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David Plouffe: The Sanders Campaign is a Fraud (Original Post) firebrand80 Apr 2016 OP
I want Bernie to keep his message out there til the convention riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #1
He's right. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #2
I'd like to see him prove it. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #3
Thank heavens Uponthegears Apr 2016 #4
But a neocon masquerading as a progressive isn't? Karmadillo Apr 2016 #5
I'd say Hillary is the fraud, see: Sid, Foundation, Libya, lying to the president. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #34
Shut your yapper David Plouffe CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #6
I don't care if he stays in. moriah Apr 2016 #8
Much ado about nothing CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #12
The controversy is well explained by HuffPo. It's called hypocrisy. moriah Apr 2016 #13
There is no controversy CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #14
If you think calls to overcome the wil of the voters is manufactured controversy.... moriah Apr 2016 #21
How is the "will of the voters" not being followed? CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #24
Were you even here in 2008? moriah Apr 2016 #32
+1! nt IamMab Apr 2016 #26
To Plouffe I say... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #7
There is a candidate whose description matches up MUCH more closely with this and it is not Sanders. nc4bo Apr 2016 #9
Hilarious! This POS is Uber's well paid misinformation noise machine. Everything he does is WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #10
Plouffe, a supporter and noise maker for the sharing economy pinebox Apr 2016 #11
this would be the same Uber that Sanders takes nearly 100 percent of the time dsc Apr 2016 #23
To which I respond... MattSh Apr 2016 #27
If Uber is so bad, that mere lobbying for them is a sign dsc Apr 2016 #31
Not when there's a good chance of Hillary being indicted. n/t Dawgs Apr 2016 #15
Plouffe approved of Obama's hiring of anti gay hate preachers and 'ex gay' evangelists in 2008 Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #16
Do you remember how the Obama campaign responded then, QC Apr 2016 #18
I think that was Plouffe. He got lots of money for doing that, and he's a very smug man. Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #19
It does sound like him, what with the smugness and the utterly sociopathic QC Apr 2016 #22
Pouffe told Hillary to drop out in February 2008: Blue Meany Apr 2016 #17
It's almost May. grossproffit Apr 2016 #25
Hillary is a fraud by pretending she's anything but a right-wing corporatist. Broward Apr 2016 #20
I know exactly what I am doing contributing to Bernie. pangaia Apr 2016 #28
Perhaps Plouffe should invest in a dictionary. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #29
Bernie jcgoldie Apr 2016 #30
that will help unite the party for sure Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #33
I wondered about that. Now he's just selling snake oil. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #35
 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
1. I want Bernie to keep his message out there til the convention
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:07 AM
Apr 2016

I'll keep contributing for that with conviction.

Not fraud to me.

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
4. Thank heavens
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:14 AM
Apr 2016

Our President didn't rely on Plouffe's math skills.

A McCain or Romney presidency would have been a disaster.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
34. I'd say Hillary is the fraud, see: Sid, Foundation, Libya, lying to the president.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

not answering questions on climate, or just saying fracking is a bridge, not answering on soc sec. She says nothing. Only defense. That is a losing campaign. She is a crook. Where did I hear that?

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
6. Shut your yapper David Plouffe
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:19 AM
Apr 2016

We'll see what happens, won't we?

We want Bernie in. We demand that Bernie stays in.

We understand what the numbers are. We understand what the reality is. Do you? Of course you do. That's why you want us out.

What's most important to Sanders supporters is that Sanders stays in the race.

Since NY--I donated to the Sanders campaign twice. I donated once, then went back again and donated again and set up reoccurring, monthly payments.

Sanders must stay in.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
8. I don't care if he stays in.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:23 AM
Apr 2016

I do care that after months of bitching about Superdelegates overturning the Will of the Democratic Electorate, that Jeff Weaver mouths off on CNN about trying to get the Superdelegates to overturn said Will, just because the voters didn't buy his message.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/19/sanders_campaigns_weaver_race_will_be_determined_by_superdelegates_not_pledged_delegates.html

[div class="excerpt"[WEAVER: I don't think that that's the case. Look, we're going to go to the convention. It is extremely unlikely that either candidate will have the requisite number of pledged delegates to get to this number, right?

So it's going to be an election determined by the superdelegates. And superdelegates are largely elected officials, party leaders…

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
12. Much ado about nothing
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:41 AM
Apr 2016

Weaver said that it is likely that neither candidate will hit the magic number (2,382) with pledged delegates. And that it will be up to the Superdelegates. Therefore the Sanders campaign will attempt to lobby them to Sander's side.

Oh the horrors!!!!

Um, there is no controversy here. What in the hell is the big deal?

The same thing is happening on the Republican side.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
14. There is no controversy
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:48 AM
Apr 2016

But there is a lot of manufactured controversy that is being disseminated by the Clinton camp.

We've got all kinds of hair-on-fire bullshit coming out from Clinton mouthpieces this morning. Gotta gin up some controversy!

Because that's what they do. It's who they are.

These theatrics are dumb.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
21. If you think calls to overcome the wil of the voters is manufactured controversy....
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

.... you need a self-imposed cool-down period for yourself while you rethink the principles of our Democracy.

Obama had the slenderest lead in the pledged delegates. And Hillary's campaign staff was rightly criticized for suggesting using the Supers to "steal" the election.

Bernie needs to reign Weaver in, NOW.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
24. How is the "will of the voters" not being followed?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

This is my understanding of what he said.

IF neither candidate--Hillary or Bernie--has the "magic number" (2,382) to secure a win with pledged delegates--then the Superdelegates will decide it.

So...naturally, the Sanders campaign will lobby the Superdelegates if both candidates are under 2,382 pledged delegates. Hillary will be doing the same thing!

I don't see the problem. I don't see the big deal.

What exactly is the problem here???

moriah

(8,311 posts)
32. Were you even here in 2008?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

Or politically aware????

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008

Only when Obama got the pledged delegate lead did Supers switch to him. Hillary did not lobby to overturn the eventual decision the DNC made about Michigan and Florida seating giving him having more pledged delegates, and the Superdelegates followed the pledged delegates.

That's how it's supposed to go.

If you think she should have not conceded, and went all the way to the Convention, convincing people she should have won, you're wrong.

And at the Convention, she stopped the roll call at New York because there were rumors that people wanted to show that she had more than just the number with the Superdelegates who flipped and followed the Pledged delegates.

She was a stateswoman, while Jeff Weaver's proposals are to attempt to steal the election even if they don't get the majority of pledged delegates.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
9. There is a candidate whose description matches up MUCH more closely with this and it is not Sanders.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:25 AM
Apr 2016

Sorry Dave, you chose poorly.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
10. Hilarious! This POS is Uber's well paid misinformation noise machine. Everything he does is
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

fraudulent. He says they're not an illegal taxi company and lies about background checks and passenger safety. You should see all the lawsuits filed against Uber, from their drivers, to their passengers, to states and municipalities.

Who listens to this fuck stick? Ah, 5 people here, I see.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
11. Plouffe, a supporter and noise maker for the sharing economy
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:39 AM
Apr 2016

who by definition is a neocon.

And there is this. Oh how the apple doesn't fall from the tree. The irony, it hurts.

Plouffe has drawn criticism for his paid speaking engagements abroad while on hiatus from advising Obama. In early 2009, Plouffe spoke in Baku, Azerbaijan, for $50,000. The event's sponsor had ties to Azerbaijan's authoritarian government. Following complaints from human rights groups, Plouffe donated his speaking fees to the National Democratic Institute.

In December 2010, Plouffe received $100,000 for two speeches in Nigeria from an affiliate of the South African telecommunications company MTN Group. At the time, MTN had been doing business with the government of Iran since 2005. Recently, MTN has come under increased scrutiny by the United States for allegations that the Iranian government used the MTN network to track and monitor dissidents. MTN has been listed on the "Iran Business Registry" of watchdog group United Against Nuclear Iran since 2009.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Plouffe

dsc

(52,162 posts)
23. this would be the same Uber that Sanders takes nearly 100 percent of the time
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

and which was defended here just days ago when it came out Sanders does that.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
31. If Uber is so bad, that mere lobbying for them is a sign
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

you are not progressive, then why isn't using it exclusively a similar sign. And why isn't defending such use a similar sign?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. Plouffe approved of Obama's hiring of anti gay hate preachers and 'ex gay' evangelists in 2008
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:59 AM
Apr 2016

to bait and hate their way to victory. I have scant respect for him because of those ugly tactics, actions he has never apologized for. I assume his verbiage is motivated by bias in the same way that his choices of anti gay speakers in 08 was a function of his bias and willingness to trade in bigotry.

QC

(26,371 posts)
18. Do you remember how the Obama campaign responded then,
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016

when asked if there would be an apology for sending Donnie "Gays Are Vampires Who Want Your Children" McClurkin to stir up the fundamentalists in South Carolina?

"We got what we needed out of it."

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
17. Pouffe told Hillary to drop out in February 2008:
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

"This is a wide, wide lead right now…I am amused when the Clinton campaign continues to say: Well, it’s essentially a tie. I mean that’s just lunacy...We have opened up a big and meaningful pledged delegate lead. They are going to have to win landslides from here on out to erase it.”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/20/obama-adviser-our-campaign-has-a-wide-wide-lead/comment-page-7/

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
28. I know exactly what I am doing contributing to Bernie.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:29 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary's stated reasons for running are a fraud. So... there you have it.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
29. Perhaps Plouffe should invest in a dictionary.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:30 AM
Apr 2016

First look-up: "fraud."

Oh, and welcome to Ignore for posting that steaming load of RW propaganda.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
30. Bernie
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:43 AM
Apr 2016

I've had nothing bad to say about Sanders this entire cycle. I voted for HRC in Illinois but it was a tough choice for me. There's a lot I like about his ideas. I've allowed myself to enter into some mostly unproductive debates here on GDP over what I saw as unfair criticism of Clinton. He may be jumping the shark for me with the recent BS about flipping superdelegates because he can't win a majority of elected delegates. That reeks of hypocrisy especially given that his own campaign criticized the undemocratic nature of the system before he fell so far behind late in the game. I have no issue with him staying in the race to spread his message and affect the democratic platform as much as possible and give voters in the remaining states an opportunity to be heard, but at this point I'll lose a lot of respect for him if he continues to tear down the eventual nominee or insist on the "flipping superdelegates".

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