2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Sanders doesnt ask for another debate, that is the sign he's giving up
If his campaigns presses for one in May like they did in April, he is serious about pressing this thing to the convention.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Unlike yours.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)She'll decline.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)We're agreeing.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)MadBadger
(24,089 posts)Team Hillary gets that, we'll see if Team Bernie does.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)But they agree to a May debate back when the DNC sanctioned the NH debate at Hillary's behest.
There are reasons for another debate. It was only at the NY debate where Hillary finally "evolved" on some important issues. Bernie still has some work to do in pushing her to the left.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)know that the people do.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Change of strategy is OK. Time to think out of the box. The up-coming states have had a lot of exposure to both candidates. I would like to see something different. *I would like to see college debate teams talk about some of the issues with one side being clinton and the other side being Bernie. *I would like to see Bernie and local politicians take on voting rights and other issues as state vs national concerns. *I would like to see Bernie do some 'position papers' speeches on fracking and voting rights and other issues. OK I am not passionate about this but kind of like the idea of something different.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)about the college debate teams. That would be awesome.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)in reading the NY polls before and after that debate that the debate hurt him in NY. I had two people tell me they didn't like him turning nasty (it was his former graciousness that appealed to them) and they both voted for Hillary. Anecdotal, sure but it did happen.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)Lots of things happen.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)it HELPED Bernie? In New York? Do you think he would have lost by 20+ otherwise?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)if they're playing nice, it'll be a snorefest.
if they're still throwing darts at each other, no way will Clinton agree to it.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)He's going to the convention.
Yesterday, DU opinion said if he didn't ask for a debate, he knows it's because it hurts him. Actually he closes his numbers even more.
Bernie is serious. But you cannot be, with your armchair observations, thinking you know, what's going on in his head.
Funny, it is.
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)pandr32
(11,586 posts)Sorry, it is impossible for Sanders to win. We need to start directing resources towards the GE.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Did you know that it is virtually impossible for Hillary to get the number of pledged delegates she would need in order to cinch the nomination before the convention?
She would need a little over 68% of the remaining delegates. Ain't gonna happen.
pandr32
(11,586 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)She does not have to get any number of delegates...she is ahead...and will be more ahead in June...the supers will put her over or she may have the numbers-Bernie will face the ('he can't win effect in coming primarie"s)...there is no contested convention or any other nonsense in the Democratic Party.
LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)That pool totals 4,765. Total pledged delegates number 4,051 and automatic delegates total 714. The number needed to win the nomination in that pool is 2,383 delegates. That is 50% +1.
Based on The Green Papers:
Clinton has 1,446 delegates from the Pledged category and 478 from the automatic category for a combined total of 1,924 delegates. She needs 459 of the remaining 1,596. That is a third that is still up for grabs. She needs just over 28% of the remaining delegates. Sanders needs over 71% of the remaining.
Of the 1,596 delegates there are 1,400 Pledged delegates remaining and 195 automatic remaining.
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)The real world is a nice place and the math is against sanders
Corporate666
(587 posts)She has 1930 delegates thus far. She needs 2382 to get the nomination. She's only short by around 450.
Since super delegates votes are just as relevant as pledged delegates votes, to discount the supers is to be willfully ignorant of how the system works.
502 super delegates have already supported her. The BS'ers think that they are both going to go to the convention and make their plea for the nomination.
That's not going to happen. Hillary will pick up more delegates next week, and Bernie will drop out and endorse her. If he doesn't, then they are going to go to the convention, and on the first ballot, Clinton will take a massive, overwhelming amount of the votes, WELL beyond what she needs to be the nominee. And Bernie will be sitting in the corner wondering what just happened, looking like a fool.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)What would be gained? More exposure for Bernie?
I don't know
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)He will not be the nominee and will be over 80 next time so he won't run again...why would we care about him?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)There won't be another one.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)There will be no more debates. He lost New York...it is over.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)he must be giving up!
seriously, where do y'all get this stuff?
bernie is going to the convention. he said all along he was. period.
Corporate666
(587 posts)How long have you been following politics? Have you ever heard a candidate say "I'm going to stick it out a little longer but if things don't turn around within a few weeks, I will be dropping out"?
Jeb Bush never said that - he was in it all the way to the convention. Rubio said the same thing. So did all of the democratic contenders back in 2008.
Bernie will drop out of the race long before the convention. Maybe even next week.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)in late March and made a big issue of it cited 'his tone.'
If Sanders wants to schedule another debate will she once again go back on her promise?
The campaigns had been working behind the scenes for well over a month, it was not until the Sanders campaign called her out on this issue in late March did they finally work out a date.
Of course Clinton could not change her fundraising obligations and Sanders changed his plans.
I hope she is not going to have too many fundraising events in May to schedule this debate.
These were debates they agreed upon at the end of January/beginning of February.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)We're almost ready to put this one to bed anyways.