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LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:30 AM Apr 2016

Daily Kos: Hillary's Win May Not Be All That Clear After All

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/19/1517732/-Hillary-s-Win-May-Not-Be-All-That-Clear-After-All-3-2-Million-New-Yorks-Lost-Their-Voting-Rights


Below Is a list of stories, that at the very least shows that something once again is wrong with our voting system.

First, Florida, then Ohio, then Nevada, Arizona, and now New York Will be added to the legacy list of thousands of voters, No MILLION’S of voters, not able to vote due to voter purges in New York.

This was once considered to be Republican dirty tricks...I guess the Democrats now have the same problem as well, except this time it was used on their own party.

The number that I wrote about the 126,000 people was from only 1 (ONE) county, the rest of the state had the same problems, totaling 3.2 Million Voters or 27% of the voting rolls...
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Daily Kos: Hillary's Win May Not Be All That Clear After All (Original Post) LiberalElite Apr 2016 OP
.... LexVegas Apr 2016 #1
to you I say berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #14
Lex, I am impressed by the clarity and cogency of your argument. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #33
Oh yes terribly unclear rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #2
Cheaters gotta cheat, liars gotta lie. It's almost pathological. nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #3
Pathogical is how you describe people who always look for consipiracies... Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #5
SOS Clinton swapping those FP emails w/Siddy. Running her own server to hide exactly what? nc4bo Apr 2016 #10
She began her cheating spree with the Iowa caucuses CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #26
Yup. I know people are getting frustrated with Bernie's muted response FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #31
Lather, rinse, repeat -- but stop at step two. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #4
8 hides still posting. bahrbearian Apr 2016 #13
Well, your comrade-in-arms has him beat...nine (9) hides and still counting. LOLOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #20
Yeah, how 'bout that? Courtesy of thin skins and/or swarm mentality. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #25
Ahhh . . . how would someone who allegedly disenfranchised voters know which ones were . . . brush Apr 2016 #6
voter data base and likely voter model Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #9
Wouldn't the data base just list them as a dem or a repug, meaning that some Clinton voters . . . brush Apr 2016 #12
Wasn't the Sanders campaign already utilizing the Db (adding specific Sanders supporter info)? nc4bo Apr 2016 #15
Yes. And there was a data breach so both candidates could "see" IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #17
The campaign databases have lots more data unc70 Apr 2016 #30
Strettttttttttttttttch. nt onehandle Apr 2016 #7
It's increasingly clear what happens when DINOs are given leadership positions in the Democratic Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #8
I surmise that Team Clinton caged the voters in certain sections of Brooklyn FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #11
I suppose Bernie supporters leftynyc Apr 2016 #16
I like how... JSup Apr 2016 #37
Like children leftynyc Apr 2016 #38
There was no purge. There were provisional ballots for those who were legally allowed to vote. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #18
That is proof of a purge. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #23
Elisabeth Kubler-Ross says hi. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #19
And, says her book might help with the process...LOLOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #21
this again? restorefreedom Apr 2016 #24
Stage 2 Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #28
Hillary's win is actually very clear. Progressive dog Apr 2016 #22
Yes. I've always known that if I miss too many elections my registration will lapse. brush Apr 2016 #32
The DNC has even joined the RNC on voter suppression BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #27
Bainghawzy!!!! Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #29
"Whaa, closed primaries!" I don't hear nearly the same cries about caucuses. IamMab Apr 2016 #34
If she is the nominee, I will consider that as legitimate as Bush being president, at djean111 Apr 2016 #35
Explains why after 2000 NOTHING real got done. Octafish Apr 2016 #36
I see they don't mention the incredibly undemocratic process of the caucuses.... Adrahil Apr 2016 #39
Filing this under "obvious". nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #40

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
33. Lex, I am impressed by the clarity and cogency of your argument.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

You clearly have a great deal of respect for voters.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
2. Oh yes terribly unclear
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:37 AM
Apr 2016

It's a conspiracy. Millions of votes were faked. Bernie really won. You're totally right.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
5. Pathogical is how you describe people who always look for consipiracies...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:39 AM
Apr 2016

.. to explain their failures.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
10. SOS Clinton swapping those FP emails w/Siddy. Running her own server to hide exactly what?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:52 AM
Apr 2016

That FOIA thing; did she feel she was above the law or was she that ignorant or just slick? What the fuck was she thinking?!

SOS Clinton and her Clinton Foundation quid pro quo.

That's no fucking CT talk. It's walking and talking just like a damn duck.

Too bad our media isn't interested in REAL journalism these days because it's one outrageous set of coincidental circumstances that share one common denominator.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
26. She began her cheating spree with the Iowa caucuses
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

and she hasn't stopped.

She obviously knows that she can't win unless she rigs it, in nearly every state.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
31. Yup. I know people are getting frustrated with Bernie's muted response
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

I believe he is a very astute politician and he has considered all avenues. I also believe his supporters are awaiting some indication as to what he will do. I do not accept the results of rigged elections. Just as George W Bush was a fraudulent 8 year presidency, Hillary is a fraudulent candidate.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
4. Lather, rinse, repeat -- but stop at step two.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:38 AM
Apr 2016

Repeating this fifty times a day every damned day is not useful.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
20. Well, your comrade-in-arms has him beat...nine (9) hides and still counting. LOLOL!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:35 AM
Apr 2016


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Astonishingly prolific poster and offender, heh?

What say we try to avoid double standards.

brush

(53,778 posts)
6. Ahhh . . . how would someone who allegedly disenfranchised voters know which ones were . . .
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:39 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders voters or Clinton voters.

I heard people talk about going to vote only to find they were no longer on the voter list. I've live and voted in New York, Nevada and California. I've always known that I can't skip too many elections if I want to keep my registration current.

I wonder if that is part of the problem, not to mention the independents trying to vote for Sanders in a closed primary.

brush

(53,778 posts)
12. Wouldn't the data base just list them as a dem or a repug, meaning that some Clinton voters . . .
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:55 AM
Apr 2016

would also be deleted?

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
15. Wasn't the Sanders campaign already utilizing the Db (adding specific Sanders supporter info)?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:02 AM
Apr 2016

I cant recall all the details and cant use my computer to pull up old links.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
17. Yes. And there was a data breach so both candidates could "see"
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

the other side's "confidential" data. The BERNIE side reported it multiple times; the HILLARY side did not. The BERNIE side began testing and documenting -- when they TURNED THAT IN, they were accused of having CHEATED and DENIED ACCESS UNTIL THEY SUED.

The logic of having TURNED THE EVIDENCE AGAINST THEMSELVES IN TO PROVE THEIR WAS A BREACH was "flipped" in the Hillary supporter camp as "look, they cheated because they could see the data".

I do not believe that lawsuit was dropped, but I would bet that any records validating downloads of "Bernie" information by "not Bernie people" was cleaned up.

An interesting test would be for the Bernie people to compare who they contacted (verified Registered Democrats, per the DNC last summer) versus "proven recently purged voters".

unc70

(6,114 posts)
30. The campaign databases have lots more data
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

If one is willing to pay, you can have enormous number of details about someone from: voter roles and voter history, DMV, tax records, FEC donations, Post Office, public records, magazine subscriptions, credit reporting companies, online tracking, ad servers, etc.

A selective purge could be very effective with little effort. FL was using some of these techniques. Remember that you don't want to be 100% accurate, that would be too obvious. Just a few extra here, there, and everywhere.

BTW the DU site includes considerable tracking facilities, much of it associated with serving ads. In the industry, this is called web analytics. In the most aggressive versions, they are tracking key clicks and key presses. In those cases, they look identical to spyware and other malware.

Bottom line, it's all out there on the net. BTW Google probably knows the most about everyone. They are everywhere.

BTW the polling companies that supply the lists of "random" phone numbers probably know what the results will be for a given number before it is called.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
8. It's increasingly clear what happens when DINOs are given leadership positions in the Democratic
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:41 AM
Apr 2016

party: it morphs into a shadow of the former Republican Party.

Debbie, your objectives are showing. All hail the Goldwater Gril!

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
11. I surmise that Team Clinton caged the voters in certain sections of Brooklyn
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:53 AM
Apr 2016

for example, I understand that an entire building of residents was disenfranchised(?). I bet the purge did not touch the more affluent sections of Brooklyn. Bet on it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. I suppose Bernie supporters
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:06 AM
Apr 2016

need to hang their hat on some conspiracy for why their candidate can't get the lead in popular vote or pledged delegates. So off to conspiracy theory land where it could be divined exactly which buildings and neighborhoods would vote for Bernie (perhaps the stupidest argument I've heard to date). Whatever.

JSup

(740 posts)
37. I like how...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:42 AM
Apr 2016

...they don't even wait for proof or an investigation to conclude before they start saying it happened just like they think it did. Speculation stated as fact is always disturbing.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
38. Like children
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

They just can't accept that not everybody thinks the way they do. It's juvenile behavior that gets under my skin more than it really should.

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
22. Hillary's win is actually very clear.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:39 AM
Apr 2016

Voter rolls are purged regularly of voters who have died, moved, or missed enough elections. That is by law. Votes are "suppressed" to prevent fraud. The "suppression" is not done by the state of NY, it is a county issue.
It would be a unimaginably stupid campaign that worked to remove it's own voters from the rolls. Once they are "suppressed", they have to re-register to vote in the general election. Exit polls showed that more than 80% of Democrats would vote for either candidate in the general election.
The only advantage to be gained by either Hillary or Bernie is a controversy, to be used in dishonest fund raising and advertising campaigns.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
27. The DNC has even joined the RNC on voter suppression
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:55 AM
Apr 2016

Only a few social issues left to go before they're in complete agreement.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
34. "Whaa, closed primaries!" I don't hear nearly the same cries about caucuses.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:27 AM
Apr 2016

Even though caucuses suppress the vote far worse than any closed primary ever could. Sanders supporters should take their obvious hypocrisy and sit on it.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
36. Explains why after 2000 NOTHING real got done.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

Explains why after 2004 NOTHING real got done.

Explains why after 2008 NOTHING real got done.

Explains why after 2012 NOTHING real got done.

Except for the super-rich who became much, much richer.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
39. I see they don't mention the incredibly undemocratic process of the caucuses....
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:45 AM
Apr 2016

I wonder why that could be?

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