coalitions showing their true colors.

Which is the exact wording of my alert on this thread. For transparency.

Also, this is the second one in 10 minutes.

But it was here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511801811

You can see from the replies that it was the same topic.

You should consider self-deleting too.

off my nose. I know there won't be much of a site left if the patriots in this revolution all get banned or leave on their own, though.

But even I know what it means to cut off ones nose to spite oneself. Therefore I won't do that. Your mileage may vary.

I sincerely hope that yours is a minority opinion, a very small minority.

What kind of people do you think we are here?

I will leave it at that.

Rat is delusional if he thinks the Oval Office is the solution. As is anybody who implies it is.

Who will change things. And we will change things. However long it takes and whatever political tactics need to be employed.

Maybe you ought to..as you say
"stop your crying and get to fucking work."

I just do my best here in rural MI.

My point is clear. If you want to change the Democratic Party, you need to work hard for it, and organize. And it certainly does not happen merely by putting a certain somebody into the Oval Office. It happens from bottom-up, just like the wacko Christians did it with the GOP. Unfortunately we don't have churches to unite us. We only have things like DU.

Consider that.

My best to you.

What kind of fucking madness is that!?

If you want change, do it the way that it works!

I am out of this insane thread.

'Please' and 'thank you' go a really long way. While it's not unique to any particular candidate, I can't say I care for the arrogance and entitlement that have become pervasive on DU. If you can't be bothered to be civil to other people I'm sure not inclined to give you much of my attention.

And then I will help rebuild the democratic party after it falls apart and it has purged itself of the Clintons

us?

If (god forbid) Clinton is allowed to be nominee.. it will all change after the loss in the GE.

So caught up in their fairy tale they're not looking out at the rest of the world.

Alienated the base last midterms, completely shitting on them now.

And it wouldn't be Bernie or Hillary.

If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote. The Senate would elect the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most Electoral votes. Each Senator would cast one vote for Vice President. If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#no270

because we don't want Republicans to win right!?

Fear, fear, fear!!!!!! It's the Republican way.

Hillary has much difficulty winning elections (fair and square) when... EVERYONE IS ALLOWED TO VOTE!

Bernie... not so much....

He owes DWS nothing. Nothing at all, after her corrupting the party even more so.

Teddy placed second that year.

If Bernie runs 3rd party, and R's do too, that will turn sure Dem victory into a possible loss. Just great.

If there are four candidates, there might be more ideas exposed. Will be Huge, smile.

Also, fuck third party advocates.

Kumbaya!

The House selects the president and the Senate elects the VP. In house, each state delegation gets one vote, and in Senate, every Senator gets a vote. This could make for some very interesting down ballot races, too.

I don't have the results yet, hopefully jury nullification will rule the day because advocating 3rd party is against TOS. I voted to leave.

On Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:52 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

If a republican runs third party, and Hillary is
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511802067

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Advocating a 3rd party run violates DU's TOS.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:58 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Advocating for a third-party run SHOULD earn this poster a MIRT review followed by a first-class tombstone, especially if this is a repeat offense. Are you still sure keeping GD Pee is a good idea Skinner?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Clear-cut anti-Democratic advocacy. Hide and ban.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: if...
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

Thank you. Thank you very much!

Isn't that exactly what Skinner was talking about when he talked about jury abuse?

Man, when I get called for jury service, I look at the post in front of me and I decide whether it's a violation or not. I DON'T make my decisions based on which candidate I support. It's pretty shitty to do that.

Just because they supported his candidate. Since the rules are only applied to my side, I must do what I must do.

... when people are openly admitting to gaming it. And most of those "banned hacks" were only banned because those same Bernie supporters gamed the jury system to silence their voices.

It's why I asked for (and got—thank you Skinner) the $100 back I donated for a Star membership. I love that DU has provided a voice here. I do not, however, like the fact that the very software of the site is so easily rigged against the minority and in no way actually supports the process of addressing abuse.

The jury system couldn't be more broken when Terms of Service violations are allowed to stay and anything Hillary supporters say is fair game for banning while Bernie supporters are advocating outright racial hatred with their Stockholm style posts. Yeah, ok, he got banned because the site admin is a Hillary supporter so there's no way that was going to be ignored, but I also saw how many people defended WillyH's original post.

After a lifetime of being a loyal dem I'm told my opinion doesn't matter because I'm white male straight and not >65 yrs old and/or well-off like most Hillary voters. There was thread after thread proclaiming it is a black party now and hahaha whitey the other day. Good luck with that in Nov.

The poster who posted hatred of Jews is still here. That says it all.

... but she also didn't write it here. But it just proves my point further. Trump hasn't just moved the needle. He's moved the whole spectrum. That folks of every stripe now think it's ok to say that stuff just says how low we've all sunk.

system.

Shame on you.

before they get sued for false advertising.

and the current House of Representatives will never pick a Democrat. So, not a good idea at all.

Guess you're good. Although it is absolutely a violation of TOS.

On Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:52 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

If a republican runs third party, and Hillary is
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511802067

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Advocating a 3rd party run violates DU's TOS.

JURY RESULTS


A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:58 AM, and voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Advocating for a third-party run SHOULD earn this poster a MIRT review followed by a first-class tombstone, especially if this is a repeat offense. Are you still sure keeping GD Pee is a good idea Skinner?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Clear-cut anti-Democratic advocacy. Hide and ban.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: if...
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

But if I end up a casualty in the revolution, so be it. Sometimes you just have to say what needs saying regardless of the consequences.

I am advocating a political revolution regardless of who gets the presidency. We the people are gonna take the country back from the oligarchs.

of a revolution.

Good lord.

I'm talking things more important than that.

You greatly over estimate yourself and the Sanders "revolution". It's no more real than Sharon Angle talking about second amendment options.

Civil disobedience?

Just sayin'

you think he is the next time I see him down here in GA.

normally call that incredible arrogance but in your case I think it's more immaturity talking.

did I call people who get arrested during civil rights protests stupid, unlike others on this board.

"If I fall in the revolution, bring my bloody shirt home to my wife and young'uns so they'll know what their Pappy died fighting for". Brings tears to my eyes...

"a casualty in the revolution"

Think there are probably a few real revolutionaries who can educate you on what being a casualty means.

I wonder when Vince Foster (or Breitbart) will be mentioned?

Clear abuse of the Jury system.

as no one would be likely to hit 270, and they would then only be choosing from the top 3 vote-getters.

Wouldn't want to take that gamble if we don't have the House back.

... to give Sanders supporters reasons to stay democrats.

The ultimate support for the TOS would be to demand this party become one in which a 3rd party is unnecessary and pointless.

They are forced.

Sanders is the only candidate who can turn around America. All
other candidates will drive us into full blown oligarchy.

All the election fraud...all the election fraud benefiting one candidate - Clinton.

So, hell ya.

Dear Senator Sanders, please run as an independent. I and we have your back.

This is not "ANY PARTY I WANT" Underground. This is Democratic Underground.

If you don't like that, get lost.

IMO, the DLCers aren't real Dems.

Pathetic. Utterly pathetic. Now you sound like the religious right. Well, how did they do it with the GOP? Let's learn together. Okay?

If one wants to change the direction of a major political party one has to start at the bottom. Run for precinct delegate and get all your ideological Puritan friends to do the same. It helps when one has thousands of churches willing to help and lax IRS enforcement. First you take over the precincts and you've got the district delegation. Replicate that in every district and one has the state delegation. Replicate that in the majority of the states and one changes the direction of a national party.

That's how it's done. NOT BY MERELY PUTTING A SPECIFIC PRESIDENT INTO THE OVAL OFFICE.

So, stop your crying and get to fucking work.

must have hit a nerve.

I'll be glad when idiocy like yours is banned from DU later this year, and the rest of us can get to fucking work without all the useless chatter.

I stand by my post. You want to change the Democratic Party, than I suggest you get to fucking work. You certainly don't accomplish that by screeching ideological purity on a Democratic Party message board.

In other words, your posts here are, at best, irrelevant and, at worst, counter-productive.

Live with that!

I live very well with myself. I don't sell my soul.

you roll in with your "This is not 'ANY PARTY I WANT' Underground." which is well and good, but then you spend the next several posts insulting another DUer for their alleged "ideological purity"!

If that's not hypocrisy, it's at least stupefying irony.

Live with that.

and regime changes and means-testing Social Security and adding restrictions for abortions and in the pocket of Wall Street is demanding fucking PURITY?????

Oh, and here in Florida, I can see how Debbie Wasserman-DINO supports GOP cronies against Democrats, has let the GOP run uncontested rather than back a liberal, and pretty much cock-blocks any liberal or Progressive that wants to get anywhere. So that advice about electing liberals at the local level is complete and utter cynical bullshit.

so, to quote YOU: "stop your crying and get to fucking work."

"stop your crying and get to fucking work"

I am not here to argue against whatever thing it is that you are saying. I am in this thread, engaging with you for one reason only - to tell you that your interaction with rateyes revealed a hypocrisy. You jumped in full of ideological contempt, wanting to purify DU, then turned around and insulted rateyes for being an ideological purist!

Is it the purism you reject? Then reject your own purism. If it's the ideology you reject, then why bother throwing the ideological purity tag around, as if it really mattered to you? Hypocrisy, either way.

BTW, your words are your responsibility, and they show a hypocrisy. If I "parrot" them back it's only to shine a little light on that hypocrisy.

And as you said in post #40: "If you don't like that, get lost."

I don't mind people doing it elsewhere I just think it should have no place here at all. In all honest, I believe you should be immediately banned. The only other time I have made that comment was toward blatant racists and bigots. I do not want to see the promotion of third party runs here at all.

The TOS is a joke apparently.

Really shady how deep the ratfucking runs here these days.

if the TOS was real.

He has said from the very beginning that he wouldn't and he won't.

I believe him and he didn't say "...unless a Republican does". He cares too much about the people and this country to do that. And he is a man of his word. He has said that if Hillary gets the nomination that he will support her and campaign for her and that's what I believe he will do.

Major concessions from the DNC.

You can't set up a third Party race after the convention. Not enough time to get on State ballots.

I say bring it cause I've been through this enough times to know that.

P.S. you know they will blame everyone else but themselves. It's happened multiple times in the past and will happen again.

Just like voting thirdway as this will be our third, thirdway presidential candidate, but expecting different things.

or maybe not since the party has moved to the right.

If you're voting to fuck things up because you think it'll wake people up, then I am your enemy. That's the sort of mindset I have encountered in dangerously abusive people and I will cheerfully work to thwart your efforts to impose your misery on everyone else.

Straw man arguments attacking positions I don't hold and have never expressed on DU or anywhere else. Your inability to argue without resorting to fallacies at every opportunity is why you will continue to fail, but I'm not holding my breath for you to adapt your behavior patterns any time soon - so much easier to blame others than engage in self-examination.

I'm not the one making straw man arguments, as anyone else can see. Nor have I ever expressed an opinion that I expected most Bernie voters to switch to Hillary, I don't. When you put words in other people's mouths, it's because you have no valid argument of your own. Better ask yourself why it is you like doing that.

Please, go on.

She will not need the Bernie PUMA Pity Party votes

But if she losses does anyone honestly think she will be the one to blame. Hell No!

It will be on all the voters who "Didn't vote her".

Bernie Voters will directly fall into that category.

Of course it's not the DNC's fault for not attracting voters and shoving Hillary down our throats from day 1, it's the fucking people, everybody else's fault!

Yes DU has played that game several times and it's getting about that time again.

Dems used to be much more like today's Reps in those very early days. This smack of the same empty "I want my country back" rhetoric. Back to What, Back to When. They should explain want they liked so much about the "back then" days.

election going to the house, and with a republican majority in the house, the republicans win

Since I got numerous threats, I decided to delete mine. Nice going, rateyes. You're my hero!

a shit anymore about electing Dems at any price. Never has gotten us anywhere but where we are now.

For example, if he wants to run as a Libertarian, he would have to be at their convention (May I think) and be nominated there.

If he wants to run as an independent, then he is subject to the "sore-loser" rule and not eligible in certain states - for example Texas.

He just does not decide he wants to be on the ballot - much more complicated than that.

then again several people on DU back in the summer of 2015, when the DNC announced the debate, stated that the Dems are handing the election to the Repubs.

A 4 way race would for numerous reasons almost guarantee a republican win.

The Democratic party would be fractured and I just don't see the pieces being put back together as a truly progressive party. The money sources and the party leaders and the corporate media would all push the narrative that the progressives were totally to blame for the disaster. The Democratic party would coalesce around a new set of leaders, but with the same center-right philosophy as the Clintons. Conservative philosophy on economics and foreign policy would become more entrenched.

The situation for progressives would be no better. It wouldn't move a progressive revolution forward, just the opposite.

If progressives want to bring back the activist, leftist New Deal party, we have to start at the local level inside the Democratic party. Get some young, talented progressives elected to local offices. Support them with the same fervor we do Bernie. Primary the conservaDem Hillary supporters. Build a nucleus of talent. In time, the progressives will prevail--if they are not seduced by the big money like too many of our current party leaders.