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Video: Paul Wellstone on Bipartisan Corruption.....I guess he's "smearing" too (Original Post) Armstead Apr 2016 OP
He was taken too soon TrueDemVA Apr 2016 #1
Wellstone also believed John Kerry to be one of the most honest people in DC, and I blm Apr 2016 #2
I posted that to show that pointing out the systemic nature of corruption.... Armstead Apr 2016 #4
And my response was to note that, even here at DU, posters can be blm Apr 2016 #31
And this is before all of the big speech and consultng money... What a loss... Skwmom Apr 2016 #3
Did Paul Wellstone ever accuse the likely Democratic nominee of breaking federal law? nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #5
He might well, if he were running for president today against Clinton Armstead Apr 2016 #6
Paul Wellstone never resorted to that kind of crap. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #7
He was nice but tough Armstead Apr 2016 #8
anyone who runs for president is going to take incoming fire. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #9
She tried both those lines of attack for goodness sake. Kentonio Apr 2016 #12
getting rid of Obamacare is a lot different than taking geek tragedy Apr 2016 #17
Not really, they tried to sell it as 'Bernie will take away your healthcare!'. Kentonio Apr 2016 #18
No, most people don't get coverage from Obamacare, they get it through geek tragedy Apr 2016 #19
Maybe you should read Chelsea's speech again.. Kentonio Apr 2016 #20
one speech by Chelsea does not equal an all out media blitz. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #21
That Whooosh! y'all heard... ljm2002 Apr 2016 #28
no, 99.999% of the population has never heard anything that geek tragedy Apr 2016 #29
99.999% eh? I think you might be underestimating how many people watch the news Kentonio Apr 2016 #34
And why is it that Wellstone can say things that when Bernie says them he is branded as awful? Armstead Apr 2016 #10
That was Rudy Boschwitz, not a fellow Democrat. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #16
Take yes for an answer...I told you I don't agree with the suit Armstead Apr 2016 #22
Dick Durbin famously said the banks own the Senate. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #24
As one who also worked the neighborhoods and phone banks for Wellstone ruled Apr 2016 #30
The OP is disgusting. Paul Wellstone not only worked within the party, he brought young adults KittyWampus Apr 2016 #13
Who said this? (Hint, it wasn't Sanders) Armstead Apr 2016 #23
Paul Wellstone was one of the DEMOCRATS Sanders slandered. Sanders didn't qualify his attacks. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #11
And if Wellstone had dared to challenge Clinton he'd be called a disloyal Democrat or something Armstead Apr 2016 #14
That's your own made-up nonsense to try and puff up Sanders. KittyWampus Apr 2016 #15
Kittywampus bullshit countered by Sanders' own words. Karmadillo Apr 2016 #32
Bullshit, Wellstone joined the Progressive Caucus Bernie helped found jfern Apr 2016 #33
Hi is Sooo missed. pat_k Apr 2016 #25
Support wellstone.org pat_k Apr 2016 #26
Imagine if he could read DU today, and dems supporting hawks and crooks. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #27

blm

(113,063 posts)
2. Wellstone also believed John Kerry to be one of the most honest people in DC, and I
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:31 PM
Apr 2016

also clearly remember most of those here at DU who called themselves 'progressive left' to be fully against Kerry throughout the 2003-4 primary.

Some people make claims while others LIVE them.

Wellstone and Kerry have long been two of the most respected lawmakers I have known…..STILL.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
4. I posted that to show that pointing out the systemic nature of corruption....
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:34 PM
Apr 2016

is something that people like Sanders and Wellstone have been talking about for years, long before the current primary.

blm

(113,063 posts)
31. And my response was to note that, even here at DU, posters can be
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:32 PM
Apr 2016

easily mislead by polemicists.

There isn't a lawmaker alive in DC with a greater record of investigating and exposing government corruption than John Kerry, but, almost on a daily basis I read from some here that Kerry is establishment and part of the corrupt system - completely mindless of the fact that they would be unable to name anyone in DC today who has effected this nation's ACTUAL HISTORIC RECORD more positively than Kerry.

Many people here claim to be against corruption then prove they have no idea who has actually been on the forefront of those battles. Including on campaign finance.

So….basically….they prove they are NOT as serious about it as they want to believe, or that they want others to believe.

Not you, Armstead….but…many recent members who've taken their ignorant potshots at Kerry……as if he was somehow NEVER worthy of their consideration.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. Paul Wellstone never resorted to that kind of crap.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

I volunteered on his re-election campaign against Rudy Boschwitz. It was ALWAYS about ideas and values with him, none of this bullshit of accusing his opponent of being a law-breaker and then trying to raise money off that accusation.

Nicest human being ever.

Bernie Sanders is not and will never be in his league.

I really do not appreciate trying to use Wellstone like this.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
8. He was nice but tough
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

And if he were running for president today I can almost guarantee that different versions of the same things being done against Sanders would be aimed at him.

But FYI, I'm not in favor of Sanders suit, regardless of whether or not it has merits.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. anyone who runs for president is going to take incoming fire.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:19 PM
Apr 2016

that's what they sign up for

Sanders has gotten off pretty lightly in that regard. Clinton has gone out of her way to only attack him from the left. There are plenty of tough but in-bounds attacks from the right that could be made (take away everyone's employer-based coverage, tax increases, etc) that have not, let alone the Dukakising that could go on.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
12. She tried both those lines of attack for goodness sake.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

Or have you already forgotten the earlier part of the campaign? Bringing Chelsea out to accuse him of wanting to abolish Obamacare, and all the crap about raising taxes on the middle class.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. getting rid of Obamacare is a lot different than taking
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

away employer-based coverage.

By several multiples.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
18. Not really, they tried to sell it as 'Bernie will take away your healthcare!'.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

They weren't subtle about it.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
20. Maybe you should read Chelsea's speech again..
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016
"Sen. Sanders wants to dismantle Obamacare, dismantle the CHIP program, dismantle Medicare, and dismantle private insurance," she said, according to MSNBC. "I worry if we give Republicans Democratic permission to do that, we’ll go back to an era—before we had the Affordable Care Act—that would strip millions and millions and millions of people off their health insurance."


http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/01/chelsea-clinton-bernie-sanders-universal-health-care-plan
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. no, 99.999% of the population has never heard anything that
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

Chelsea Clinton has said about Sanders.

in a general election, everyone would know about losing their employer coverage while seeing their taxes getting jacked up.

The Republicans aren't good at much, but they're very good at smearing liberals.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
10. And why is it that Wellstone can say things that when Bernie says them he is branded as awful?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:20 PM
Apr 2016

If you were working for him, maybe you remember this...The kind of talk that peope says is "smearing" and negative attacks" when Sanders says them.

http://www.wellstone.org/legacy/speeches/campaign-speech-money-and-politics-1990


And most importantly, money corrupts the process. This is a much more serious corruption than the wrong doing of a single individual. This is the kind of corruption which results in too few people having too much wealth, power and say and too many people being denied a voice. It is a politics of democracy for the few, not democracy for the many.

Money, all too often, determines who runs for office. Should a person have to be a millionaire to run for the U.S. Senate? Money, all too often, determines what both Democrats and Republicans have to say on the issues for fear of offending big contributors. Should a candidate mortgage his or her vision to the wealthy and powerful and privileged? Money, all too often, determines how our elected officials spend their time in Washington....

This campaign will be rooted in the people of Minnesota. It will be a colorful, exciting, progressive, and populist campaign. The focus will be on where and how Rudy Boschwitz and Paul Wellstone raise money and the way sources of funding affect our positions on the issues.

The focus will be on Rudy Boschwitz's voting record on the issues (not just electioneering votes before election time) that crucially affect the quality of Minnesotans lives and the focus will be on what kind of Senator and leader Paul Wellstone would be, my position on the issues, my vision for the future.

Let the people decide - that is true democracy. But let’s make sure there is a true choice and that people have a clear understanding of where the candidates stand. Money need not dominate politics in Minnesota. And I aim to prove my point in November, 1990. Minnesotans are ready for an issue-oriented campaign.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. That was Rudy Boschwitz, not a fellow Democrat.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016

And he didn't accuse Boschwitz of breaking the law, only to then turn around and raise money off that bogus accusation.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
22. Take yes for an answer...I told you I don't agree with the suit
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:23 PM
Apr 2016

Now, can you imagine if Wellstone were campaigning in a primary today and was saying the things below, what the reaction would be? He'd be castigated for being a disloyal Democrat, attacking the party, wanting "ponies", etc.

Quite often, it’s important as a senator to take on vested power. I think this is where the Democratic Party is weakest. On large questions dealing with power in America, on “class issues,” most Democrats are nowhere to be found. When it comes to funding for Head Start, affordable child care, more investments in job training, housing, health, and education, the differences between Democrats and Republicans make a difference. But not when it comes to challenging economic power in America. The same powerful investors control both parties. I hate saying this–it is the most discouraging thing about being a senator–but it is a reality.
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Too many Democrats learned the wrong lessons from the 1993-1994 health care battle. They think the only way to go is in small steps acceptable to vested health care interests. The truth is we need bold proposals that will really help poor people and that an aroused public will fight for.
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My trips to Washington, D.C., [in 1990] as the Democratic candidate from Minnesota were a disaster. I met with Senator John Breaux, chair of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), and explained to him how we would win: an all-out grassroots campaign in an old green bus, lots of volunteers, cafe politics, populist economics, and campaigning against big-money politics. John (whom I like and whose company I enjoy) wanted to know how much money I had raised. That was the end of the conversation.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
24. Dick Durbin famously said the banks own the Senate.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:31 PM
Apr 2016

politicians don't attend fundraisers or talk to donors on the phone because they enjoy it.

it's a classic damned if you do, damned if you don't

if it was easy to just not fundraise and run on what the people want, everyone would do it.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
30. As one who also worked the neighborhoods and phone banks for
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

Paul,agree 100% with your thread. The one thing we shall never forget was the selection of Ann Winnie over Wellstone as our nominee. Went head to head with many on the DFL Central Committer at the time,the so called Status Quo cost our state that Senate Seat. A certain couple from a Law Firm told us shut up we are the King Makers and you so called delegates are of no significance.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
13. The OP is disgusting. Paul Wellstone not only worked within the party, he brought young adults
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

into it via Camp Wellstone.

He is one of the Democrats doing good work that Sanders SLANDERED over these many years.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
23. Who said this? (Hint, it wasn't Sanders)
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016
Quite often, it’s important as a senator to take on vested power. I think this is where the Democratic Party is weakest. On large questions dealing with power in America, on “class issues,” most Democrats are nowhere to be found. When it comes to funding for Head Start, affordable child care, more investments in job training, housing, health, and education, the differences between Democrats and Republicans make a difference. But not when it comes to challenging economic power in America. The same powerful investors control both parties. I hate saying this–it is the most discouraging thing about being a senator–but it is a reality.
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Too many Democrats learned the wrong lessons from the 1993-1994 health care battle. They think the only way to go is in small steps acceptable to vested health care interests. The truth is we need bold proposals that will really help poor people and that an aroused public will fight for.
-------------------------
My trips to Washington, D.C., [in 1990] as the Democratic candidate from Minnesota were a disaster. I met with Senator John Breaux, chair of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), and explained to him how we would win: an all-out grassroots campaign in an old green bus, lots of volunteers, cafe politics, populist economics, and campaigning against big-money politics. John (whom I like and whose company I enjoy) wanted to know how much money I had raised. That was the end of the conversation.
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
11. Paul Wellstone was one of the DEMOCRATS Sanders slandered. Sanders didn't qualify his attacks.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:21 PM
Apr 2016

All those years, Sanders attacked the entirety of the Democratic Party. Including Paul Wellstone.

Sanders isn't fit to kiss Wellstone's shoes.

Senator Wellstone WORKED WITHIN THE PARTY.

And Paul Wellstone GOT YOUNG ADULTS INTO PARTY POLITICS AT CAMP WELLSTONE.

Your OP is disgusting.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
14. And if Wellstone had dared to challenge Clinton he'd be called a disloyal Democrat or something
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

"That Wellstone...look what he claims about the Democratic Party being corrupt. he's attacking all Democrats and smearing Clinton."

(er, I assume you did actually watch that video, right?)

I'm sure awful things would be created. It IS a pattern.

Democrats used to LOVE Bernie when he was safely off in the corner....But he became THE WORST PERSON ION THE WORLD as soon as he entered the primary.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
15. That's your own made-up nonsense to try and puff up Sanders.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders slandered ALL Democrats for decades.

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