2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDavid Plouffe: The Sanders Campaign is a Fraud
https://twitter.com/davidplouffe/status/722894398086713347
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I'll keep contributing for that with conviction.
Not fraud to me.
LexVegas
(6,063 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)What baseless slime.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Our President didn't rely on Plouffe's math skills.
A McCain or Romney presidency would have been a disaster.
Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)not answering questions on climate, or just saying fracking is a bridge, not answering on soc sec. She says nothing. Only defense. That is a losing campaign. She is a crook. Where did I hear that?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)We'll see what happens, won't we?
We want Bernie in. We demand that Bernie stays in.
We understand what the numbers are. We understand what the reality is. Do you? Of course you do. That's why you want us out.
What's most important to Sanders supporters is that Sanders stays in the race.
Since NY--I donated to the Sanders campaign twice. I donated once, then went back again and donated again and set up reoccurring, monthly payments.
Sanders must stay in.
moriah
(8,311 posts)I do care that after months of bitching about Superdelegates overturning the Will of the Democratic Electorate, that Jeff Weaver mouths off on CNN about trying to get the Superdelegates to overturn said Will, just because the voters didn't buy his message.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/19/sanders_campaigns_weaver_race_will_be_determined_by_superdelegates_not_pledged_delegates.html
[div class="excerpt"[WEAVER: I don't think that that's the case. Look, we're going to go to the convention. It is extremely unlikely that either candidate will have the requisite number of pledged delegates to get to this number, right?
So it's going to be an election determined by the superdelegates. And superdelegates are largely elected officials, party leaders
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Weaver said that it is likely that neither candidate will hit the magic number (2,382) with pledged delegates. And that it will be up to the Superdelegates. Therefore the Sanders campaign will attempt to lobby them to Sander's side.
Oh the horrors!!!!
Um, there is no controversy here. What in the hell is the big deal?
The same thing is happening on the Republican side.
moriah
(8,311 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)But there is a lot of manufactured controversy that is being disseminated by the Clinton camp.
We've got all kinds of hair-on-fire bullshit coming out from Clinton mouthpieces this morning. Gotta gin up some controversy!
Because that's what they do. It's who they are.
These theatrics are dumb.
moriah
(8,311 posts).... you need a self-imposed cool-down period for yourself while you rethink the principles of our Democracy.
Obama had the slenderest lead in the pledged delegates. And Hillary's campaign staff was rightly criticized for suggesting using the Supers to "steal" the election.
Bernie needs to reign Weaver in, NOW.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)This is my understanding of what he said.
IF neither candidate--Hillary or Bernie--has the "magic number" (2,382) to secure a win with pledged delegates--then the Superdelegates will decide it.
So...naturally, the Sanders campaign will lobby the Superdelegates if both candidates are under 2,382 pledged delegates. Hillary will be doing the same thing!
I don't see the problem. I don't see the big deal.
What exactly is the problem here???
moriah
(8,311 posts)Or politically aware????
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008
Only when Obama got the pledged delegate lead did Supers switch to him. Hillary did not lobby to overturn the eventual decision the DNC made about Michigan and Florida seating giving him having more pledged delegates, and the Superdelegates followed the pledged delegates.
That's how it's supposed to go.
If you think she should have not conceded, and went all the way to the Convention, convincing people she should have won, you're wrong.
And at the Convention, she stopped the roll call at New York because there were rumors that people wanted to show that she had more than just the number with the Superdelegates who flipped and followed the Pledged delegates.
She was a stateswoman, while Jeff Weaver's proposals are to attempt to steal the election even if they don't get the majority of pledged delegates.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Sorry Dave, you chose poorly.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)fraudulent. He says they're not an illegal taxi company and lies about background checks and passenger safety. You should see all the lawsuits filed against Uber, from their drivers, to their passengers, to states and municipalities.
Who listens to this fuck stick? Ah, 5 people here, I see.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)who by definition is a neocon.
And there is this. Oh how the apple doesn't fall from the tree. The irony, it hurts.
In December 2010, Plouffe received $100,000 for two speeches in Nigeria from an affiliate of the South African telecommunications company MTN Group. At the time, MTN had been doing business with the government of Iran since 2005. Recently, MTN has come under increased scrutiny by the United States for allegations that the Iranian government used the MTN network to track and monitor dissidents. MTN has been listed on the "Iran Business Registry" of watchdog group United Against Nuclear Iran since 2009.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Plouffe
dsc
(52,162 posts)and which was defended here just days ago when it came out Sanders does that.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)
dsc
(52,162 posts)you are not progressive, then why isn't using it exclusively a similar sign. And why isn't defending such use a similar sign?
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)to bait and hate their way to victory. I have scant respect for him because of those ugly tactics, actions he has never apologized for. I assume his verbiage is motivated by bias in the same way that his choices of anti gay speakers in 08 was a function of his bias and willingness to trade in bigotry.
QC
(26,371 posts)when asked if there would be an apology for sending Donnie "Gays Are Vampires Who Want Your Children" McClurkin to stir up the fundamentalists in South Carolina?
"We got what we needed out of it."
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
QC
(26,371 posts)level of dishonesty.
Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)"This is a wide, wide lead right now
I am amused when the Clinton campaign continues to say: Well, its essentially a tie. I mean thats just lunacy...We have opened up a big and meaningful pledged delegate lead. They are going to have to win landslides from here on out to erase it.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/20/obama-adviser-our-campaign-has-a-wide-wide-lead/comment-page-7/
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Hillary's stated reasons for running are a fraud. So... there you have it.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)First look-up: "fraud."
Oh, and welcome to Ignore for posting that steaming load of RW propaganda.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)I've had nothing bad to say about Sanders this entire cycle. I voted for HRC in Illinois but it was a tough choice for me. There's a lot I like about his ideas. I've allowed myself to enter into some mostly unproductive debates here on GDP over what I saw as unfair criticism of Clinton. He may be jumping the shark for me with the recent BS about flipping superdelegates because he can't win a majority of elected delegates. That reeks of hypocrisy especially given that his own campaign criticized the undemocratic nature of the system before he fell so far behind late in the game. I have no issue with him staying in the race to spread his message and affect the democratic platform as much as possible and give voters in the remaining states an opportunity to be heard, but at this point I'll lose a lot of respect for him if he continues to tear down the eventual nominee or insist on the "flipping superdelegates".