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factfinder_77

(841 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:12 AM Apr 2016

Sanders Free College Tuition Plan Is All a Lie

If someone is offering you something for free, you better read the fine print.

Yeah, it’ll be free if the governors of America put in about $28 billion..

And that will never happen.

So basically he has no plan to get the funding of his plan.

All a big fucking lie.



link to sanders plan is here:

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/collegeforallsummary/?inline=file


46.90 billion a year for the government

23 billion a year for the states.

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4 year bill would look like this:


200 billion for the government

69 billion for the states.
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Sanders Free College Tuition Plan Is All a Lie (Original Post) factfinder_77 Apr 2016 OP
You got my view....n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #1
Excellent satire my friend aikoaiko Apr 2016 #2
you must have missed this... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #3
Link to support claim of $28B? n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #4
Gotta a shocker fer ya-my kids already getting it azurnoir Apr 2016 #5
factfinder go find some facts. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #6
So you havent read Sandes plan..here is a link. factfinder_77 Apr 2016 #9
What is the return to the State on an educated population? peace13 Apr 2016 #12
If that logic worked mythology Apr 2016 #20
We have to move forward. peace13 Apr 2016 #24
I remember similar fits over ACA azurnoir Apr 2016 #28
Any obstructionism that begins and ends with 'there's no money' My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #7
Iraq War, War on Terror Depaysement Apr 2016 #8
To be fair, we didn't have that money.... Adrahil Apr 2016 #11
But Congress members voted to do it, right? peace13 Apr 2016 #25
Not true Depaysement Apr 2016 #31
It was bullshit, of course. Adrahil Apr 2016 #32
Agreed nt Depaysement Apr 2016 #33
He has explained the funding, very clearly. peace13 Apr 2016 #10
His plan is not build on bipartisan principles of cooperation and common ground factfinder_77 Apr 2016 #19
Now it's the plan? peace13 Apr 2016 #21
ObamaCare is a lie? Free K-12 is a lie? jfern Apr 2016 #13
As opposed to the average annual cost for incarceration?---which was 39 billion in 2010! Petrushka Apr 2016 #14
But,but,but...prison is an industry! peace13 Apr 2016 #22
No need for you to worry about it. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #15
Let's not change anything...Keep college as expensive as possible. Armstead Apr 2016 #16
The Hillary Cult of Personality jpb33 Apr 2016 #17
Bernie's lips are moving. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #18
Gotta love Democrats who carry the water for Republicans WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #23
Then people won't send their children to those schools. Sweet Freedom Apr 2016 #26
Not exactly his plan, keep telling that lie though angrychair Apr 2016 #27
I've been saying that for a while... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #29
You do realize that states spend money on public universities and colleges. BILLIONS in fact! Skwmom Apr 2016 #30

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. Gotta a shocker fer ya-my kids already getting it
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:18 AM
Apr 2016

it under a plan that closely resembles Obama's plan for wait for it -free collage tuition (interestingly when Obama it was GOOD but Bernie says it BAAAAAD can't happen) but I digress - yes there are caveats- he has to maintain a certain grade level and do some volunteer work that's it but I see now a dayz the audacity of nope has taken hold so-back to you

 

factfinder_77

(841 posts)
9. So you havent read Sandes plan..here is a link.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:34 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/collegeforallsummary/?inline=file

Today, total uition at public colleges and universites amounts to about 70 billion a year
Under the college for all act, the federal government would cover 67 % of this cost, while the
states would be responsible for the remaining 33 % of the cost.


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46.90 billion a year for the government

23 billion a year for the states.

---

4 year bill would look like this:


200 billion for the government

69 billion for the states.




 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
12. What is the return to the State on an educated population?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:53 AM
Apr 2016

Higher income tax revenue, a better draw from corporations in need of educated workers and the list goes on and on. The States are already in the education business and can absorb some of that. The balance is a deposit on our future. We have to face the fact that the middle class has been denuded and folks can no longer mortgage the house to put the kids through school. Something has got to give!

I can understand the frustration. My son is finished with school and we have paid off the last of the loans. Why should others get it for free? Because this is the only way we are going to keep people working and if there is no job force there is no Social Security or Medicare and when those things go we are all in a big pile of trouble! If we want to solve our problems like pollution, renewable energy and cure the crazy things that are killing us we better get the young people educated!

Actually I think the 200 billion comes from a tax on Wall Street transactions. In our best day we couldn't fight a war for69 billion.

My best to you! I hope we can all work this out!

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
20. If that logic worked
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

states would have funded the ACA and medicare expansions.

We have some states that have leadership that is unfortunately immune to logic.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
24. We have to move forward.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:44 AM
Apr 2016

States who refuse will pay the cost with less opportunity for their citizens. As people move out along with industry,the states will come on board. People in states without ACA are feeling the repercussions.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
8. Iraq War, War on Terror
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:32 AM
Apr 2016

The Magic Christian found a way to fund these catastrophes with ease.

Sometimes facts are hard to find and the lie is in the fable about the lie.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
25. But Congress members voted to do it, right?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:46 AM
Apr 2016

Well some of them. We can only have wars, have you noticed? That is a problem.

Depaysement

(1,835 posts)
31. Not true
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

Congress was told that the Iraq War would pay for itself. That was the neocon mantra, as expressed by Wolfowitz. It was a bright, shining lie and no one except the taxpayer and thousands of American soldiers paid for that lie.

Magically, hundreds of billions were found for the War on Terror. Few cared about the expense.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
32. It was bullshit, of course.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

Typical conservative crap.... we can cut taxes AND fight an expensive war. What could go wrong?

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
10. He has explained the funding, very clearly.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:36 AM
Apr 2016

We can quibble about the word free and obviously everyone will not go to college because some are gifted in other areas. Know that this plan will require hard work and commitment on the part of the student to be sure.

What about this bothers you?

 

factfinder_77

(841 posts)
19. His plan is not build on bipartisan principles of cooperation and common ground
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:15 AM
Apr 2016

No doubt about it, we need to reform the education system . But any plan set forth by the next president, bust me based on common ground and have a realistic founding.
His plan is a fairytale story.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
21. Now it's the plan?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:34 AM
Apr 2016

You have to start somewhere. It is so easy to sit and shoot something down. Please tell me Hillary's plan for financing education. Fairytale story...very nice. I could say something here that will do us no good. Have a nice day!

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
22. But,but,but...prison is an industry!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:38 AM
Apr 2016

There are some very wealthy people whose livelihoods depend on keeping the super ones locked up! Actually, thanks for this information! We have money for prisons and war and that's pretty much it!

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
23. Gotta love Democrats who carry the water for Republicans
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

Not only do Republicans get a shit ton of what they want for free, our idiotic government subsidizes them in one way or another. But when a true Progressive says kids shouldn't begin their adult life $20-100,000 in debt, a bunch of Democrats stand up for banksters.

Fucking never thought I'd see this at DU. Hillary supporters have a bankrupt set of values.

Sweet Freedom

(3,995 posts)
26. Then people won't send their children to those schools.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:49 AM
Apr 2016

I may be wrong but it doesn't sound like an all-or-nothing plan. If a state doesn't participate, they don't reap the benefits. And parents can then send their kids to whichever college they can afford in another state.

We need to do something about the cost of college because it's absolutely ridiculous. And I'm speaking as a parent who is looking at a $57,000 bill for my child's FIRST year of college. And even with academic scholarships, grants and student loans, I still have to take out a $20,000 loan just for the first year. I'm not the only parent experiencing this.

Democrats should be supporting some type of reform and we need to start somewhere. None of us is thinking that this is a guaranteed done deal. But I would much rather start with a big idea that can be negotiated and still net some positive results, instead of starting small or doing nothing.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
27. Not exactly his plan, keep telling that lie though
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:55 AM
Apr 2016

Here is his plan:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/its-time-to-make-college-tuition-free-and-debt-free/


Do you have an equal level of concern of how Clinton will achieve her "free" college goal????

Never thought I'd see the day that Democrats would be the mouthpieces, parroting teapublican "free stuff" memes.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
29. I've been saying that for a while...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:13 AM
Apr 2016

and I've yet to hear a solid explanation as to how the states are going to fall into line, other than "because they will". Since it didn't work with Medicaid, which was even cheaper for them, there's absolutely no reason to think this would ever fly.

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