they did the same thing in March before bernie had his 8 state winning streak and closed the delegste gap to under 200.

they know he has a path to the delegate lead. and they are desperate to get him out before those last states vote. it is ca and or that could put him in the lead.

can you imagine what would happen at camp clinton if he took the delegate lead on the last day of voting?

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FWIW, I see it simply as people tired of seeing the party splintered. We have seen the Hillary victory coming for many months and all of this negativity and gyration seems like so much waste....but that's just me

But they know real victory is not easy, so they resort to bullying and voter purges.

It's interesting having others awaken to this fact. I think we all deserve one and I wish more people would take the time to learn and use it.

No point talking to people who spews nonsense anyways.

She needs big wins to go into the convention having already secured the nomination through primaries caucuses.

Without money she can't finish with that strength. Her win will come from the super-delegates or a motion at the convention to give the nomination to the candidate with the plurality of votes.

That will be embarrassing to HRC for a few minutes, so to prevent those minutes of discomfort Bernie must humiliate himself and his call for reform and drop out.

if he continues the negative campaign and lies, he will destroy his brand, and for nothing.

I wouldn't expect that as something high on Sanders' to do list.

I suppose that's an example of how very different the thinking is between Sanders' and Clinton's campaigns.

He is looking at legacy and what he can bargain for at this point. Bernie is a 25 year member of one of the most elite groups on the planet. He is a politician down to his toenails.

And if dems recognize something called his legacy it will be as an example of what happens when you cross the party's establishment

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The same reason people rightly called for Hillary to quit in 2008.

has to drop out of the race before the convention, and Bernie is still an active candidate, it becomes more difficult for the supers and Hillary supporters to pick a non-active candidate.

"... and they all lived happily ever after. The End."

... that he's recently joined. For him to continue any further will weaken our party's competitiveness against the GOP.

Also, for him to continue further will show what many of us have believed all along ... that it was never about "issues" or "ideas" or making progress, and instead he'll demonstrate that it's all about the vanity of Bernie Sanders. At some point, Bernie Sanders becomes less important than the party and our ability to defeat the GOP.

What's it gonna be, Bernie? Are you ready to face reality and make the right decision?

Maybe the party needs to be broken and rebuilt. The party has obviously gone to represent principles more aligned with the center and the right, while the left has been pushed away. I think the candidates need to be brought back to the left.

I hear what your saying. You won't hear any argument from me about changing the party from within. My hope is this whole process lights a flame under so many who have been asleep and have taken things for granted. There will probably be a lot of people who go away after everything is all said and done, that is fact. My dream is more people than usual stay involved now after seeing what can be accomplished if people work together.

My guess is people are tired of working so hard and not having anything to show for it, like a lot of younger people are seeing with their parents. Instant gratification is nice, but I think/hope people understand real change is hard work and won't be accomplished with this electing cycle. With that being said, I am happy to see so many thinking big and not settling. That's American. I love it

instead of continuing to play defense against an opponent who has already lost

Sid

The neo-liberal establishment as tactic seeks to erase alternative and feasible political and economic philosophy.

Some individuals that consciously and more often unconsciously support neo-liberals are made uncomfortable by the issues raised by Sanders.

Continue to let all people decide.

They want Bernies face off the TVs, his name out of the headlines, and his voice shut down. Why?

Because he provides such a constant and stark contrast to their wretched, corrupt, warmongering candidate. As soon as Bernie is gone, the game changes from Good vs. Evil, to lesser of evils, and they can start pedalling Hilary as our saviour from a Trump presidency.

to some people.

Staying is wasteful of money, it is wasteful of time.
Bernie's campaign and supporters continue to use dishonest attacks against both Hillary and establishment Democrats. (voter suppression, Wall street, rigged elections, Clinton Foundation, etc.) Most Democrats are establishment (by definition). It is time for his campaign to stop throwing mud inside our party. How they do this is up to them.

unless you're the Bernie establishment spokesperson.

:sniperfire:

won't convince many of the honesty of Bernie's campaign or followers.

Like the moon landing?

You are thinking of the Republicans.

is not a revolutionary party. You are thinking of socialists, anarchists, libertarians etc.

This is Democratic Underground.

You know, members of that 150 year old establishment party that supports candidates to run for office in the various established governments here in the USA. I don't see establishment as a code word for bad or evil.
A lot of times people actually are capable of establishing things that are good and that work. I can think of hundreds, including Planned Parenthood.

Work for the people. The Establishment works for the 1%. And I think you are playing word games.

whatever you think that means. I bet they'll change that dictionary tomorrow.

But I can see the argument from the well paid Bernie camp. We've come this far. Might as well finish. Republicans won't have a nominee before June 12 either, so no big harm, etc.

Or are they all working pro bono?

With every state Bernie wins there are howls for him to drop out. They don't want Bernie in.

Her angry speech after winning New York, the push by MSM and on sites like this for Bernie to drop out (with outright attacks on Bernie supporters) show the fear that the longer Bernie stays in, the greater the chance that more information will leak out about Clinton Foundation overlaps with her role as SOS.

The business deals made by the Clinton Global Initiative, the foreign donations to the fund by countries like Saudi Arabia and the DNC Donations buying the Super Delegates that have created her path to her the Presidency to the exclusion of many other Dem candidates who could have run, but didn't have the money or network for a path forward of a former President and his Wife.

That Bernie stepped up with his own funding and can stay in until the Convention has them in a frenzy. The closeness of the New York race when both Bill and Hillary stumped the state continuously has them worried for the road ahead. If Bernie picks up a couple of wins next Tuesday and then onto the West finishing up with Oregon and California which is friendlier territory it would be devastating for them.

I'm still waiting to hear what they are going to do about her and Sid...

tick...tick....she should be in jail. That is just a fact. Never allowed to hold public office. It's all in another thread. Obama should be very pissed, and for sure she has betrayed him.

All of her firewalls are done. There are no more home states or even states that are going to be friendly to her. He will probably run the board if we get busy and quit pouting. I am excited and determined to get him into the White House. HOW ABOUT YOU?

but the math shows that Hillary is going to win. Pretending otherwise, as the Sanders campaign is doing, is setting up a lot of new voters for a very hard fall.

neither of them will.

that is the math

That is where he takes the delegate lead.

is urging Bernie to quit, or me to support Hillary - no matter how verbose and flowery that command or plea is - the poster goes on ignore. Not about issues? Not worth reading.

He can never deliver.

And superdelegates can change their minds.

The convention is three months away. Bernie's national poll numbers keep creeping upwards. Where will they be in three months?

There have been allegations of "irregularities" in Arizona, Illinois, and New York. How much more will we learn about them in three months' time?

Bernie's campaign has outraised Hillary's for the first three months of 2016. How's it going to look if he goes on outraising her?

And, of course, there's the FBI investigation. If you were Hillary, would you want to bet the investigation won't conclude until after the convention? Whether or not the DOJ has the guts to prosecute, if the FBI recommends charges, it will be damaging.

If the pledged delegates are close, most of the supers will back the better bet. Is it any wonder there's pressure for Bernie to quit?

I have not yet voted. Would like to vote. Thanks!!

The primary is a distraction to the message. Strike while the iron is hot and transition to movement which will show the establishment that this was not a flash in the pan.

Some are more authoritarian when it comes to democracy then others. I support HRC, yet have no problems with Bernie staying in the race and trying to win. It is the Democratic system and anyone that does not like it is not a friend of mine or a friend of Democracy.

And their words prove it.

The tradition these days has been the presumptive nominee wraps it up early and then deals with the general.

This prevents that till midsummer. I have no problem with it at all and I'm a Clinton supporter. Bernie is pushing her left and can continue to do so.

We want things comfortablly sorted out, and most of all we want to gloat.

But this is just DU, and not the primary itself.

It costs a lot to campaign and the race is all but over. So, we call for Bernie to do the right thing and suspend his candidacy.

I suspect he won't until after next week when it is very clear he has no real path.

But, if he wants to remain then he will and Hillary will continue to race with him hundreds of delegates ahead.

I agree with you though, let's let everyone have their say first.

No one has asked him to do this based on what I have seen/read. Everyone says his voters need a chance to vote for him.

We are sick of the hundreds of OP's a day bashing Hillary with RW sources. We are sick of the awful things posted about black folks, when this is the only time we see such concern for black folks on DU. That is only my personal opinion but it's how I feel.

From here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107111405

To which I respond: GOOD.

We should make it as difficult, painful, and expensive as possible for corporate shills to take the Democratic nomination. This will help discourage future corporate shills.