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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:53 AM Apr 2016

MoveOn rejects idea Superdelegates should support 2nd place candidate

And they're "All in" for Bernie. I do believe Sanders needs to be very careful with the groups supporting him.

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MoveOn.org and Democracy for America, both of which have endorsed Sanders, have since 2008 been pressuring super delegates to support whichever candidate gets the most votes.

More than 380,000 people signed petitions from the group agreeing that “the race for the Democratic Party nomination should be decided by who gets the most votes, and not who has the most support from party insiders.”

Both groups confirmed to MSNBC Wednesday that they still hold that position.

“MoveOn members overwhelmingly endorsed Sanders for president, and we want him to win the most pledged delegates, become the nominee, and become president. But superdelegates shouldn’t overrule the will of the Democratic grassroots,” said MoveOn Washington Director Ben Wikler. ”If the primary and caucus winner is Hillary Clinton, then Clinton should be the nominee.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/where-does-sanders-go-here

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MoveOn rejects idea Superdelegates should support 2nd place candidate (Original Post) Godhumor Apr 2016 OP
Prepare for the #Berniebus RandySF Apr 2016 #1
Who's remaining? Anyone not there yet? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #6
Has Killer Mike been seen since he used Sanders to promote his albums geek tragedy Apr 2016 #10
Not yet, there's still money to be had through MoveOn.org. But it's coming! George II Apr 2016 #8
Under the bus nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #2
Uh oh. More disappointment for the Berniebros. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #3
DFA is still refusing to take a stand against superdelegates stealing it for Bernie geek tragedy Apr 2016 #4
Do you get a half-dozen emails a day from DFA too? I started getting them the day after the "breach" George II Apr 2016 #9
I never signed up for them. They're pretty much what we get at DU nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #11
I never signed up for them either, but still get them. George II Apr 2016 #13
How can you steal something, many would be as already stolen with all of the numerous instances Skwmom Apr 2016 #22
Memo to TweedleDum Weaver and TweedlDEvine: BACK OFF. nt oasis Apr 2016 #5
TweedlDEvine Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #25
MoveOn are just a bunch of Wall Street lackies! nt onehandle Apr 2016 #7
lol auntpurl Apr 2016 #21
Political reality is hitting and will hit hard next Tuesday. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #12
Good for MoveOn, Progressive dog Apr 2016 #14
Even the Megabus isn't large enough for that. MineralMan Apr 2016 #15
Also, it is on fire Godhumor Apr 2016 #24
Superdelegates should vote for their state's popular vote winner. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #16
Shame MoveOn and the entire history of SDs disagree with voting by state wins Godhumor Apr 2016 #17
Yes, I know. I'm pointing out that I disagree with that system. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #20
Not when you didn't win by an overwhelming margin. n/t Skwmom Apr 2016 #19
Clinton would win them under that formula as well. Tarc Apr 2016 #23
Ignoring the fact that those pledged delegates were acquired in a corrupt system of voting. Skwmom Apr 2016 #18
Really? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #27
It's the Illuminati, you understand Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #33
Bernie would have NO credibility if he 'rigged' the election to win. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #26
My understanding is that the superdelegates are intended to be the adults in the room matt819 Apr 2016 #28
Never in their entire history have the SDs overruled the voters Godhumor Apr 2016 #30
That doesn't mean that Sanders shouldn't be working... pat_k Apr 2016 #29
But here we're talking about using SDs to overrule voter sentiment Godhumor Apr 2016 #31
If one of the candidates... pat_k Apr 2016 #32
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. DFA is still refusing to take a stand against superdelegates stealing it for Bernie
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016

because they're depending on Sanders supporters for their funding.

So in a way Sanders is proving both that excessive funding can't buy elections, but that it can corrupt the political process

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
22. How can you steal something, many would be as already stolen with all of the numerous instances
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:39 AM
Apr 2016

that have happened this primary season?
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
12. Political reality is hitting and will hit hard next Tuesday.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

However long Sanders has in this race he should talk about his plans and stop attacking Hillary. He does better when he makes it about his policies.


4 of the 5 upcoming primaries are closed and registered Democrats don't care for attacks on other Democrats. Did not work in NY.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
16. Superdelegates should vote for their state's popular vote winner.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

That is, of course, assuming the whole SS system shouldn't be scrapped (along with multiple other aspects of the incredibly broken primary system)...

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
17. Shame MoveOn and the entire history of SDs disagree with voting by state wins
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:34 AM
Apr 2016

As SDs have always gone to the overall winner ever since their introduction.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
20. Yes, I know. I'm pointing out that I disagree with that system.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

But SDs are far from the only thing fubar about our primary system...

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
18. Ignoring the fact that those pledged delegates were acquired in a corrupt system of voting.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:36 AM
Apr 2016

Moveon.org leaders have always been in the bag for Clinton.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
33. It's the Illuminati, you understand
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

They have rigged it. And the Skull and Bones society, too.

It's all a big con, see.

We can't win. They are watching. Shhhhh.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
28. My understanding is that the superdelegates are intended to be the adults in the room
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

So, let's assume neither candidate has enough pledged delegates. Then the super delegates go to work. They are supposed to know more than voters or pledged delegates. They are supposed to read the tea leaves on the political landscape. They are insiders. They are the Very Serious People.

That being the case, their support should not automatically fall to one candidate or the other. For example, they should be able to evaluate the following re Hillary:
FBI investigation
Corruption via Clinton Foundation
Wall Street speeches
Trade policy flip-flops (TPP, etc.)
Minimum wage pros and cons
Inability to tell the truth (Bosnia just one example)
Etc.

And they should be able to evaluate the following re Bernie:
Effect of "democratic socialism" in the GE
Bernie's record in the Senate
Bernie's lifetime support for civil rights
Etc.

Of course, that won't happen. Because, as this primary as revealed, the DNC and primaries are a hotbed of corruption, "insider trading" (so to speak), ineptitude, and more.

But, at this late date, it is what it is, and it's unlikely to change (too many vested interests). Sure, Bernie and his supporters must keep fighting. There is nothing to gain by dropping out or dialing back on the enthusiasm.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
30. Never in their entire history have the SDs overruled the voters
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:21 PM
Apr 2016

If Clinton has even 1 more delegate than Sanders, she wins the nomination, and vice versa.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
29. That doesn't mean that Sanders shouldn't be working...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

...to get as many Bernie pledged delegates and superdelegates to the convention as possible.

Even if they don't get enough Sanders' delegates there to nominate, the more there are, the better the chances are of effecting desperately needed changes in processes and platform.

The nomination is not the only thing decided at the convention.

Consider this (it gets more interesting as you read deeper)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1798895

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
31. But here we're talking about using SDs to overrule voter sentiment
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:24 PM
Apr 2016

Not the other stuff. Even his own allies are saying his "flip SD even if I finish second" is a dangerous road to travel down.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
32. If one of the candidates...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:43 PM
Apr 2016

... were suddenly embroiled in some kind of scandal, then I think "voter sentiment" would be calling for SDs to nominate the untainted candidate, even if that candidate had fewer pledged delegates.

Or if it became clear that the process for allocating delegates in a state was corrupt, then "voter sentiment" would be calling for SDs to weigh in and cancel out the effect.

I'm not saying either of these things are on the horizon, but shit does happen.

The way I read it, Sanders is making his case to the voters first. If it becomes clear that "voter sentiment" in July looks a lot different from the "sentiment" expressed by the pledged delegate allocation, any superdelegates who choose to align themselves with voter sentiment as they see it in July are doing the right thing.

Sticking to a "pledged delegate total or bust" position regardless of how conditions change is as unreasonable as sticking to a "bernie or bust" position regardless of how conditions change.

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