2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumVideo: Paul Wellstone on Bipartisan Corruption.....I guess he's "smearing" too
https://vimeo.com/85931972TrueDemVA
(250 posts)I believe his spirit is alive in this primary.
blm
(113,063 posts)also clearly remember most of those here at DU who called themselves 'progressive left' to be fully against Kerry throughout the 2003-4 primary.
Some people make claims while others LIVE them.
Wellstone and Kerry have long been two of the most respected lawmakers I have known
..STILL.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)is something that people like Sanders and Wellstone have been talking about for years, long before the current primary.
blm
(113,063 posts)easily mislead by polemicists.
There isn't a lawmaker alive in DC with a greater record of investigating and exposing government corruption than John Kerry, but, almost on a daily basis I read from some here that Kerry is establishment and part of the corrupt system - completely mindless of the fact that they would be unable to name anyone in DC today who has effected this nation's ACTUAL HISTORIC RECORD more positively than Kerry.
Many people here claim to be against corruption then prove they have no idea who has actually been on the forefront of those battles. Including on campaign finance.
So
.basically
.they prove they are NOT as serious about it as they want to believe, or that they want others to believe.
Not you, Armstead
.but
many recent members who've taken their ignorant potshots at Kerry
as if he was somehow NEVER worthy of their consideration.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I volunteered on his re-election campaign against Rudy Boschwitz. It was ALWAYS about ideas and values with him, none of this bullshit of accusing his opponent of being a law-breaker and then trying to raise money off that accusation.
Nicest human being ever.
Bernie Sanders is not and will never be in his league.
I really do not appreciate trying to use Wellstone like this.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)And if he were running for president today I can almost guarantee that different versions of the same things being done against Sanders would be aimed at him.
But FYI, I'm not in favor of Sanders suit, regardless of whether or not it has merits.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that's what they sign up for
Sanders has gotten off pretty lightly in that regard. Clinton has gone out of her way to only attack him from the left. There are plenty of tough but in-bounds attacks from the right that could be made (take away everyone's employer-based coverage, tax increases, etc) that have not, let alone the Dukakising that could go on.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Or have you already forgotten the earlier part of the campaign? Bringing Chelsea out to accuse him of wanting to abolish Obamacare, and all the crap about raising taxes on the middle class.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)away employer-based coverage.
By several multiples.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)They weren't subtle about it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)their employers.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/01/chelsea-clinton-bernie-sanders-universal-health-care-plan
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...was the sound of the goal posts whizzing by.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Chelsea Clinton has said about Sanders.
in a general election, everyone would know about losing their employer coverage while seeing their taxes getting jacked up.
The Republicans aren't good at much, but they're very good at smearing liberals.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)If you were working for him, maybe you remember this...The kind of talk that peope says is "smearing" and negative attacks" when Sanders says them.
http://www.wellstone.org/legacy/speeches/campaign-speech-money-and-politics-1990
Money, all too often, determines who runs for office. Should a person have to be a millionaire to run for the U.S. Senate? Money, all too often, determines what both Democrats and Republicans have to say on the issues for fear of offending big contributors. Should a candidate mortgage his or her vision to the wealthy and powerful and privileged? Money, all too often, determines how our elected officials spend their time in Washington....
This campaign will be rooted in the people of Minnesota. It will be a colorful, exciting, progressive, and populist campaign. The focus will be on where and how Rudy Boschwitz and Paul Wellstone raise money and the way sources of funding affect our positions on the issues.
The focus will be on Rudy Boschwitz's voting record on the issues (not just electioneering votes before election time) that crucially affect the quality of Minnesotans lives and the focus will be on what kind of Senator and leader Paul Wellstone would be, my position on the issues, my vision for the future.
Let the people decide - that is true democracy. But lets make sure there is a true choice and that people have a clear understanding of where the candidates stand. Money need not dominate politics in Minnesota. And I aim to prove my point in November, 1990. Minnesotans are ready for an issue-oriented campaign.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)And he didn't accuse Boschwitz of breaking the law, only to then turn around and raise money off that bogus accusation.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Now, can you imagine if Wellstone were campaigning in a primary today and was saying the things below, what the reaction would be? He'd be castigated for being a disloyal Democrat, attacking the party, wanting "ponies", etc.
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Too many Democrats learned the wrong lessons from the 1993-1994 health care battle. They think the only way to go is in small steps acceptable to vested health care interests. The truth is we need bold proposals that will really help poor people and that an aroused public will fight for.
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My trips to Washington, D.C., [in 1990] as the Democratic candidate from Minnesota were a disaster. I met with Senator John Breaux, chair of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), and explained to him how we would win: an all-out grassroots campaign in an old green bus, lots of volunteers, cafe politics, populist economics, and campaigning against big-money politics. John (whom I like and whose company I enjoy) wanted to know how much money I had raised. That was the end of the conversation.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)politicians don't attend fundraisers or talk to donors on the phone because they enjoy it.
it's a classic damned if you do, damned if you don't
if it was easy to just not fundraise and run on what the people want, everyone would do it.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Paul,agree 100% with your thread. The one thing we shall never forget was the selection of Ann Winnie over Wellstone as our nominee. Went head to head with many on the DFL Central Committer at the time,the so called Status Quo cost our state that Senate Seat. A certain couple from a Law Firm told us shut up we are the King Makers and you so called delegates are of no significance.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)into it via Camp Wellstone.
He is one of the Democrats doing good work that Sanders SLANDERED over these many years.
Armstead
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Too many Democrats learned the wrong lessons from the 1993-1994 health care battle. They think the only way to go is in small steps acceptable to vested health care interests. The truth is we need bold proposals that will really help poor people and that an aroused public will fight for.
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My trips to Washington, D.C., [in 1990] as the Democratic candidate from Minnesota were a disaster. I met with Senator John Breaux, chair of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), and explained to him how we would win: an all-out grassroots campaign in an old green bus, lots of volunteers, cafe politics, populist economics, and campaigning against big-money politics. John (whom I like and whose company I enjoy) wanted to know how much money I had raised. That was the end of the conversation.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)All those years, Sanders attacked the entirety of the Democratic Party. Including Paul Wellstone.
Sanders isn't fit to kiss Wellstone's shoes.
Senator Wellstone WORKED WITHIN THE PARTY.
And Paul Wellstone GOT YOUNG ADULTS INTO PARTY POLITICS AT CAMP WELLSTONE.
Your OP is disgusting.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)"That Wellstone...look what he claims about the Democratic Party being corrupt. he's attacking all Democrats and smearing Clinton."
(er, I assume you did actually watch that video, right?)
I'm sure awful things would be created. It IS a pattern.
Democrats used to LOVE Bernie when he was safely off in the corner....But he became THE WORST PERSON ION THE WORLD as soon as he entered the primary.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Sanders slandered ALL Democrats for decades.