2016 Postmortem
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Soon after Sen. Bernie Sanders was declared the loser in the New York Democratic presidential primary on Tuesday night, his campaign manager Jeff Weaver was on MSNBC explaining the path ahead for the independent socialist from Vermont. Weaver contended, optimistically, that Sanders could potentially win all the remaining contests. When pressed on what the campaign would do should Sanders end up second to Hillary Clinton in the delegate hunt, Weaver said the campaign would spend the weeks between the final primary in early June and the Democratic convention in late July trying to flip the super-delegates who have declared their loyalty to Clinton.
To some, this might seem fanciful. Would Democratic officials throw Clinton to the curb in favor of the second-place guy who has never been a member of the Democratic Party? And would Sanders, the champion of small-d democracy and the scourge of machine politics, really turn to the equivalent of party bosses to secure the nomination after losing the popular vote?
Weaver justified this possible strategy by insisting that Sanders is the Democratic candidate better situated to win in the November general election. Sanders, he argued, has more appeal with independents and younger voters and generates more enthusiasm. Polls, Weaver continued, show Sanders faring better in the fall face-off than Clinton. So Weaver indicated Sanders would slog on and put aside for now (and at least until the convention) any effort to unite the party.
The polls do say what Weaver suggested. According to Real Clear Politics' average of recent polls, Sanders performs better than Clinton in hypothetical general-election matchups. Against Donald Trump, Sanders leads by 15 points, Clinton by 9. Against Ted Cruz, Sanders wins by 11 points, Clinton by 2. Many Bernie-ites point to these numbers and confidently declare: Case closed!
Does that settle it? Is it reason enough for Weaver to say essentially that Sanders must win the nomination by any means necessary for the good of the party?
Maybe not. There is one missing factor in these polls, and it might be huge. Sanders has yet to face a true negative ad campaign aimed at destroying his public image. Were he to be the Democratic nominee, he would be confronted with hundreds of millions of dollars in negative ads designed to rip him apart. And everyone knows what that pummeling would focus on: He's a self-proclaimed socialist.
More: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/sanders-socialism-and-myth-november-polls
apnu
(8,756 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)He rarely seems to "go along with the crowd" which is why, IMHO, he is well respected.
His criticisms of Sanders, by the way, appear more tactical than they do aimed at blasting him for daring to challenge the Anointed One.
Sanders carries a lot of baggage AND the majority of US voters really aren't paying all that much attention to the campaign. There is lots to nit-pick about in the article but why bother? Hillary will win (the smart money is on her) or Bernie will. Either way the GOPukes will be frothing at the mouth with lies and deceit no matter who is our standard bearer.
My only caveat is that the fact that Sanders can make a reasonable case for a strategy that might gain him the nomination after all is said and done tells me Hillary is a much weaker candidate than the pundits and others foresaw. Someone wrote a while back that it was embarrassing that Hillary could be knocked around so well by a balding old Jew from Vermont.
The powers-that-be in the Democratic Party should be sitting up and paying attention.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)gain him the nomination after all is said and done."
There is no such strategy. Sanders needs a major miracle to win the primary voting. If he gets it he's the nominee. If he loses the primary voting then he's not.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'm sure that the Bernie fans here would be very disappointed to discover that in REAL LIFE there is no "Alert Button" that they could click which would automatically shut down the brutal ads from a well-funded GOP attack machine.
Keep in mind that Hillary has SURVIVED all these many years of attacks, and here she is anyway. Keep in mind that her current poll numbers and delegate counts and endorsements and total votes ALREADY INCLUDE the effect of those ongoing attacks.
Bernie? Well, his "approval ratings" and "hypothetical matchup" numbers DO NOT INCLUDE the effects of what a relentless GOP attack machine could throw at him.
Everything about Bernie would be fair game. EVERYTHING. And that includes all the "forbidden" and "taboo" topics that are regularly hidden here. Whether it's his beliefs, his words, his WRITINGS, his TRAVELS, his BOOKS, his religion, his children and family life (and you KNOW they'd go there) ... Bernie hasn't had to deal with all that, and it would knock him off his game.
Mother Jones has NAILED IT with this one!
JohnnyRingo
(18,633 posts)The article considers what would happen if a self proclaimed Socialist faces a billion dollar smear campaign from the GOP. I'm sure Bernie supporters see his Socialist cred as a plus, but what about the country in general?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I must have posted that a hundred times on this site. I dont think any Bernie supporter ever understood it.