2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBringing us Together: Hillary Clinton Aide Tells Journalist: F**k Bernie Sanders
Reflecting on Clinton's double-digit victory, the anonymous senior aide told Politico: "We kicked ass tonight," adding, I hope this convinces Bernie to tone it down. If not, fuck him.
Late last month, the Clinton campaign delayed signing on to debate Sanders in Brooklyn, New York, saying they would consider adding the event if the Vermont senator changed his "tone."
The dig was a stark departure from the Democratic race's generally diplomatic rules of engagement. After months of amicably agreeing to disagree, the claws came out while campaigning in New York, Clinton's adopted home state and Sanders' birthplace.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-thrush-clinton-aide-fck-bernie
djean111
(14,255 posts)"uniting".
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Bernie is probably going to lose all five states next Tuesday and then his campaign will become a sideshow act if it even continues. He would be a dunce not to tone it down starting now.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)So if Trump says "Fuck Hillary"in the fall, you'll be fine with it? UNACCEPTABLE STATEMENT!
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)His full-on negative campaign, the one that he pledged NOT to run, doesn't seem to be working out that well.
Real Democratic voters aren't dumb. They know what his half-truths and ill-advised innuendos will do to Dem chances in November, if he's foolhardy enough to continue with them.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Dont get in the gutter with the Clinton campaign. Dont act like a 12 year old and call him/her a dick, as some do.
Tell Hillary what you think by giving Bernie a donation: berniesanders.com/
$5, $10, whatever you can. $5 speaks a lot louder than this persons words.
We hear the Clinton campaign loud and clear. And we dont forget. That cowardly senior aide should identify himself or herself. I assume this is Hillarys view. So be it.
The arrogance and dishonesty of that campaign offends many. It offends the hell out of me. Change our tone? Release the damn transcripts! Come clean, Hillary!
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/20/1517993/-Bernie-Fundraiser-in-Honor-of-Clinton-Senior-Aide-Tone-it-down-If-not-f-him
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)That sexist man! We demand an apology! You see how hateful Berine is? Blah, Blah, Blah......
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)HILLARY'S CAMPAIGN, of course. Is Bernie a Quaker, who is never to fight back?
You guys can dish it out, but not take it. Hillary is ALWAYS the victim when attacked!
all american girl
(1,788 posts)Hmmmm, exactly the same and the candidate himself sating at a big rally.
I can play telephone, also...
frylock
(34,825 posts)I've never seen people get so bent over something as innocuous as that statement was.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Never seen a bigger bunch of hypocrites.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)But it's the people she chooses to surround herself with that really give me pause.
jfern
(5,204 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)It's also a STUPID strategy to bring people together as this winds down.
randome
(34,845 posts)And be sure to give equal time to crap Sanders and his supporters say. Clinton isn't qualified to be President. She's rigging the vote! She can't be trusted! She can't win! Clinton supporters suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. Clinton supporters are only part of the elite!
Notice a pattern there?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)This is an actual aide of Hillary. Take your medicine and enjoy it.
Arneoker
(375 posts)Yes, this guy is a jerk, he should have kept his profane feelings to himself. But there are jerks on both sides. You can certainly find plenty of Bernie supporters considerably more nasty, especially on internet forums.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I hear a lot of them moaning in the background... "Oh!... Stop! Bernie!!!"
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)But the sentiment is correct. Bernie cannot win. If he cannot get his ego around the fact he lost, well....
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)interesting you only go so far with what he stated was 'inappropriate, if someone would have stated the same about someone you support would you state the same as you did here with this reply?
I would suspect we would be having a much different convo...
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)However, like I said, it's time for Sanders to go back to a campaign not focused on ripping up Clinton. It won't matter soon anyway. If the polls are right about Tuesday, his campaign will fade into irrelevance. He can go put classy, or he can go out an asshole. It's up to him. I think he is a decent person, and won't go full asshole.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)"go back to a campaign not focused on ripping up Clinton"
Telling the truth as it concerns her association and closed door speeches to WS elite?
the 'ripping' as you reply is telling the truth, I see you equate 'truth' with 'ripping', good to know how you frame things...
"his campaign will fade into irrelevance"
Really? I see you discount the underlying movement supporting Bernie as 'irrelevant' since the main reason he's gained so much so quickly is due to this movement which you clearly discount and disregard
This is the main point concerning HRC and her supporters, this air of establishment ownership of candidacy, that any challenge is to be regarded as you have shown here with this reply...
And HRC supporters question why people wouldn't fall into line to vote for her if she were to win the nomination...
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)No one said that.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)The aide said it.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The actual quote is listed in the first paragraph of the article and it's not that.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)Seriously, it's a campaign, people say thing...an unnamed Clinton aide...really, you've got the vapors over this?
But you are all fine with Bernie's campaign manager saying, on national TV, they are going to try and take the nom away from Hillary, even if she has more delegates than him. That's A-OK.
Sorry my outrage meter can't be pushed to 11 for this.
Arneoker
(375 posts)Believe me, I've had it much higher on a lot of other things.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)but right now, I'm in bed sick and grumpy...hopefully tomorrow will be a new day.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)Thanks for your contribution.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)You're welcome.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I don't like hides but this is an online community and the community through its collective wisdom has the right to censor and censure that which they find inappropriate.
But people say "f--k that guy" in private. I am not going to get the vapors over it. If the person said "f--k Bernie" for public attribution I would join the seminal poster in condemning it.
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Honestly, the jury system is completely messed up.
I've had one alert which led to a deserved hide in all of my 12 years. Again, not disputing it. But I've seen things hidden that I can't for the life of me understand why. They fit within standard everyday posting here at DU. But again, F is F, and if we're going to let it stand one way in the primary season it should go any way.
For the record, it is perception. I've seen what I consider far worse than the f word lobbed, against both candidates. Things tend to get hidden in favor of HRC but not for Bernie these days. It is what it is. But it's noticed. For what it's worse, I don't find the f word the least bit offense, but I live up in the Chicago region, and it's pretty much part of our every day. I'd still send my kid to his room for it. And expect a teacher to run him to the office of he dared, but that's respect earned. Different context and use.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)oh wait:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5947580
" Fuck $hillary."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11878207#post24
"Fuck Hillary!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280159441#post1
"On the other hand, fuck Hillary Clinton and all of her obstinate corporatist supporters. "
Well, these are just people on DU expressing their own opinions, but then again, there:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110794102
"The Hillary Watch List was posted on March 12, 2016 under the following tags: FeeltheBern, Watching You and Fuck Hillary.
Personally, I'm going to abstain from going that route of childish insults myself. I agree with the notion that it is a very unprofessional thing to say, especially in the primary from a supporter of one candidate about the others.
However, let's also be clear, this is not one-sided lobbing of crappy insults.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Because, reasons...
And there's more of us here to pretend it didn't happen that way.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)I want to see some groveling.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Today's "enemy" is the person watching your back. Learn the lesson well, and treat them with respect if you don't want them to stab you in it instead, as the conquered do when they revolt against their conquerors.
The only way to "win" hearts and minds is to make things BETTER than they were before.
Mistaking Conan movies as civics lessons is ... Not wise.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And this isn't a democracy, even in theory. In actuality this is a representative republic, meaning we elect people to make important decisions for us.
Mistaking political rhetoric for civics lessons is ... not wise. Not wise at all.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The losers have to accept & acknowledge that the winners have won, otherwise the losers won't have a voice at the table when decisions are made about the issues they care about.
Do you want to have a voice at that table discussing those issues? Or do you want preserve your false purity & be on the outside looking in?
Human101948
(3,457 posts)The Democratic wing of the Democratic Party will once again be roaming the desert.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)The Sanders people are the insurgent outsiders, remember.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)The rest of us proles have been out in the cold for decades now.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)And people who have voted for Democrats against Republicans for decades.
You're thinking of "independents" who think of party affiliation as a fashion statement, and think Trump is better than Clinton & just as good as Sanders.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)As politicians affiliated with Third Way hasten to distance themselves from the op-ed, the question remains: Why are Democrats affiliated with a group which works so strenuously to gut Democratic programs? Voters deserve more than platitudes from these politicians. They deserveclear answers about the issues...
This is not an inside baseball story about politics. Its a battle for party control whose outcome could affect every household in the country. If this quarrel is to be remembered and its incumbent upon genuine progressives to make sure that it is it should be remembered as an attempt by a the corporate class to retain control of the Democratic Party and limit the leftmost limits of political and economic debate.
One of this factions key goals is to roll back three of the Democratic Partys signature achievements: Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. It is a measure of their power and influence that theyve been able to get so many Democratic politicians to support Social Security cuts when public opinion is so strongly against them. (This poll even shows that large majorities would pay more in payroll taxes in return for stronger Social Security benefits.)
...a corporate-backed faction which has tried to keep the leftmost limits of debate very much in hand and under tight control. It has done so with striking success for decades, thanks in large part to its ability to influence politicians like Presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/the-democrats-third-way-q_b_4410394.html
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)so grovel for me baldguy.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,181 posts)I want to see groveling. I want to see the victors steal their women and molest their horses. I want to see the pissants ground into the earth from whence they came. I want to see the pathetic losers forced to stand in the town square while the victors make fun of their haircuts. I want to see the losers' underwear filled with guacamole.
Right now, though, I don't see EITHER side in much of a groveling mood. Or allowing their underwear to be filled with guacamole, for that matter.
mythology
(9,527 posts)You don't tell the media what you really think in that situation.
But also the title doesn't quite match article as it leaves out the clauses. It's not fuck Sanders in general, it's a specific circumstances. That said, it was stupid to say out loud as it just makes the aide look like an ass.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and only now your dainty sensibilities are offended? You'd better sack up...
Human101948
(3,457 posts)I am highly offended!
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)I'm really really sorry! I'm so sorry! I'm not really sorry! Haha!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)said the same thing about Hillary?
All HELL would rain down.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Presses do not stop.