News Flash, Princess: I've thought about this for a long time, done lots of research, and came to the conclusion that Sanders is a very poor candidate who does not represent my views and is incapable of executing his promises.

You may have a different opinion, but that doesn't mean that you're a idiot incapable of thinking. We simply disagree.

Some low count insult merchant who doesn't contribute to the dialog will not be missed.

You vote for HER, you're voting for TPP and MORE social security cuts and fracking and....I could go on - a whole laundry list of Republican policies.

Does she SAY that? NO. Not now. But she did before and she will again. And what she DOES and did (ie: her RECORD) belies anything she says now. She actively supported ALL these things in the past and will again. And others, such as the head of the US CoC say it - she WILL support TPP once elected. What? It's "not that bad"? Or, "Oh, SHE'LL fix it."

Really? It's wise not to listen to anything a politician SAYS but instead look at what they DO - their voting record - and where they're getting MONEY from. Looking at that in re: Clinton (either of them) and it looks pretty bad, actually. And where oh WHERE is that brand of "rational thought"? Because I see little of it from HRC supporters in that regard right now.

Ms. "Say A and DO B after I'm elected" is a problem. Politicians like her are why the US is an oligarchy now and why the Democratic Party sold out the 99% and the middle class decades ago - back when the first Clinton was President. Ye olde bait and switch. Get the working masses to support you by pretending to work for them then pivot once in office to being a corporate/Wall St. puppet.

I'm sorry but it's how we GOT here.

As for 'rational thought' I'm sure every HRC supporter is capable of it. It seems they have a YUUGE blind spot where their gal is concerned. And/or maybe they choose to flip the 'rational thought' switch off for her for various possible reasons.

The "logic" is otherwise inexplicable.

Oh you can bet your ass I'll vote for her. But reluctantly because I HAVE to, or risk Hair Trumpenfuhrer. And that, given that we have a much more progressive candidate who we know absolutely will NOT support the TPP, cutting social security, or fracking, is pretty damn SAD.

I'm old enough to remember what the Democratic Party USED to stand for. Simply, they just don't anymore. Eiesenhower was more liberal than Democrats are now. And somebody ought to get a big ol CLUE about why that is and WTH happened.

Instead it's just more blind-spot support of the status-quo, bait and switch 1960s Republicans calling themselves Democrats.

Hoo boy.

Don't talk to me about 'rational thought' - that went out the window with too many people a long time ago.

It's a known FACT that:

• International trade agreements often are beneficial to all countries involved.
  
• Fracking in the US has had an enormous positive impact on our energy profile and our international involvement in conflicts

I am not sure i can make myself do that at this point

Self-righteousness may make you feel better about yourself, but so will a lot of things that are more pleasant.

She is very likely our next POTUS, and doing a little homework might actually alleviate some of your concerns.

Her policies and record are precisely why we oppose her nomination. They are the source of our concerns, not a panacea for them.

I've done my research. Have you done yours?

For instance ...

Think about that for a minute.

It's his "goddamn duty" to fall in line behind the annointed Leader, regardless of whether it's the right thing to do or not. History tells us how well that usually works out.

That's exactly why I support Hillary.

You may not like her positions or in some cases her lack of positions on your pet issue.
However she can lay out how she intends to meet her goals.

She's been an effective and competent leader in Washington and in the Democratic Party.

What you describe as just get the win. I call that don't
go backwards.

I remember the world wide paranoia and the impossibility of finding a job during the 12 years of Reagan/Bush

Then Bill Clinton got elected.
He wasn't a progressive champion. He was an effective competent center left president.
Over his 8 years we got out of the economic hole we'd been in.

In 2000 Nader claimed that there wasn't a dimes worth of difference between Gore and Bush.
I'm not going to get into a debate of whether or not Nader cost Gore the election but I am going to point
out that it didn't help in a country where a shameful number of people don't vote
that Ralph in all his idealistic purity kept making that claim.
Turned out Ralphs claim was so much bullshit.

So we elected Dubya.
Democrats were depressed but the ones I knew just decided to monkey down and grit our teeth thru Dubyas term.
After all he was the village idiot. No way he'd win a second term.

But reality can be surprising and then came 9-11 and everything changed.
And when I say everything changed I mean the GOP had a 1 size fits all issue to bully slime and persecute anybody who even
pretended to push back.

Now we've almost 8 years of Obama. He's done remarkably well considering what he's had to work with.
We're still not out of the hole that the wars cost.
In the main things are better. Unemployment is easing.

Now we have Bernie who wants to set the world to rights.
He's not a Democrat except for the purpose of running for president.
He's been in Washington 25 years without much to show for it.
He has been very loud about how both parties suck and there's not much
difference between the 2.
When asked direct questions about how he's get his agenda passed he gets kind of vague.

Bernie is pure but I don't see lack of compromise or a workable plan as a bad thing.
Purity as a wrapper for failure or ineffectiveness doesn't appeal to me.
He keeps bringing up how things should be. And he's right. They should be that way
but in reality that's not how they are and just saying that over and over at ever louder volumes isn't going
to actually fix anything.

I'm not willing to risk losing the gains we've made since 08 by buying into Bernies angry all or nothing right now message.

My biggest concern about Bernie is that he'd be ineffective.
In the current political climate IMHO an ineffective Democratic president would be
almost as bad as a Republican President.

I often wonder what these folks have accomplished with their lives that they can arrogate to themselves the perspicacity they deny to others.

They must be really accomplished.

Read that again - and YOU got it.

After that is just a bunch of wasted space.