Maybe then they would get some of that sweet, sweet 'Not Hillary' Party cash and not be so totally broke.

You all can't seem to understand our disdain for your side. It's pretty well explained here. But, hey. Attack the messenger. Who is a Democrat.

Nope.

Salon is becoming the left-wing World News Daily.

you don't read an article because of a headline, comment on the article none the less, and call people with differing opinions on the left the equivalent of World News Daily? Sorry, but that article was written for you. You, of all people, need to read it and at least show that you can have a discussion about these things. It isn't beneath you to engage left wing critics of her, and you should stop pretending that everything is baseless, unless you can prove it is baseless.

in which altering points of view are silenced, and the peasants bow down, submit, and obey. They can't grasp that we don't wish to be ruled, but prefer governance that promotes egalitarianism and justice, not a culture of greed and corruption.

Using her gender as an excuse to bolster corporate control over American life just sickens me. I would have loved to have seen Elizabeth Warren or another progressive female win the nomination & the White House, but HRC is a giant step backwards for America, and I can't in good conscience support her or what she stands for.

I fully understand backing a candidate, I can't fathom their penchant to always pretend that engaging in these discussions is just beneath them. My father is a right winger, and when we debate and I have facts to back my arguments up, his typical response is to question the source. I have been told that organizations like the IMF are leftist because they sometimes do things like critique austerity (which they support in practice). It isn't any different with the Hillary crowd. Support her, fine, but show that you can engage with her left of center critics with some thought and objectivity. It really does come across as having an authoritarian personality.

is a boil on their asses, and hurts to sit upon.

Fashion advice like don't wear a belt if you have wider hips. Or suggesting that Democratic voters want her to be queen.

It's not a discussion piece. It's an ill conceived temper tantrum. Cult this, queen that. She's just like Tricky Dick Nixon.

There's nothing to refute because it's just a screed of whatever tripe ran across Paige's brain.

Criticism based on real policy issues are one thing. But this isn't one. I see lots of Sanders supporters here get offended at being called Bernie Bros. How is this any different?

It's obvious you can't respond to anything in the article, and it isn't like it is an award winning and complex article. If you could respond with something of substance, you would.

and suits you perfectly.

Brew tea with that.

If she's ever had a good thing to say about her I haven't heard it. She and Maureen Dowd are in the same little club. Hate strong women.

To have a dialogue. When you start a conversation you don't start with insults

Salon is a damn joke now.

Lapsed long, long ago.

Those jerks

Good work..

I'm trash then. Because I believe that many of you fall into this category.

as a human being is certainly something you're entitled to under the first amendment.

But, personal hatred is irrelevant to discussions of policies etc so it's unclear who--besides other Hillary Haters--would find any value in this dreck.

You think it is beneath you to engage with left of center critics of her. You overlook the things the article mentions for no good reason. I think Sanders supporters aren't nearly as frustrated with her as they are her supporters because you all, for months now, have refused to have adult conversations about these things. It is doubly confusing, given that these critiques ARE from the left and are grounded in reality. When we critique her taking money from corporate interests, we can point to actual policies she and her husband have supported and we have proven that they have had negative impacts on working people. If you can make a good case and argue against the critiques, cool, but simply pretending that it is beneath you to engage her critics comes across as you not having a good response, and looks like you are incapable of defending her. Isn't much different than what I saw with Bush supporters during his presidency.

I learned that Ms. Paglia believes Secretary Clinton has a goiter:

any adults around that want to say something of substance, for once?

DemocratSinceBirth didn't make disparaging remarks about Secretary Clinton's physique, Ms. Paglia did:

Well done sir. Look at the shiny object over there!

Maybe she believes women presidential candidates should like runway models. I don't know.

You've covered that one comment a lot, so point for you on that. She expects a runway model for president (head slap). Now that that is settled, the actual substance of the article?

I will eschew the highfalutin language which has become my calling card on this board and use the idiomatic English I use everywhere else.

Paglia implied she's fat and has a goiter that's repulsive to look at. Shiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttt, goiters are ugly to look at. I guess she thinks female presidential candidates should look like runway models.

Oh, diminishing transgender rights was fricken low.

SWORN Superdelegtes is a big shot lobbyist for the Private Prison Sector.

So I won't call her Queenie, any more, or make my jibes about the fact that when someone sells you out, and also sells out those policies that were once claimed to be their higher principles, maybe they have prostituted themselves (and I say the same thing about formerly liberal, now neo con "D" male politicians too!) so I guess I will just call her Madame Super Warden.

If you read the article she also thinks she's a physician. She says Secretary Clinton has a goiter. Isn't she charming?

Saying that the motivations of Birthers are not entirely due to racism is not agreeing with the claims.

She is not a birther. The quote doesn't indicate her belief of any kind in the nonsense.

makes her a birther.

Damn how low will the Hillary haters go?

her because she is white.

to take their act elsewhere and leave this place to the actual Democrats and progressives.

Maybe you all should try finding out what Dinesh D'Souza has to say about Hillary. I bet you'd agree with it.

There are MANY of us equally confused by support for her.

But then again, Sanders fans have had some strange bedfellows this primary. So maybe not a surprise?

Birtherism!

If she is a birther and you want to claim that this article is equally as irrational, it should be no problem for you to prove the contents of the article wrong. So, have at it. I have been begging you people to do this for months, and none of you can or will. So, if she is such a joke then this article should be low hanging fruit. The floor is yours.

Ah, here it is. Hillary Clinton supporters in 2008.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/

for using medical marijuana.

Many things, confusing are.

if you don't understand.

It doesn't mean everyone else is stupid and crazy because they aren't part of the Hillary Hate Party.

His supporters behave far more like obsessed fans than any Hillary Clinton supporters. The whole thing about the bird is evidence of that, as are the dolls, creepy drawings and numerous other things.

DID SOMEONE REQUEST SOME SONGS?

I didn't catch the worship service time though

So congrats,I guess.

SMH

I voted for Clinton because her policies and positions are the most sensible, that's all.

Once the primary is over, if Mrs. Clinton wins, Republicans won't be able to hide in Bernie Sanders social media

or person. She is a Bernie supporter!

Interesting.

I wouldn't say I always agree with her, but she does make you think about things.

Mewling authoritarians gonna' mewl.

I think she is insulting and not very enlightening. I have not read anything from her in years.

everything else. Refusing to listen to other opinions. . . and then, they are just exactly the same. There's a word for that, Hypocrisy.

Right? I don't read her shit either. Look her up.

because real liberals are not fans.

but it is possible to read someone's work, and even agree with some of the points made, without being a "fan." That is what critical thinking is used for.

I was mildly interested in her in my youth...and then that went away. Just not happening. So no amount of rudeness will give me the desire to read her. Hint: If you would like to encourage someone to read something, when they have stated a dislike for the author, it might be a good idea not to be rude and nasty about. You know that saying, you catch more flies with honey....

For one, it helps me understand their arguments if I need to debunk them in the future. For another, sometimes they make good points even if I disagree with their overall conclusions.

Disregarding an author's arguments simply because of dislike for the author is antithetical to critical thinking. And critical thinking is much more important that devotion to a personality.

something that may be correct, I don't think I could believe her. So no, you haven't convinced me to give it a go, but I appreciate the try.

OK, maybe later, but it will have to wait for later, I'll bookmark it. You are good You don't let go ....I'm on the other side of the pond and my pillow is calling me. Nighty night

Stupid column from a stupid writer. More Salon click bait.

Thinking that one person can make all the changes we've thirsted for all these decades, a man who has fewer endorsements than Ted Cruz -TED FUCKING CRUZ, for Christ's sake!- a man who does not work well with others, whose supporters go ga-ga over a bird landing on his podium, who can't state how his opponent is corrupt, who joined a different party so he could run for President, who has no plans for how to implement his fine agenda -THAT'S NOT A CULT???
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

If I wanted to I could pull up some of the horrid crap she says. But I won't--You know she's always been a libertarian darling--didn't realize she was a democrat all of a sudden.

H.A. Goodman

Nothing more/ nothing less.

iows - She is just a common variety grifter.

To be Hillary. I think you are trolling a Democratic site. True Dems will vote for the nominee.

A long resume doesn't mean jack when you were bad at your jobs.

Congressman from Texas
Chief of the Liaison Office in Beijing (before diplomatic relations were reinstated)
Head of the CIA
Vice President

Pretty impressive, no?

Far too many referring to her as queen referred to Obama as Messiah-- both pejoratives equal in their petulance, lack of substance and an accurate illustration of mental vacuousness.

(insert distinction lacking difference below to maintain pretense of rational thought and objectivity)

Sweet Jesus. The feminist who hates feminists. Well if you're proud of this you just go on with your bad self.

kind of funny to see how stirred up they're getting here.

It isn't fun when someone makes so many muck-level attacks all at once, is it? It just seems unfair, not to mention unwise, to attempt to delegitimize not only a candidate, but that candidate's supporters, doesn't it? I'm glad you finally get it... though I expect you'll forget this lesson the instant you hear the word 'Pope'.

Look her up. Read some of her shit.

She's making gutter level attacks on your candidate that you can't outright refute, because there's nothing to actually refute. It's all slime, spin, and speculation. We've seen the same sort of attacks directed at Sanders by Hillary surrogates repeatedly-- and you know this, because you've participated in them.

I'm not defending Paglia. I'm saying you can't legitimately criticize her tactics.

I'd read H.A.Goodman with more seriousness than I read her.

So, let me ask you something, criticizing Sanders is all "slime and interpretation", but a nutjob like Pagila requires one to "outright refute" her?

nothing to refute. She speculates that Hillary has goiter, for instance, and says that the person she claims is her doctor is obviously not her doctor. Well, what do you do with that? It's just a few insults and smears all bundled up in a ball of shit and hurled at you. She'd love it if you spent your time trying to refute it, in fact. And she'll just laugh off the explanation, repeat it, and add a new accusation.

But as I said, that same sort of attack has been the stock and trade of many Clinton surrogates, so they can't really complain about this with any degree of legitimacy.

She's a partisan who writes pro-Bernie stories, so why doesn't that matter when her views are skewed in his favor? Did you see the gist of her anti-Hillary articles?

In her previous efforts she paises Trump's "fearless candor and brash energy feel like a great gust of fresh air," and reminds everyone that she is "a fervent supporter of the ruggedly honest and principled Bernie Sanders". The importance of those words matter when this author finds cause to glorify a man like Trump over the Democratic frontrunner in an attempt to promote Sander's flagging candidacy. This isn't her first effort, Paglia has written many articles pushing Sanders as her favorite candidate and lambasting Clinton for everything but waning moon phases.

You may share her views, but that's not something to boast about.

For the second time today, I am completely appalled.

I wish I didn't have to.

She is the oft quoted darling of unhinged Right Wingers. The lack of substance in this article is another reason why.

whereby someone avoids the substance of an argument by attacking the character of the author.

Paglia's retrogressive views on a variety of progressive issues, her Right Wing adherents and her inability to produce credible supporting arguments have been noted. Apparently those are interpreted by you as as her having a poor character. Since you bring that up, I will agree with you.

or in denial, out of touch with reality, etc.

T.R.A.N.S.F.E.R.E.N.C.E.

And Paglia? LOL.

Hillary's gender is about 5% of why I support her candidacy. Worshipping her as a queen?