2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Times They Are A'Changing
So, Thom Hartmann has converted to Hillary. At least one superdelegate who was supporting Bernie Sanders has switched her allegiance, and several others who had not endorsed have now endorsed Clinton.
The tide for Bernie has reached its high mark, gone slack, and now is receding, it seems. The next high tide that comes in will be a Clinton tide, it appears.
Here's how you will know for certain that the party's over: H. A. Goodman will admit that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee. Seth Abramson will follow along slavishly shortly thereafter. When Ariana Huffington's website no longer is the source for unlimited attack on Clinton, the die will have been cast.
But, one final wave will remain to come to shore: Bernie Sanders will endorse Hillary Clinton for election as President. He may wait until the convention to do that, but he may also do it before that time, when it becomes crystal clear that he no longer has a path to the nomination. That could come as soon as next Wednesday. Watch his public appearances over the next week. If he dials down his negative rhetoric against Clinton, you will know.
This collection of mixed metaphors is my opinion. Thanks for reading. And I offer my abject apologies to Bob Dylan.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)MineralMan
(146,315 posts)Not enough, though, to make a difference in November. Bernie Sanders has promised to support Hillary if she becomes the nominee. He is a true mensch. I hope his supporters are listening to him when he makes his endorsement. I hope they hear him and follow suit.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Both sides of the political spectrum has such people. They usually nullify each other. That's why I say it will happen to "varying" degrees.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)And that goes for every "professed" Democrat who has voted for her.
MineralMan
(146,315 posts)Well, OK, then.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Are you saying that anyone who voted for her is a "neocon stooge?"
John Poet
(2,510 posts)They've made Robert Kagan very happy.
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/25/neocon-kagan-endorses-hillary-clinton/
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)Calling everyone who voted for Hillary "neocon stooges" is to give them
the benefit of the doubt...
that they aren't actually neocons themselves....
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)I generally believe that "you ARE what you vote for"
which means a LOT of foreign policy neoconservatives
have grown like black mold in the Democratic party.
If they prefer to think of themselves as "liberal interventionists",
that's fine, but makes little differences. They still help to enable
the neoconservative foreign policy of regime change abroad,
put into action by George W. Bush & Dick Cheney
to bring us the Iraq war quagmire.
Now way too many Democrats who opposed Bush are willing to vote for
someone who will bring us more of the same,
just because they say "I am progressive" and have a (D) next to their name.
That leads me to believe their opposition to Bush was
always about party, and never about principle.
Calling such professing Democrats "neoconservative stooges" is generous,
when they are using their votes to promote
neoconservative foreign policy
by voting for Hillary.
The neoconservative godfather Robert Kagan
prefers Hillary to all Republican candidates who ran this year,
and has endorsed her. I think that speaks for itself.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)MineralMan
(146,315 posts)Not a well thought out attack on Clinton supporters, I'm afraid.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)MineralMan
(146,315 posts)Excuse the allusion, please. I'm in an alluding sort of mood this morning.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)And is quite apt.
MineralMan
(146,315 posts)learned the first time I had to perform it.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)I prefer more contemporary musicals as a rule, but I have a soft spot for that one. Just a great show.
MineralMan
(146,315 posts)I don't know that it has been in revival recently. "A Little Night Music," "The Fantasticks" and "Chess" are a few of the oddball, but much-loved musicals I have always enjoyed.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)I've seen the video of the stage production a bazillion times. I used to use it when I was teaching a college Fine Art Theatre course.
MineralMan
(146,315 posts)that on YouTube. Thanks for mentioning it. Excellent!
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)on youtube, which is a little annoying, but so worth it. The young girl who plays the daughter is also great.
MineralMan
(146,315 posts)I saw that they have it in segments there on YouTube.
Back in the days when I sometimes performed as a vocalist, I was forever making mistakes in choosing my material. "Send in the Clowns" was one of those. "Macarthur Park" was another. I love both songs, but pulling them off well in a performance is something else again. I was never satisfied with doing them, and stopped trying to sing them in public. The phrasing needed just wasn't within my capabilities, I guess.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)in my FaceBook memories feed...so appropriate!
Had to link to another source to bring it here though...
MineralMan
(146,315 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Jill Stein, I believe. Although some seem to be plumping for Elizabeth Warren, which is odd since she's not actually running for President.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)was assigned to play, I'd suggest you pay closer attention.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Thom Hartmann is part of the conspiracy man!
MineralMan
(146,315 posts)As for Thom Hartmann, I never have followed what he says. He's always been "Blowin' in the Wind," to extend my Dylan allusion. His conversion, however, is informative, I think.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Not surprising though since conservatives do it all the time.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)So clever.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Am I a conservative for defending Hillary from the many unfair attacks I see here on DU?
Inquiring minds want to know!
joshcryer
(62,271 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)That Bernie lost and it's time to coalesce behind Clinton.
But some Bernie fans have managed to whip themselves into such anti-Clinton frenzy, they may be too far gone.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)It will always be good business to attack Hillary, win or lose, I suspect HuffPo will keep right on doing what it's doing.
Tides cycle and pendulums swing, it ain't over yet. More to the point, you forget that this is more than one battle being fought here and Bernie is clearly winning most of them, even if he's losing the zero/sum election battle.
If Bernie dials down the legitimate calling out of his opponent, it will reveal nothing except the dialing down of legitimate calling out of his opponent. It doesn't mean he has no path simply because you say so. Saying it doesn't make it true.
I feel it's safe to say that Thom Hartmann is staunchly with Bernie in the ideological tug-of-war, that's clear to me. It's also clear that Bernie supporters are eventually going to win this one, maybe not this cycle but eventually. The party will not be able to co-opt an entire generation, its base is soon going to be dominated by today's independents, it would behoove them to stop dismissing us. The sinking stone of tribal/identity politics are going the way of the dodo bird. That much is clear.
The times, indeed, are changing.
(No apologies to Bob Dylan since I used the sentiment correctly)