How could anyone have missed it?

Sarcasm

I mean, that's how it works usually

If I had a guess, they want the party divided...

Either that, or she'll be indicted "any day now," according to unnamed inside sources.

I see it more as
A tale told by an idiot
full of sound and fury
signifying nothing

I don't know if my dearly departed favorite English major would giggle or be offended.

I doubt anyone would be too offended, particularly the bard.

candidate for true progressives not for some half baked republican conspiracy theory.

There is evidence that real crimes may have been committed. There also may be plausible reasons why what appears to be a crime isn't. That's what the FBI is trying to determine. There is nothing half-baked about it.

Just ask anyone who has ever been under investigation by the IRS. It's a very long and daunting process. They have zero f's to give.

“But if we have to choose between the two, well, obviously comes first.”

It'd be nice, but if they issue a recommendation for indictment, whose fault is it?

What a relief it will be when Admin disintegrates shit like this and lowers the ban hammer.

Soon!

And not Shut down by "Admin" on this site? I for one believe that daylight is the best disinfectant.

I believe that its drummed up horseshit.

That is a new twist. Go on head and put fingers in your ears if Hillary is still under investigation by the FBI in the fall you can be damn sure the GOP will be banging this drum 24/7. Why would you not what the FBI to finish this up asap?

Consider this, even with this crap hanging over her ,head and it is crap, she still beat Bernie.

When you repeatedly object to others without laying out a reasoned basis, that's a kind of trolling. It's also called bullshit.

Secretary Hillary Clinton's statements regarding her emails:
1. "I fully complied with every rule I was governed by."
2. "I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material."
3. "I opted for convenience to use my personal email account, which was allowed by the State Department, because I thought it would be easier to carry just one device for my work and for my personal emails instead of two," she said. "Looking back, it would have been better if I'd simply used a second email account and carried a second phone, but at the time, this didn't seem like an issue."


Over 2000 emails with classified information...in her basement, and on the Cloud.

You go, Girl!

Yes, she did send unsecured emails of sensitive nature that she knew was or would be classified.
Yes, she did exchange classified information with individuals not cleared to recieve it.
Yes, she did handle classified information in a careless manner.
Yes, she did break rules when she failed to turn over her correspondence immediately when leaving State Dept. She signed a required statement she had done so, but in fact did not do so until under court orders 2 years later. Some work related emails were not turned over at all, but were deleted (and recovered by other means by FBI).
Yes, she did obstruct justice in repeated delays, obsfucation, and destroying of evidence.

This is just addressing email investigation. The Foundation is another can of worms to be untangled. It may turn out to be an even bigger legal and political problem than the emails....especially if she does like always and lies, delays, obstructs, and attempts to cover up.

You would think at some point law enforcement would take into account that she is always going to lie.

IF they make a recommendation to prosecute anyone, they want to make it stick.

You guys refuse to face facts. She did nothing illegal.

Claims she did nothing illegal before the FBI concludes its investigation are wishfull thinking. Until FBI is done, all we have is guesses based on limited information. My impression is that she did break several EO's and laws, but IDK if they rise to a level of indictable offenses. Regardless, there's enough evidence for GOP to make hay out of.

Are you just ignoring all of that? If so, why would you do that?
Seems to be exactly what Republicans do, ignore anything that doesn't fit with their beliefs. Uninformed.

Rightwing trolls and Bernie supporters...saying this crap about someone who is going to be the Democratic nominee. The rightwing has been after the Clintons for years...and you guys want to help?

Where there's 3 decades worth of smoke there is likely a fire.

Comey wants to be as thorough as humanly possible. His main goal is justice, fairness and to ensure he is not seen as been politically influenced in either direction. He has no incentive to be quick about any of this. In fact if anything the incentive is to take his time.. the longer it takes the impression its more thorough.

Regardless I am convinced this report will clear her of anything illegal. I am sure there will be comments that she did not follow all the correct security protocols perfectly but that there was no indication of "foul play".

Sorry GOP and Bernie die-hards.. Hillary Clinton is not going to jail... she is going to the White House!

The Republicans will use it to beat her over the head with. Bernie has said he will not use it as an issue Trump on the other hand will not be so kind. This needs to be put to rest befor too long.

The GOP is going to beat her over the head with something regardless.
Even if they have to make some shit up.

It's silly that this keeps coming up here.
Hillary is our best possible candidate and she's going to be our nominee.

The concern posts are just silly.

Made up shit wile it may stink can easily be cleaned up with the truth while a real FBI investigation is not as easy to dismiss.

I think Americans won't care about more GOP crap ...used to it with the Clintons...however, a socialist painted as the second coming of Stalin...well he would be trounced.

That determination will be based on whether there was gross negligence or if she knowingly/willingly mishandled classified information. I am convinced she did none of that.

But, I also suspect she won't be indicted.

It was not classified at the time...retroactive classification by GOP types no doubt. How does it feel to work with the right- wing to destroy a Democrat?

How does it feel to be blindly supporting a corrupt politician?

And BTW some of it was classified at the time.

The classification header removed from material cut and pasted out of a classified document...and then sent to her off-the-grid unsecure email server.

at the time she sent it. I think there is no proof of that from all reports I have seen.

Not a lawyer but I think "gross" means really gross. Like serious carelessness or recklessness and indifference to what is right.

"if somebody has been grossly negligent, that means they have fallen so far below the ordinary standard of care that one can expect, to warrant the label of being "gross." Prosser and Keeton describe gross negligence as being "the want of even slight or scant care", and note it as having been described as a lack of care that even a careless person would use.
...

But while we regard the difference between fraud on the one hand and mere negligence, however gross, on the other as a difference in kind, we regard the difference between negligence and gross negligence as merely one of degree"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_negligence


Over 2000 emails with classified info on a private server, in her basement, and on the cloud.

Just because it's easier that way.

Dumb ass.

Very convoluted info & laws & 'facts' and actions. Might make the FBI building a case, IF there was a move to indict, a wee difficult.

indifference', is a really hard mountain to climb. Not sure anyone is going to try and prosecute if that's required.

..doesn't count as 'serious carelessness' then what does exactly?

And in fact according to the logs it wasn't hacked.

So you have no idea that it was "easily hackable".. as I thought.

Certainly not to the standards required for holding Top Secret level materials. The point about the encryption though is if she was sending/receiving that information from foreign nations on a private device and unencrypted then they wouldn't even need to hack her server, they could just intercept the unprotected data directly.

Regarding the encryption issue.. I doubt she will get dinged on that since they did add it after only 3 months. A lot email servers back then did not have encryption.

As for the encryption that's ridiculous, she was the Secretary of State for goodness sake.

That's mostly hearsay and speculation. Note word "appeared" in your posted article.

Give it up dude.. you are wasting your time. She is going to be cleared and will be the next President of this country.

But its obvious to most people that she was at the least extremely careless with important information.

The very last thing we need as a party though is to have one of our most famous leaders charged with a criminal offense. No matter how much I want Bernie to win, Hillary getting indicted would be disastrous for Democrats.

She will be cleared and this will all be a footnote in the political history books.

This is not a serious issue and she will be cleared when you just wrote in a previous post that we don't know the details and it's mostly hearsay? Do you have some knowledge no one else outside of the FBI has?

Thinking like this (poi-pooing the whole thing as a RW attack and nothing more) is extremely dangerous and risky. I just hope party leaders have a backup plan in case the shit hits the fan, because this has the potential to severely damage the Democratic Party.

and I do have an understanding how things like this play out. I am convinced this is going no where.

usually involves an impossibly high standard to prove. It is essentially wanton and wilful misconduct or absolutely reckless disregard, not ordinary negligence.

which was hacked

Regarding highly sensitive material over an unsecure system was most certainly her fault. That's aside from the fact that Obama specifically prohibited him from being enployed by State.

That's a critical difference.

She knew the rules and the laws and should have put a stop to it, rather she encouraged Sid to continuing sending the sensitive material without even asking how he was able to aquire it.

She was knowingly breaking the law.

There are all sorts of classifications of "classified" material. As President Obama said recently.. "there's classified then there's classified". They deal with all sorts of low level "classified" information that is often the same stuff you see on TV news.

Per her agreement, she's supposed to report classified info being received outside the classified system. She should have turned him in immediately and then he wouldn't have been hacked and this info wouldn't be out there.

I dont think so.

I thought she was the most qualified ever. Part of her job is to know it when she reads it.

Edit: And as you know, it can't be marked classified outside the govt system which she didn't use. Do you expect the govt mole that Sid was using or Sid to acknowledge that they were committing treason by marking the emails classified?

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As President Obama said recently.. "there's classified then there's classified". They deal with all sorts of low level "classified" information that is often the same stuff you see on TV news.

The person who they should be legitimately going after is the person inside the NSA who gave Blumenthal that information.

She should make sure that her running mate would give her a pardon just in case.

AFAIK they are done going through emails, which was a long process because some of the emails were classified and could only be read by somebody with clearance. Some emails had to be recovered from the recipients of off the hard drive, because Clinton had them deleted, and has obstructed the investigation in other ways.
The FBI had announced several weeks ago they were in the interview stage of the investigation. They'll be interviewing her aides, and staff at the company who installed and maintained the server, and the staff of the company that later stored it (I think it was 2 different companies). That all takes time, especially if any of the interviewees aren't squeaky clean...they'd have to lawyer up before interview.
Clinton herself will be the last interview, unless some follow up is required.
Lastly, FBI has to go over all the evidence with DoJ lawyers to determine if/what crimes were committed, and if there's enough evidence to indict and prosecute.
To my knowledge the FBI hasn't interviewed Clinton or her top aides yet, so with reviewing evidence with DoJ still to do after that, I don't expect a report or announcement in the near future. It will likely be after the convention, and very well after the GE.
Regardless of any legal action, there is a 100% certainty of a political action. Even if FBI/DoJ determines there isn't enough evidence for prosecution, that in no way prevents the GOP from proceeding with an impeachment (assuming Clinton wins election). I think they would start immediately, in the hopes of winning additional Senate seats in 2018 to increase their chances of success....(it's unlikely a 50/50 Senate would vote to remove.)

The FBI Report is likely to find she violated her signed Classified Information Confidentiality Agreement. Even if Comey doesn't expressly recommend indictment, the fact that she violated the security oath, in itself, should be enough to eliminate her from Nomination. She would have to release her delegates. Since she now has a near lock on numbers of delegates to wrap up the Nomination, one should expect the report to be released any day, now. In any case, it's going to be an interesting Convention.

She isn't going to be cleared. There is zero chance of that. If this drags into the GE and she heads the ticket, the Democratic Party will pay a steep price for circling the wagons around this fatally flawed candidate.

That makes the POTUS's job nearly impossible. Yet, since she has already demonstrated that she can't handle classified information in a secure manner, she may not get security clearance to do so. I would think that the inability to get security clearance would disqualify someone from holding the office of POTUS.

In fact, she willfully violated the current EO by transmitting foreign government source materials, which are "presumed classified." I wrote about this and related issues last August, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251552653

No, that won't happen. You guys are amazing.

she needs to have before the convention. Those super delegates DO NOT VOTE until the convention and Hillary would have to get 68+% to get enough PLEDGED delegates. Ain't gonna happen.

They are not any more likely to allow Sanders to win than they are to proceed with Hillary after the FBI Report. There's going to be hell of a power struggle at the Convention.

if Hillary needs to withdraw just before the convention. It's gonna be ugly.

She's actually main stream Democratic when it comes to regulatory issues: stress tests instead of break up of biggest banks, etc. She has a populist edge but isn't substantially different.

In any case, I'm not sure that any Hillary replacement the Party chose would do well. Even if Warren is the Hillary substitute, I don't think a lot of Bernie supporters will accept the Party trying to supplant him with someone who hasn't been doing the hard work of campaigning.

If at this late date she decides to run with Clinton it is more likely to be because Warren decides that she is the only really viable Democratic candidate and because she wants to be President.

When she does guests appearances on shows, she's a lot more focused on explaining issues than on touting her own accomplishments.

She's seen as being above petty politics, and is largely a cypher to many except her persona as an outsider and anti-politician. I am not saying she is ungenuine, just that her anti-establishment reputation is a valuable commodity when the regular party campaign process fails to produce a widely-acceptable candidate.

They'll hit her only if she wins the presidency. Gotta get a new starr commission out of sumthin. Why put it on blast now when it'd do the least damage?

in the fall as a preemptive strike. For the life of me I can not understand if they have nothing on Hillary why is it still going on? To what ends will slow walking the investigation get?

They'll make their recommendation as soon as they are sure they have reached the proper legal result.

So we can all move on one way or the other

We'll see if they got it right.

That's why.

1)Hillary will not be exonerated or 2) Hillary will not be charged or 3) the FBI will never end its investigation?
Because if you have not noticed the FBI is right now investigating Hillary's home email server and has been for the last year.

truly it is slow as molasses, But they have delayed releasing twice. which I read as they are dotting I and crossing Ts.

Excuse me, actually molasses move faster.

There's probably nothing there there. But that doesn't mean someone in the DoJ with an ax to grind or a debt to pay isn't gonna use this non-issue to fuck with our nominee. Did you expect there NOT to be an October surprise?

DC has a way of protecting their own. I just suspect that if there is an indictment, it will not be issued until after voting in the primaries has been completed so as not to interfere with the process.

I have heard people who should know what they are talking about and they talk about next month. . . . an no one ever mentions any connection with the election whatsoever. So I think you just made that shit up.

there is no formal, "you are off the hook" letter, announcement, etc.

Don't expect to see a resolution to this issue until after the convention. Probably not until after the GE. At that point, some minor flunky will take the fall, and Her High Exaltedness will commute the sentence.

Since both Rice and Powell had private servers, this is just bullshit.