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If Sanders doesnt ask for another debate, that is the sign he's giving up (Original Post) MadBadger Apr 2016 OP
in your opinion. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #1
And yet a pretty good one rock Apr 2016 #9
Clinton drug her feet on the second and third debates, so meh. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #11
I'm assuming she'll more than drag her feet if asked rock Apr 2016 #12
I can't imagine a debate being necessary this late, nor can I imagine Bernie asking for one. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #13
Hey rock Apr 2016 #14
They have already agreed to hold a May debate. morningfog Apr 2016 #2
Any date yet? There is no reason to have any future debates MadBadger Apr 2016 #4
I don't think the date or place have been confirmed. morningfog Apr 2016 #5
LOL Team Hillary doesn't want any more debates but they jwirr Apr 2016 #22
I think I disagree. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #3
I LOVE that idea leftynyc Apr 2016 #7
It looks to me leftynyc Apr 2016 #6
Yeah it also happened that she got loudly boo-ed during the debate... by more than two people. bjo59 Apr 2016 #29
Do you have evidence leftynyc Apr 2016 #32
Clinton has no reason to do a debate, and I'm not sure Sanders has one either geek tragedy Apr 2016 #8
When Bernie is read posts like this, he laughs that you think you know what he's up to. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #10
I would hope there is nobody reading Bernie DU posts MadBadger Apr 2016 #15
Lol AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #26
Does he? LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #28
Another debate would be a huge waste pandr32 Apr 2016 #16
Fake talking point that smart, well informed people don't fall for. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #19
Well, so much for you being one of those well informed people pandr32 Apr 2016 #20
false information Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #24
The pool of delegates includes both the pledged and automatic delegates. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #30
Your math is totally wrong Gothmog Apr 2016 #33
wrong Corporate666 Apr 2016 #34
I think we'rea all tired of them. What's the point? We've heard what they have to say. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #17
I have had enough of Bernie Sanders Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #25
And the minute he does ask for one, someone will claim *that* is a sign of desperation. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #18
Clinton had zero reason to actually schedule another debate with Bernie Godhumor Apr 2016 #21
Debates are over Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #23
and if he doesn't schedule another twenty zillion rallies in the next five minutes, restorefreedom Apr 2016 #27
They all say that Corporate666 Apr 2016 #35
Clinton agreed to these debates when she was trailing going into NH, but she whined about this slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #31
There were no May debates in 2008, don't see a reason for one this year Tarc Apr 2016 #36
It's a sign that he's not a masochist. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #37
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
13. I can't imagine a debate being necessary this late, nor can I imagine Bernie asking for one. nt
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
4. Any date yet? There is no reason to have any future debates
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

Team Hillary gets that, we'll see if Team Bernie does.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
5. I don't think the date or place have been confirmed.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

But they agree to a May debate back when the DNC sanctioned the NH debate at Hillary's behest.

There are reasons for another debate. It was only at the NY debate where Hillary finally "evolved" on some important issues. Bernie still has some work to do in pushing her to the left.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
3. I think I disagree.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

Change of strategy is OK. Time to think out of the box. The up-coming states have had a lot of exposure to both candidates. I would like to see something different. *I would like to see college debate teams talk about some of the issues with one side being clinton and the other side being Bernie. *I would like to see Bernie and local politicians take on voting rights and other issues as state vs national concerns. *I would like to see Bernie do some 'position papers' speeches on fracking and voting rights and other issues. OK I am not passionate about this but kind of like the idea of something different.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
6. It looks to me
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016

in reading the NY polls before and after that debate that the debate hurt him in NY. I had two people tell me they didn't like him turning nasty (it was his former graciousness that appealed to them) and they both voted for Hillary. Anecdotal, sure but it did happen.

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
29. Yeah it also happened that she got loudly boo-ed during the debate... by more than two people.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:22 PM
Apr 2016

Lots of things happen.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
32. Do you have evidence
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:35 AM
Apr 2016

it HELPED Bernie? In New York? Do you think he would have lost by 20+ otherwise?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. Clinton has no reason to do a debate, and I'm not sure Sanders has one either
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

if they're playing nice, it'll be a snorefest.

if they're still throwing darts at each other, no way will Clinton agree to it.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
10. When Bernie is read posts like this, he laughs that you think you know what he's up to.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:44 PM
Apr 2016

He's going to the convention.

Yesterday, DU opinion said if he didn't ask for a debate, he knows it's because it hurts him. Actually he closes his numbers even more.

Bernie is serious. But you cannot be, with your armchair observations, thinking you know, what's going on in his head.

Funny, it is.

pandr32

(11,586 posts)
16. Another debate would be a huge waste
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

Sorry, it is impossible for Sanders to win. We need to start directing resources towards the GE.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
19. Fake talking point that smart, well informed people don't fall for.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:18 PM
Apr 2016

Did you know that it is virtually impossible for Hillary to get the number of pledged delegates she would need in order to cinch the nomination before the convention?
She would need a little over 68% of the remaining delegates. Ain't gonna happen.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
24. false information
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:15 PM
Apr 2016

She does not have to get any number of delegates...she is ahead...and will be more ahead in June...the supers will put her over or she may have the numbers-Bernie will face the ('he can't win effect in coming primarie"s)...there is no contested convention or any other nonsense in the Democratic Party.

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)
30. The pool of delegates includes both the pledged and automatic delegates.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:39 PM
Apr 2016

That pool totals 4,765. Total pledged delegates number 4,051 and automatic delegates total 714. The number needed to win the nomination in that pool is 2,383 delegates. That is 50% +1.

Based on The Green Papers:
Clinton has 1,446 delegates from the Pledged category and 478 from the automatic category for a combined total of 1,924 delegates. She needs 459 of the remaining 1,596. That is a third that is still up for grabs. She needs just over 28% of the remaining delegates. Sanders needs over 71% of the remaining.

Of the 1,596 delegates there are 1,400 Pledged delegates remaining and 195 automatic remaining.


Corporate666

(587 posts)
34. wrong
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:21 AM
Apr 2016

She has 1930 delegates thus far. She needs 2382 to get the nomination. She's only short by around 450.

Since super delegates votes are just as relevant as pledged delegates votes, to discount the supers is to be willfully ignorant of how the system works.

502 super delegates have already supported her. The BS'ers think that they are both going to go to the convention and make their plea for the nomination.

That's not going to happen. Hillary will pick up more delegates next week, and Bernie will drop out and endorse her. If he doesn't, then they are going to go to the convention, and on the first ballot, Clinton will take a massive, overwhelming amount of the votes, WELL beyond what she needs to be the nominee. And Bernie will be sitting in the corner wondering what just happened, looking like a fool.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
17. I think we'rea all tired of them. What's the point? We've heard what they have to say.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 03:15 PM
Apr 2016

What would be gained? More exposure for Bernie?
I don't know

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
25. I have had enough of Bernie Sanders
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

He will not be the nominee and will be over 80 next time so he won't run again...why would we care about him?

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
27. and if he doesn't schedule another twenty zillion rallies in the next five minutes,
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:21 PM
Apr 2016

he must be giving up!

seriously, where do y'all get this stuff?

bernie is going to the convention. he said all along he was. period.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
35. They all say that
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:58 AM
Apr 2016

How long have you been following politics? Have you ever heard a candidate say "I'm going to stick it out a little longer but if things don't turn around within a few weeks, I will be dropping out"?

Jeb Bush never said that - he was in it all the way to the convention. Rubio said the same thing. So did all of the democratic contenders back in 2008.

Bernie will drop out of the race long before the convention. Maybe even next week.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
31. Clinton agreed to these debates when she was trailing going into NH, but she whined about this
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:53 PM
Apr 2016

in late March and made a big issue of it cited 'his tone.'

If Sanders wants to schedule another debate will she once again go back on her promise?

The campaigns had been working behind the scenes for well over a month, it was not until the Sanders campaign called her out on this issue in late March did they finally work out a date.

Of course Clinton could not change her fundraising obligations and Sanders changed his plans.

I hope she is not going to have too many fundraising events in May to schedule this debate.

These were debates they agreed upon at the end of January/beginning of February.



Tarc

(10,476 posts)
36. There were no May debates in 2008, don't see a reason for one this year
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

We're almost ready to put this one to bed anyways.

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