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bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:50 AM Apr 2016

I believe this rigging is happening all over. IL - Chicago 56% down to 47%

In one example noted during video, 21 Bernie votes were erased and 49 Hillary votes added to audit tally in order to match machine count. In this one precinct, this change from the actual results accounted for nearly 20% of overall votes cast. The actual tally was 56.7% in Bernie's favor. After count was manipulated by machine he lost with 47.5% of vote. A whopping 18.4% swing.

&sns=em - video

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4fqo91/chicago_board_of_elections_audits_chicago_votes/

"The observer lady was independent from the election organization who was running the 5% audit. She claims she and other observers should have been able to view everything but the election officials would hide counts, tallies and ballots from them. The officials were to use the machines and tally the votes by hand. She claims they witnessed these officials change their hand tally to match "expected" results. She claimed they may have been under pressure to ensure the results matched up.

This was a meeting of the board of elections. She was there as a member of the public and was allowed just 5 minutes to make a comment. The official in charge of the day rebuked her claims and she wasn't allowed to respond, but she did anyway. Watch the video, it's rather interesting (and infuriating). She handed in a bunch of affidavits from herself and other observers so hopefully that helps somehow. It'd be interesting to know if these are on the public record somewhere."
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I believe this rigging is happening all over. IL - Chicago 56% down to 47% (Original Post) bkkyosemite Apr 2016 OP
Citizens cannot allow themselves to become desensitized to election fraud. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #1
i applaud the illinois ballot integrity project,hope they keep fighting questionseverything Apr 2016 #35
Another comment from the site Bernie Sanders is my Hero that I belong to on FB bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #2
It is as crooked as a barrel of snakes. Aerows Apr 2016 #3
I know! How about we hack into the databases, make all D's into R's and R's into D's... lostnfound Apr 2016 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Apr 2016 #49
Hello fellow Rier tymorial Apr 2016 #52
This is disgusting lmbradford Apr 2016 #4
The required 5% audit discovered vote tabulation error so the audit results were changed. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #5
I have heard of that happening on other places, because the staff know that they might Blue Meany Apr 2016 #45
We need journalists to find these "auditors" and ask them what happened! reformist2 Apr 2016 #60
She wants to be able to "tie votes to voters" Progressive dog Apr 2016 #6
Except polling can tie to demographics mythology Apr 2016 #17
So you're OK with not being able to Progressive dog Apr 2016 #18
No she didn't, she specifically said she DIDN'T want to tie votes to voters. Kentonio Apr 2016 #29
After she said she needed to tie the votes to voters Progressive dog Apr 2016 #32
Watch it again. Kentonio Apr 2016 #37
There are voting problems in every precinct in every election. randome Apr 2016 #7
These are not just voting problems. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #8
Like caging in the state of florida in 2000 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #13
No, thats not true, there may be Baobab Apr 2016 #19
Democracy is dead Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #9
And people don't get this fact. Punkingal Apr 2016 #10
THANK YOU Baobab Apr 2016 #21
and here we spend all this time here and other places dana_b Apr 2016 #16
That is pretty much how I felt after reading about the 33 jwirr Apr 2016 #48
Why do you think I say we vote in pretend elections, with pretend votes? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #11
Of course it is. The only ones unable to see it happening are Clinton supporters. NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #12
Some of them see it too even if they won't admit it. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #30
It's called blind loyalty desmiller Apr 2016 #36
It has occurred in all the states that were important to Her. FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #14
I have NO doubt that it happened in my state of VA. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #31
This baseless, bullsh*t nonsense about "rigging" because Sanders is losing KittyWampus Apr 2016 #15
Will you use that same answer when the repugs sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #20
she wont lose Baobab Apr 2016 #25
So the Clintons are in cahoots with Trump? AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #33
You have blinders on. dinkytron Apr 2016 #23
except they have rigged it at a higher level also Baobab Apr 2016 #24
No! What you just said is bull shit. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #34
My old NY friend, the nicest most stand up guy in the world and very involved in politics... dinkytron Apr 2016 #22
simply appalling. all of our carrying on mooseprime Apr 2016 #26
K and R! The truth needs to be known. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #27
horrifying! what is the next step we need to take here? amborin Apr 2016 #28
here is a link to support funding the case questionseverything Apr 2016 #40
I tell you what would change things..start arresting those who don't follow the law to the letter. silvershadow Apr 2016 #41
Bump for more irregularities. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #39
Kick Kittycat Apr 2016 #42
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #43
Madame Chair should just stop talking at the end. peace13 Apr 2016 #44
This is happening in too many states to not be fraud. We jwirr Apr 2016 #46
And this is the real story of the primaries. There's been fraud in every state. Unicorn Apr 2016 #47
Silly lefties. Unicorns, rainbows and fair elections are just blue sky pipe dreams. Scuba Apr 2016 #50
IIRC Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #51
Progressives, if this is how the Democrats treat your votes, it's obvious they don't WANT your vote. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #53
Oh I think they want our votes. Beowulf Apr 2016 #56
You have to be blind, deaf and dumb as rocks not to see what's happening... polichick Apr 2016 #54
I can understand an undercounting when counting by hand, but an overcounting??? reformist2 Apr 2016 #55
and that is just one early voting machine questionseverything Apr 2016 #57
It's clear that votes were moved from the Sanders column to the Clinton column on election night. reformist2 Apr 2016 #58
yes and from the evidence presented in video it is also clear the boe is actively covering that up questionseverything Apr 2016 #59
And to add my comment to the 3rd thread on this topic: Dem2 Apr 2016 #61

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
35. i applaud the illinois ballot integrity project,hope they keep fighting
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

we have several witnesses willing to go on record that the audit was not an audit at all but more of a cover up so the audit results were forced to match the previously recorded output

@1;17 point in the video the gentleman says he observed 3 different ways this happened and that he has photographic evidence that votes were erased so the audit matched the previously reported results

now if you were an honest election official that news should make you want to know more, not this bunch tho

attorney scalon seems to pride himself on keeping the audit as non transparent as possible, no video, instructing workers to cover aspects of the pretend audit

as stalin said , it is always about who counts the votes

until the average citizen can oversee every step of the election process, our election are illegitimate

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
2. Another comment from the site Bernie Sanders is my Hero that I belong to on FB
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:53 AM
Apr 2016

"OMG, I just checked my RI voter information & my party has been changed to republican. Being from Rhode Island, our primary is the 26th. Also, found out RHODE ISLAND IS CLOSING 66% OF POLLING PLACES FOR OUR APRIL 26TH PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY-that's 1 in 3.
I went to my town hall before the cut off date to vote in the primaries & checked what party I was affiliated with. I was registered independant & changed it to Democrat (just to be sure I could vote in the primary)."

This election is a travesty!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
3. It is as crooked as a barrel of snakes.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:05 AM
Apr 2016

I don't remember a Primary as fucked up as this one is.

And yes, I am upset about it and it isn't sour grapes. Everyone of us should be concerned about this bullshit.

This is a dress rehearsal for November. If you are pleased with the results that the Primary could be thrown for Hillary, just remember the same thing can happen in the GE.

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
38. I know! How about we hack into the databases, make all D's into R's and R's into D's...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

Change districts and create chaos...Except maybe a few of us who get laughed at when we question election integrity...? And then watch the scrambling as everyone who shows up to vote discovers it really wasn't just voter error or non-Democrats trying to vote after all. That gee, machines and systems can be hacked and manipulated. Who would have thought.

Response to bkkyosemite (Reply #2)

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
52. Hello fellow Rier
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

I live in Massachusetts now but I miss Ri so much. My wife won't agree to move lol.

I saw the 66% closure yesterday but it's "just for the primary" This is preposterous. Given the legacy of corruption and piss poor management in our state, it never ceases to amaze me that crap like this happens.

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
5. The required 5% audit discovered vote tabulation error so the audit results were changed.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

Got to love our USA.LLC!

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
45. I have heard of that happening on other places, because the staff know that they might
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

have to hand count all the ballots if it doesn't come out the same. We need citizen audits.

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
6. She wants to be able to "tie votes to voters"
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:27 AM
Apr 2016

and she claims an audit of 5% is not statistically meaningful when polls use <<<1%. That is quite a waste of time.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
17. Except polling can tie to demographics
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

It's hard to do that from ballots that aren't tied to individuals.

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
18. So you're OK with not being able to
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:14 PM
Apr 2016

vote in secret. I thought that kind of privacy was fundamental to having a real vote.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
37. Watch it again.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

She was misunderstood the first time by the chairwoman, and clarified that she did not in any way wish to be able to tie voters to votes.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. There are voting problems in every precinct in every election.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

Statistically meaningless irregularities like this do not mean a grand conspiracy with thousands of precinct captains and officials all doing Clinton's bidding.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. Like caging in the state of florida in 2000
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

guess what, this is what we are talking about. Or moving a whole SOS server in 2004... that is what we are talking about. Not the lost vote here or there. A for effort though

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
21. THANK YOU
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:23 PM
Apr 2016

This isn't about a candidate, it's about our democracy.




Yes- exactly-

See especially https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/papers/appel-audits.pdf

also https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/voting/

https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/avc/


also

Insecurities and Inaccuracies of the Sequoia AVC Advantage 9.00H DRE Voting Machine.


Remote Vote Tampering Attack on a Sequoia AVC Voting Machine - Argonne National Lab's Vulnerability Assessment Team (VAT) demonstrates how to tamper with a Sequoia




Sequoia Part 1 Those with access can hack with ... - YouTube

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
16. and here we spend all this time here and other places
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:39 AM
Apr 2016

talking about what we are for, what we want in our candidates and really it makes NO difference. Because the oligarchs will decide for us.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
48. That is pretty much how I felt after reading about the 33
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:22 PM
Apr 2016

state deal. MN gave Bernie the win but we have not had our state convention yet and I wonder if there is going to be some way that they take Bernie delegates way from him. Some way they give her more than him.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. Why do you think I say we vote in pretend elections, with pretend votes?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

Now if people really want to do something about it, it will take millions... and likely over a decade. Ready for that kind of commitment? I got my comfy shoes to spread the news, and the recorder and the camera. I wonder though if Americans care that much.

desmiller

(747 posts)
36. It's called blind loyalty
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:11 PM
Apr 2016

I asked two of them yesterday about what does Hillary stood for to earn their vote. No response as of yet.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
14. It has occurred in all the states that were important to Her.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:12 AM - Edit history (1)

That is no coincidence. Apparently they could not infiltrate the Michigan voter data. But Arizona, Mass, NY absolutely. And I also bet that some the super Tuesday states in March were fucked with in order to pump up her delegate count.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
31. I have NO doubt that it happened in my state of VA.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016

She did not win this state 65-35. No way.

McAuliffe is one of the Clintons' staunchest supporters.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
15. This baseless, bullsh*t nonsense about "rigging" because Sanders is losing
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

hurts the cause of ACTUAL voter suppression.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
25. she wont lose
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:31 PM
Apr 2016

Trump is not a serious candidate

he is one of Bill Clinton's golfing buddies, and his daughter and Chelsea are best friends

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
24. except they have rigged it at a higher level also
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:29 PM
Apr 2016

using GATS - for example on health care, education and banking - and then 'neglected to tell us' and - in the case of health care, wasted the whole country's time in 2009 on a wild goose chase.

at the same time they are trying to trade US jobs away to give corporations access to other countries, kind of an escape strategy, using those jobs like money.

so it all together paints a very damning picture.

dinkytron

(568 posts)
22. My old NY friend, the nicest most stand up guy in the world and very involved in politics...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

told me NY was rigged. Too many first hand experiences of people being disenfranchised. It is one thing reading about it, it is another hearing more one one person you know being denied a vote. This is not democracy. FYI, he is supporting Bernie but totally willing to vote for the Democratic nominee. His wife is pro Hillary. He also worked for Hillary early on.

mooseprime

(474 posts)
26. simply appalling. all of our carrying on
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:39 PM
Apr 2016

about winning in this or that demographic or district is a waste of time and what's worse, a dangerous diversion.

there has been so much of this--after many primaries in populous states--that i no longer find the results being trumpeted high and low to be credible.

foul!

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
41. I tell you what would change things..start arresting those who don't follow the law to the letter.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016
 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
44. Madame Chair should just stop talking at the end.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:51 PM
Apr 2016

Telling observers that they may have misunderstood the process when people have been explaining problems that they in fact observed is an insult. Her umma and u knows are disturbing. Making a tally match a number is not any kind of audit. It should be blind!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
46. This is happening in too many states to not be fraud. We
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:10 PM
Apr 2016

need some honest people to help us get out of this mess. Oligarchy.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
47. And this is the real story of the primaries. There's been fraud in every state.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:12 PM
Apr 2016

Progressives must be scary people to have to suppress their vote so much.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
51. IIRC
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:10 AM
Apr 2016

...it was said on TYT tuesday night that Illinois, NY, and Ohio were the top states, historically, with election fraud.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
53. Progressives, if this is how the Democrats treat your votes, it's obvious they don't WANT your vote.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

Maybe it is time to let the party of such fraud go bust. Alternatively, it could go Bernie, and have a landslide in the GE. The choice is theirs. Our choice is whether we condone such corruption to continue, or vote it clean out of office.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
56. Oh I think they want our votes.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

The just don't want our candidates and our issues. We shouldn't feel singled out. That's how they treat every constitute group that is not part of the oligarchy.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
54. You have to be blind, deaf and dumb as rocks not to see what's happening...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:24 AM
Apr 2016

People have to stand up against the evil in both parties.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
55. I can understand an undercounting when counting by hand, but an overcounting???
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

Having to ERASE 21 check marks for Bernie, and then ADD 49 for Hillary to match the official machine count, doesn't make sense to me at all. At the very least, it's evidence of substantial machine error. And it could be evidence of possible fraud.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
59. yes and from the evidence presented in video it is also clear the boe is actively covering that up
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

illinois ballet integrity project deserves our support

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
61. And to add my comment to the 3rd thread on this topic:
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:13 PM
Apr 2016

For those interested, start viewing at about 24:30. I agree with the author of the DKos article, "There’s no way to know how egregious the errors in the machine count and their purported audit were without further investigation and research." I can't comment further, there's not enough evidence to suggest much of anything other than someone should have filed for a recount since it was stated that the 5% audit is not in itself to be used to change any results.


The audit checked out according to the officials, if it is felt that they did something wrong at the 5% audit, they should file a lawsuit.
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