HRC supporters say he has not accomplished anything as a senator anyway so why do u want him to stay as a senator? And I don't want him to leave office out of spite, I want him to leave office bcuz he has done all he can from that position and he can do much more from the outside. I know HRC supporters such as yourself are afraid of Bernie continuing his movement past the primaries.

I do not know what practicality you are talking about. To me it is perfectly practical for him to lead his movement and do something different. The parties are too corrupt for one man to change from the inside and he can do this by leading and growing this new movement he has started.

Butt once again a Hillary supporter just shrugs off or insults those with reasonable opinions because they are afraid of Bernie and his ideas.

I am not a Clinton supporter, and in fact voted for Sanders, but I still really dislike and don't trust him. Just not as much as Clinton.

Soon as the election is over, check that, soon as the dem convention is over and Clinton is nominated, Sanders' supporters and his movement will evaporate.

It would be nice if such a thing happened and they worked to get progressives elected in 2018, but that needs to happen now in 2016. That seems to be too much work though as many of the folks at the huge rallies, most recently in New York, don't turn out and vote so participating in a movement that includes more than going to a see-and-be-seen rally is probably not going to happen. Plus, most people have jobs and school and families and bills to pay.

And we've seen this before with Occupy, that dissolved too.

I say to Bernie, don't quit your day job.

I actually hope I'm wrong.

as they were during Dr. King's time.

Since when are they part of Sanders' movement?

They've had to wake him and his crowd up to AA issues.

which implied that lives were no longer still on the line as they were back when MLK was alive.

not the other people you mentioned.

that implied that lives being at stake was no longer the case.

Now, I done with you. Have a good evening.

Black lives were at stake then, not other lives, just as it is today. Now do you understand?

Thousands of people are dying annually for reasons directly related to economic injustice, environmental degradation, and other ramifications of oligarchic control of our political and economic systems. This isn't one whit less urgent than things were in the 60's.

against the Democratic Incumbent years ago. Well things are different now. You've got the numbers, but you're tooo spread out. Move to Vermont. You could raise taxes and reinstate Single-Payer Healthcare. Increase municipal fines and fees.

After the 2020 census you could possibly get 2 more Congressional seats.

another one of Hillary supporters go to lines. How is it sexist to say she dresses similar to someone else? Ok maybe I will just stick to the type of politician she is. Ok here it goes. Hillary's authoritarianism is similar to Mao's approach. That is not sexist, so I hope I have your forgiveness and i think u owe me an apology.

... for replying to a Bernie supporter who snarked that he'd be going for Kim Jong Un's endorsement with "wouldn't surprise me" and it was MY comment that got hid even though he was the one who compared him to the North Korean leader, so if that got me hid, yours definitely should get you hid. Then again, this whole jury system is messed up anyway.

You're just hurt because people aren't taking your post seriously. Why would they? If I were a Bernie supporter and wanted him to develop his own platform, I certainly wouldn't want him giving up one of the most powerful positions in America.

But it wasn't sexist. Are you guys just going to keep using that term until it loses all meaning?

Just a keyword thrown out, that's all

have the audacity to have a pic of Ali, I wonder what Hillary thought when she was a Goldwater girl of Ali's refusal to go to Vietnam plus his protests against the government. Would she have called him an angry black man or just a super predator.

Stupidest fucking thing I have read all morning.

so stop saying that.

but I will now. Thanks

another neoliberal who has the audacity to call himself democrat. My guess is you prefer Bill Clinton to FDR and Reagan to TR.

BTW, yeah a left wing Tea party because the Tea PArty and FDR dems have so much in common.

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So while you try and ding someone, you actually highlight your lack of political knowledge.


The Republican and Democratic parties were realigning from the 1870s to the mid-1930s.

The main thrust came with Coolidge, in the 1920s, coming close to the current state of the parties.



Teddy Roosevelt's Osawatomie speech, was so powerful and Democratic, that Obama gave a speech honoring its anniversary.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/06/remarks-president-economy-osawatomie-kansas

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/12/06/archives-president-teddy-roosevelts-new-nationalism-speech



Poor confused Obama, giving a speech honoring "Republican" ideas.



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the poster used a comparison between two republicans in challenging another poster's party affiliation.

(see how I did that without a personal insult)

enjoy your sophomoric delusions

as well as a serious gap in political history

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I'm a staunch Democrat and a political neutral who will support the Democratic nominee in the GE, no matter who.

Just because someone disagrees with your position, does not make them an elite or a BB, it just makes you wrong!


I like how you thow in that BB as some kind of dig, confirming that you do attempt to denigrate whenever possible.


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was not about the people being taxed too much, it was about The Indian Tea Company (corporation) getting special treatment not having to pay tariffs, giving the British owned company (Probably run a Clinton) an unfair advantage over the people from 'the Colony' (Americans.)

They were 'feeling the burn' so to speak

of course he will endorse Hillary - and actively work for her.

and no, he will not be giving up that senate seat.

It's so telling that the "revolution" has migrated into a "movement" - isn't it. "Movement" is a stretch, but "revolution" was comical. Showing up a rallies, sitting behind a keyboard, and forgetting to vote is hardly what revolutions are made of.

But continue to send in the $27 contributions.

really do fear Bernie, don't you all. Hillary supporters just want him to quit the race and never to be heard from again. You all fear what he has started and that people are starting to see that the dem party is no longer the dem party it once was, but it is now the Clinton/Reagan party.

Hillary supporters have now been shown to be nothing but Reagan republicans in democratic clothing

Yes, he has the names and contact information of millions. Yes, it would be disappointing to see another reform effort dissolve with the end of a reformer's campaign.

Yes, the mid-term elections are the next place where there should be a push to run candidates who share the interest with Sanders and the millions of people who have backed him. Win or lose the citizens of the US need elected officials serving the needs of the people more than the greed of big money donors.

But I don't see why he can't remain a senator. The movement will need organization and that will mean many people must be invoved besides Sanders. Shared message is probably the most important thing to stitch people together, that always has been among populist movements. So it needs some think-tankers and some communications people, aiming messages at lawmakers and at voters. It needs not only general issues to consider, but it needs to push actionable ideas among lawmakers and the general public. It needs to identify races for targeting and suitable candidates to run in those races...and it probably needs to run basic training about campaign organizing for both new candidates and rookie leadership volunteers/staff.

That's a bid job that will involve lots of people. But Sanders has lists of millions of supporters and scores of thousands of volunteers among which are undoubtedly very good people, and the people to whom Sanders will ultimately hand over his role.

from what I have heard - he did just fine at both.

(if she 'wins')

Besides, we Ds will have President Obama, soon free in the private sector and OMG, his voice will be very powerful when he is free to speak-out against the RW corporate beast

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I am amazed at the number of people who keep living in a fantasy world. There were 65 anti trust investigations going on in the last year of Jimmy Carter's presidency. The number for 2015 was a big fat ZERO.

complete with a Queen of Hearts.

I am part of the Left - Am I part of the corporate beast too?

Am I just a mouthpiece for a corporation when I request that working families get paid fairly? ... That they get health care and pension benefits?

I know that isn't whay you meant to say, but some precision when choosing words would go a long way towards avoiding confusion ...

"Sorry but the Democratic Party leadership and establishment Democrats are just as much a part of the corporate beast you speak of"

I say this with the sincerest respect, because I know what you meant ... Using broad based references almost always leads to sweeping generalizations ...

Enjoy your evening ...

just like the other monopolies.

I would rather have him on the inside where he sees the lobbying and the details of the legislation and can publicize the abuses by both parties. His floor speeches will get a lot more attention with his increased visibility than they ever did in the past. He can do his job in the Senate (hopefully as an Independent rather than as a Democrat) and help create a 3rd party movement going forward.

TAKE the power back from these Third Wayers. Remove every Third Wayer from office. Remember that it's the corporatists who have to lie about their positions to say that they are centrists. The progressives are the moderates. The progressives have the support of Americans on policy. Expose the Third Way's lies and remove them from every office.

The New York primary has changed *nothing*. Continue to work against the "New" Democrats.

The man is not exactly endearing himself to his colleagues.

Here's what Senators who endorsed Hillary Clinton have said about Sanders:

"I love Bernie Sanders." - Al Franken
Bernie Sanders is my friend and "classmate" (entered the Senate at the same time).- Amy Klobuchar
We have two great candidates. - Tammy Baldwin

... but other groups would face direct harm if we end up with a Republican Congress and President.

in Senate is his until it comes up for election again. And as to leading our movement - we get newsletters from elected officials all the time. All we need is communication.

NT

His history of not actually accomplishing anything will come full circle. His lack luster employment history prior to becoming a Government employee speaks for itself.

If he quits the Senate, he'll have no job, no movement, no notariety, no revolution. I think it's a grand idea!

If he's not president? I want him in the senate til he croaks! Sorry, but we need him in government, voting! Especially where the votes are counted!

Bernie is a good guy. Once he calms down, he'll be fine.

concede after CA.

There's no reason for Bernie to leave the Senate until he decides to retire.

If the Sanders campaign becomes a similar group, it can be run by Bernie Sanders' brother, or his wife, or anyone else he trusts.

NT

MoveOn & WFP could join. Along with many environmental groups & BLM. And of course, the Green Party.

Imagine the force we could be.

We could Be The Change We Wish To See.

believe Bernie Sanders is going to allow you to mess up his steady paycheck?

The House is dominated by right-wing lunatics. It is imperative that we keep every liberal senator in the Senate that we can. Others can and will do the grassroots work to support a progressive agenda, but that will go nowhere if we do not have any allies in the Senate. They need our support, not to have their ranks diminished.

if he backed Clinton

she IS part of the problem

he will though, because he is a man of his word

The guy before him was a Republican, remember

Partially due to the positive experience of being represented by Bernie Sanders.

We'll probably win the next open US Senate seat in VT.

Just asking.
I think Bernie will do what he feels best. I will back whatever he does.
I see your point though.

--more wars (Robert Kagan adviser--PNAC)
--more "regime change" in ME and LatAm (Henry Fucking Kissinger adviser)
--more "cut it outs" to Wall Street (many advisers)
--TPP (complete loss of our sovereignty)
--goosing big corps to favor us with a few jobs
--telling Big Pharma and the Biggest Insurance Scam on earth to "cut it out"
--begging big tax scofflaws to "cut it out"
--choose where frakking can continue killing our planet
--$12/hr minimum wage (ha-ha-ha, in your dreams)
--banning 3rd trimester abortions to get something from the Right (what?)

Well, I could go on. Maybe Sanders should quit the Senate. He probably won't. He wouldn't like to give up representing Vermont, I think. And the Senate does give him a platform from which to advocate for all of us and keep us informed about whatever horrible bullshit Clinton and the Pukes are cooking up. He can lead a movement from there, too. Why not? He has filibuster rights, for one thing. He can still go around speaking and can lead some big (big, big, BIG) marches on Washington. (We need to do that for our planet, you know.)

BUT WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THIS? THE PRIMARY IS NOT OVER! HE CAN STOP CLINTON FROM GETTING THE MAGIC NUMBER OF DELEGATES AND TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION. AND HE CAN STILL WIN! DO THE MATH!

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