2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI believe this rigging is happening all over. IL - Chicago 56% down to 47%
In one example noted during video, 21 Bernie votes were erased and 49 Hillary votes added to audit tally in order to match machine count. In this one precinct, this change from the actual results accounted for nearly 20% of overall votes cast. The actual tally was 56.7% in Bernie's favor. After count was manipulated by machine he lost with 47.5% of vote. A whopping 18.4% swing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4fqo91/chicago_board_of_elections_audits_chicago_votes/
"The observer lady was independent from the election organization who was running the 5% audit. She claims she and other observers should have been able to view everything but the election officials would hide counts, tallies and ballots from them. The officials were to use the machines and tally the votes by hand. She claims they witnessed these officials change their hand tally to match "expected" results. She claimed they may have been under pressure to ensure the results matched up.
This was a meeting of the board of elections. She was there as a member of the public and was allowed just 5 minutes to make a comment. The official in charge of the day rebuked her claims and she wasn't allowed to respond, but she did anyway. Watch the video, it's rather interesting (and infuriating). She handed in a bunch of affidavits from herself and other observers so hopefully that helps somehow. It'd be interesting to know if these are on the public record somewhere."
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)questionseverything
(9,654 posts)we have several witnesses willing to go on record that the audit was not an audit at all but more of a cover up so the audit results were forced to match the previously recorded output
@1;17 point in the video the gentleman says he observed 3 different ways this happened and that he has photographic evidence that votes were erased so the audit matched the previously reported results
now if you were an honest election official that news should make you want to know more, not this bunch tho
attorney scalon seems to pride himself on keeping the audit as non transparent as possible, no video, instructing workers to cover aspects of the pretend audit
as stalin said , it is always about who counts the votes
until the average citizen can oversee every step of the election process, our election are illegitimate
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)"OMG, I just checked my RI voter information & my party has been changed to republican. Being from Rhode Island, our primary is the 26th. Also, found out RHODE ISLAND IS CLOSING 66% OF POLLING PLACES FOR OUR APRIL 26TH PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY-that's 1 in 3.
I went to my town hall before the cut off date to vote in the primaries & checked what party I was affiliated with. I was registered independant & changed it to Democrat (just to be sure I could vote in the primary)."
This election is a travesty!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I don't remember a Primary as fucked up as this one is.
And yes, I am upset about it and it isn't sour grapes. Everyone of us should be concerned about this bullshit.
This is a dress rehearsal for November. If you are pleased with the results that the Primary could be thrown for Hillary, just remember the same thing can happen in the GE.
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)Change districts and create chaos...Except maybe a few of us who get laughed at when we question election integrity...? And then watch the scrambling as everyone who shows up to vote discovers it really wasn't just voter error or non-Democrats trying to vote after all. That gee, machines and systems can be hacked and manipulated. Who would have thought.
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tymorial
(3,433 posts)I live in Massachusetts now but I miss Ri so much. My wife won't agree to move lol.
I saw the 66% closure yesterday but it's "just for the primary" This is preposterous. Given the legacy of corruption and piss poor management in our state, it never ceases to amaze me that crap like this happens.
lmbradford
(517 posts)What have we allowed our democracy to become. I become more and more ashamed every day.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)Got to love our USA.LLC!
Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)have to hand count all the ballots if it doesn't come out the same. We need citizen audits.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)and she claims an audit of 5% is not statistically meaningful when polls use <<<1%. That is quite a waste of time.
mythology
(9,527 posts)It's hard to do that from ballots that aren't tied to individuals.
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)vote in secret. I thought that kind of privacy was fundamental to having a real vote.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)or maybe you found a different woman.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)She was misunderstood the first time by the chairwoman, and clarified that she did not in any way wish to be able to tie voters to votes.
randome
(34,845 posts)Statistically meaningless irregularities like this do not mean a grand conspiracy with thousands of precinct captains and officials all doing Clinton's bidding.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)guess what, this is what we are talking about. Or moving a whole SOS server in 2004... that is what we are talking about. Not the lost vote here or there. A for effort though
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Some good info on voting machines, probability and tampering is here-
https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/voting/
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)This isn't about a candidate, it's about our democracy.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)This isn't about a candidate, it's about our democracy.
Yes- exactly-
See especially https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/papers/appel-audits.pdf
also https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/voting/
https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/avc/
also
Insecurities and Inaccuracies of the Sequoia AVC Advantage 9.00H DRE Voting Machine.
Remote Vote Tampering Attack on a Sequoia AVC Voting Machine - Argonne National Lab's Vulnerability Assessment Team (VAT) demonstrates how to tamper with a Sequoia
Sequoia Part 1 Those with access can hack with ... - YouTube
dana_b
(11,546 posts)talking about what we are for, what we want in our candidates and really it makes NO difference. Because the oligarchs will decide for us.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)state deal. MN gave Bernie the win but we have not had our state convention yet and I wonder if there is going to be some way that they take Bernie delegates way from him. Some way they give her more than him.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Now if people really want to do something about it, it will take millions... and likely over a decade. Ready for that kind of commitment? I got my comfy shoes to spread the news, and the recorder and the camera. I wonder though if Americans care that much.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Wonder why....
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)Some of them, I'm sure, are even HAPPY about it.
desmiller
(747 posts)I asked two of them yesterday about what does Hillary stood for to earn their vote. No response as of yet.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:12 AM - Edit history (1)
That is no coincidence. Apparently they could not infiltrate the Michigan voter data. But Arizona, Mass, NY absolutely. And I also bet that some the super Tuesday states in March were fucked with in order to pump up her delegate count.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)She did not win this state 65-35. No way.
McAuliffe is one of the Clintons' staunchest supporters.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)hurts the cause of ACTUAL voter suppression.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)do the same in the GE, and HRC loses?
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Trump is not a serious candidate
he is one of Bill Clinton's golfing buddies, and his daughter and Chelsea are best friends
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Lovely...
dinkytron
(568 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)using GATS - for example on health care, education and banking - and then 'neglected to tell us' and - in the case of health care, wasted the whole country's time in 2009 on a wild goose chase.
at the same time they are trying to trade US jobs away to give corporations access to other countries, kind of an escape strategy, using those jobs like money.
so it all together paints a very damning picture.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)dinkytron
(568 posts)told me NY was rigged. Too many first hand experiences of people being disenfranchised. It is one thing reading about it, it is another hearing more one one person you know being denied a vote. This is not democracy. FYI, he is supporting Bernie but totally willing to vote for the Democratic nominee. His wife is pro Hillary. He also worked for Hillary early on.
mooseprime
(474 posts)about winning in this or that demographic or district is a waste of time and what's worse, a dangerous diversion.
there has been so much of this--after many primaries in populous states--that i no longer find the results being trumpeted high and low to be credible.
foul!
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)questionseverything
(9,654 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)Thanks for the thread, bkkyosemite.
peace13
(11,076 posts)Telling observers that they may have misunderstood the process when people have been explaining problems that they in fact observed is an insult. Her umma and u knows are disturbing. Making a tally match a number is not any kind of audit. It should be blind!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)need some honest people to help us get out of this mess. Oligarchy.
Unicorn
(424 posts)Progressives must be scary people to have to suppress their vote so much.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...it was said on TYT tuesday night that Illinois, NY, and Ohio were the top states, historically, with election fraud.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Maybe it is time to let the party of such fraud go bust. Alternatively, it could go Bernie, and have a landslide in the GE. The choice is theirs. Our choice is whether we condone such corruption to continue, or vote it clean out of office.
Beowulf
(761 posts)The just don't want our candidates and our issues. We shouldn't feel singled out. That's how they treat every constitute group that is not part of the oligarchy.
polichick
(37,152 posts)People have to stand up against the evil in both parties.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Having to ERASE 21 check marks for Bernie, and then ADD 49 for Hillary to match the official machine count, doesn't make sense to me at all. At the very least, it's evidence of substantial machine error. And it could be evidence of possible fraud.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)in a city with thousands
reformist2
(9,841 posts)questionseverything
(9,654 posts)illinois ballet integrity project deserves our support
Dem2
(8,168 posts)For those interested, start viewing at about 24:30. I agree with the author of the DKos article, "Theres no way to know how egregious the errors in the machine count and their purported audit were without further investigation and research." I can't comment further, there's not enough evidence to suggest much of anything other than someone should have filed for a recount since it was stated that the 5% audit is not in itself to be used to change any results.
The audit checked out according to the officials, if it is felt that they did something wrong at the 5% audit, they should file a lawsuit.