2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders won only 53 % of the 25 to 29-year-olds vote, compared to 81 % of 18-24 year olds
As in previous states this primary season, young people, ages 18-29, as a whole were more likely to support Senator Sanders (65%) than Secretary Clinton (35%). However, unlike in some previous states where Senator Sanders had overwhelming support from all youth under 30, in New York he fared much better with 18 to 24-year-olds, garnering 81% of their votes, than with 25 to 29-year-olds, who gave him just 53% support.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)factfinder_77
(841 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I wonder if they figured that part out.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Ain't gonna happen.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)Those under 30 made those over 65 irrelevant in 2012.
http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)IamMab
(1,359 posts)It was a cynical move on his campaign's part, but they needed a demographic that is easy to fool.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)No one wants to be called 'easy to fool'...it's fine to examine the strategy of the Sanders campaign in objective ways, but not to launch insults.
For instance, I do agree that he targeted those that are new to the political process who might not have the real world experience to see the trends in politics. A campaign similar to Sanders happens every generation. Politicians who normally would not be noticed or have mainstream support have figured out that focusing on college campuses with specific promises that appeal to young adults brings about large rallies. These crowds make it look like there is more public support than there actually is, and combining a campaign rally with a concert aids in the numbers. Older adults with jobs, families and other responsibilities are much less likely to go to a rally, so more established candidates look like they don't have the 'momentum'.
In Sanders' case, he was the first of these fringe candidates to really have the power of the internet behind him, which cannot be minimized. In addition, this all happened right when liberals have become overtly concerned about the conservative structured Citizens United ruling, rightly adding extra fuel to the fire.
However, being somewhat new to the system, young people may not realize the power of a president. We do not live in a dictatorship, so campaign promises do not translate directly to action once elected. The democratic process was designed to move slowly, so that every proposal is discussed ad nauseam by all levels of government, and then approved by each of these levels before becoming law. Particularly for progressives, this sluggishness is infuriating. Even at it's best, this democratic process means that progress is meant to be slow. Now days, with a 'just say no' congress, this can be especially frustrating, but if we look at it from the other side, it gives liberals a lot of ways to block legislation that we find offensive, even if we are in the minority in congress.
Older voters have a better understanding of the slow pace of progress, and know from experience that working with the system is necessary to getting anything accomplished. Ask your older friends who are interested in politics. Everyone has a story about when they were young and idealistic and spent a summer campaigning for Gary Hart, or Jessie Jackson, or Ralph Nader, or even Ross Perot. If these candidates had the same power of the internet, they might have had the same impact as the Sanders campaign. But as their supporters watched history play out, they have come to realize that we have to work within an incremental system, for better or worse. This is why older voters tend to support those that they think can be successful in a structure that won't change without major amendments to the constitution - and we all know how hard that would be.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)...a shill, a sell-out, a corrupt neoliberal, a warmonger, a plantation operator, an anti-Semite, a man-hater, Republican-Lite, and an anti-white bigot, among many others (toxic) things. While at the same time having it implied that I support foreign wars because it means "more dead brown people." (I guess they slept through Logic 101?) I've had to read over and over all the character attacks and personal insults leveled at my candidate, myself, and my fellow supporters, and it has destroyed any empathy I might be able to feel for the people who commit such behavior.
Kids have to grow up eventually, and one of the lessons they get to learn is that strangers don't have to put up with their bullshit the way their parents and family have to. I. Am. Done. Coddling.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)all liberals. They can be as vitriolic as they want, but to win we have to be nice enough that some of them might consider voting for the very person who they spent all that time demonizing. Clearly OP is not ready to forgive and forget yet (honestly, no smart person ever does this - it is important to keep the memories of who is truly trustworthy) but for others reading this thread - we have to be the adults...keep your eyes on the prize.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)And, she will need them all.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)smart, don't care or will sit out and whine about the rigged system.
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)MadBadger
(24,089 posts)Thats why they are attracted to Bernie.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)So, they will either vote for Trump, buying his lies, or sit out. Bad, either way.
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)I think a lot of young people will vote for Clinton because they want to. I also think a good amount of young people probably dont like Clinton, but recognize she is better and vote for her.
I don't see this scenario where they vote for Trump
You are not speaking to the right people.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)The young are voting their self interest. Like most people do.
The problem though is that free college will never happen, at least in the present times. The House with an historic 58-seat Republican majority will vote it down.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)And over half of the state legislatures are Republican-controlled.
George II
(67,782 posts)...voters is something completely different.