2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMoveOn rejects idea Superdelegates should support 2nd place candidate
And they're "All in" for Bernie. I do believe Sanders needs to be very careful with the groups supporting him.
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MoveOn.org and Democracy for America, both of which have endorsed Sanders, have since 2008 been pressuring super delegates to support whichever candidate gets the most votes.
More than 380,000 people signed petitions from the group agreeing that the race for the Democratic Party nomination should be decided by who gets the most votes, and not who has the most support from party insiders.
Both groups confirmed to MSNBC Wednesday that they still hold that position.
MoveOn members overwhelmingly endorsed Sanders for president, and we want him to win the most pledged delegates, become the nominee, and become president. But superdelegates shouldnt overrule the will of the Democratic grassroots, said MoveOn Washington Director Ben Wikler. If the primary and caucus winner is Hillary Clinton, then Clinton should be the nominee.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/where-does-sanders-go-here
RandySF
(58,874 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Oh wait ... Killer Mike and Susan Sarandon.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and career?
George II
(67,782 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)because they're depending on Sanders supporters for their funding.
So in a way Sanders is proving both that excessive funding can't buy elections, but that it can corrupt the political process
George II
(67,782 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)that have happened this primary season?
oasis
(49,388 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,009 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)However long Sanders has in this race he should talk about his plans and stop attacking Hillary. He does better when he makes it about his policies.
4 of the 5 upcoming primaries are closed and registered Democrats don't care for attacks on other Democrats. Did not work in NY.
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)they're moving in the right direction.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)That is, of course, assuming the whole SS system shouldn't be scrapped (along with multiple other aspects of the incredibly broken primary system)...
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)As SDs have always gone to the overall winner ever since their introduction.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)But SDs are far from the only thing fubar about our primary system...
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Math. Complicated stuff.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Moveon.org leaders have always been in the bag for Clinton.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)They have rigged it. And the Skull and Bones society, too.
It's all a big con, see.
We can't win. They are watching. Shhhhh.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)So, let's assume neither candidate has enough pledged delegates. Then the super delegates go to work. They are supposed to know more than voters or pledged delegates. They are supposed to read the tea leaves on the political landscape. They are insiders. They are the Very Serious People.
That being the case, their support should not automatically fall to one candidate or the other. For example, they should be able to evaluate the following re Hillary:
FBI investigation
Corruption via Clinton Foundation
Wall Street speeches
Trade policy flip-flops (TPP, etc.)
Minimum wage pros and cons
Inability to tell the truth (Bosnia just one example)
Etc.
And they should be able to evaluate the following re Bernie:
Effect of "democratic socialism" in the GE
Bernie's record in the Senate
Bernie's lifetime support for civil rights
Etc.
Of course, that won't happen. Because, as this primary as revealed, the DNC and primaries are a hotbed of corruption, "insider trading" (so to speak), ineptitude, and more.
But, at this late date, it is what it is, and it's unlikely to change (too many vested interests). Sure, Bernie and his supporters must keep fighting. There is nothing to gain by dropping out or dialing back on the enthusiasm.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)If Clinton has even 1 more delegate than Sanders, she wins the nomination, and vice versa.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)...to get as many Bernie pledged delegates and superdelegates to the convention as possible.
Even if they don't get enough Sanders' delegates there to nominate, the more there are, the better the chances are of effecting desperately needed changes in processes and platform.
The nomination is not the only thing decided at the convention.
Consider this (it gets more interesting as you read deeper)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1798895
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Not the other stuff. Even his own allies are saying his "flip SD even if I finish second" is a dangerous road to travel down.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)... were suddenly embroiled in some kind of scandal, then I think "voter sentiment" would be calling for SDs to nominate the untainted candidate, even if that candidate had fewer pledged delegates.
Or if it became clear that the process for allocating delegates in a state was corrupt, then "voter sentiment" would be calling for SDs to weigh in and cancel out the effect.
I'm not saying either of these things are on the horizon, but shit does happen.
The way I read it, Sanders is making his case to the voters first. If it becomes clear that "voter sentiment" in July looks a lot different from the "sentiment" expressed by the pledged delegate allocation, any superdelegates who choose to align themselves with voter sentiment as they see it in July are doing the right thing.
Sticking to a "pledged delegate total or bust" position regardless of how conditions change is as unreasonable as sticking to a "bernie or bust" position regardless of how conditions change.