Having her take time away from the Senate or end up as a vice-president possibly would be a terrible waste of talent.

I would think she could see that. She is a powerful Senator.

First he continues to build his power base by getting as many Sanders delegates to the convention as possible. And in the process, he continues to engage "troops on the ground" in the upcoming states who are likely to keep fighting on into the future.

Even if the numbers aren't sufficient to nominate him, having a substantial portion of the delegates on your side constitutes power to influence processes implemented, platform committed to, and other types of "behind the scenes" decisions.

As far as the question of how he would use that power, I think it's pretty clear the types of changes the delegates who support him will support. And I think it's pretty clear the types of candidates and organizations that he and his supporters would get behind as we move forward.

It doesn't, you cannot be serious with that argument. It pushes her to campaign from the left because it benefits her to do so at this time. It's a non starter, she would not stay to the left. Just stop.

You are insulting our intelligence.

No insult was intended.

If you all don't see how this is an example of Bernie's influence, then put your glasses on.

This whole moving to the left is utter bullshit. And there was some article posted the other day that pointed that out

If Clinton is elected, I think you will see some moves that she will make because of Bernie's campaign.

You don't think she's been stunned by the size and energy of Bernie's movement? Clinton is exceptionally smart, smarter than Bill Clinton whose IQ is way up there. If she sees something that a lot of Dems and young people want, she'll move on it.

You may see it as pandering, I see it as progress. But who cares what the motives are, as long as it gets done.

Their track record (and the people they surround themselves with) do not support the picture you try to spin.

She needs to deliver to those big money backers she owes and she has on more than one occasion clearly shown the disdain she has for the people.

Clinton would reach across the aisle to the Corporatist Republicans and do the bidding of the 1% and blame the other side for how she could not deliver. And if any little thing was to get done for the people, lots of money would be spent and little would be delivered. But hey, the friends, family members, and backers have to be fed at the public trough.

Her foreign policy record is a fucking disaster and I am to believe she is exceptionally smart? Did you bother to read any of her emails?

But I have read her record. And I've followed her since she was First Lady which included her campaign to give all people health insurance. She failed, because the Republicans (you know, her favorite buds) developed and executed one of the most effective smear campaigns against her and her cause in the last century. They've been going after Clinton ever since.

In the last few years of her husband's presidency, Clinton publicly and widely accused the right wing of a conspiracy against her, her husband and other prominent Democrats, a conspiracy that spanned the media and their corporate allies. Yeah, you know, her buds.

I have a feeling that you aren't familiar with that or about her record going back many years except what the Republicans and her enemies have been feeding you for the last many years.

She made mistakes, she's got weaknesses, she's not the perfect candidate by far and no Hillary supporter believes that she is. But she is not the Lady MacBeth that you portray her to be.

But she's a brilliant old broad, tough as nails, who outworks anyone until the gets the job done. And that is why, with her lousy favorables, she is going to win the nomination.

It's time for you and others to stop the whining and snark and start working to keep your movement going. By the end of next week, the race will be over. Do you really want to win on your issues? Then stop crabbing and bitching and do something about it!

Too bad she's not on the side of the people. Spin all you want, this is a demonstrable fact.

She is not on our side. And her saying she is does not make it so.

And I applaud you for giving one of the more well thought through explanation of your support of Hillary Clinton.

But the only positive thing I got out of it is that she's brilliant.

And I really don't agree with that.

Nothing would get done unless she wanted it done. And if she wanted it done, it would be her position to begin with and Bernie probably would not have gotten into the race at all.

She is invested in keeping the status quo yet we are supposed to believe she will change it because we want her to?

Come on. Stop insulting us.

And leave it at that.

Do you know that I've edited this 3 times to no avail because the auto correct won't let me spell your name accurately. It reads Rebeka or Rebuke. Crazy!

If you want her to have a second term, she better keep some of those promises. Somebody just may primary her now that Bernie has successfully done it. No more sleeping dogs...

Until AFTER the impeachment, then I would Welcome President Warren!

Why would Warren agree to become a powerless figurehead on the off chance that HRC
would be impeached or whatever. What a complete waste. I find it hard to believe anybody
would take time to post this tripe thinking we'd do anything but scoff at its utter stupidity.

I know, the logic just isn't there.

If your point is the worst that you can say about my perspective, then thank you very much.

I intended no offense to Bernie supporters. I truly believe that Bernie has a real opportunity here and I think he knows it. He knows that at this point he can't win and if he is as smart as he seems to be, he's thinking about how to keep the movement going and what he has to do in the next few months to ensure that it will.

That's the important issue. If Bernie's supporters are really committed to the movement, that's what they should be focusing on now, IMHO.

(even though ultimately I expect Hillary will pick a centrist, because it's who she is)

Why give up her own voice? She's doing just fine where she is.

She doesn't need to have a personal angle to take Cruz and Trump behind the woodshed.

If Warren even considers being on Hillary's cabinet she destroys the chance of ever being the next Bernie Sanders to run for president for the progressives. You don't stand next to Kissinger and you don't be on his cabinet. Hillary is a war hawk and a weapons dealer - Saudi Arabia and Algeria for starters. Then there's the many countries she has left destabilized - Libya, Honduras, Columbia and on and on. Warren should never stand next to or be associated with that.

Hillary's presidency will only serve the military industrial complex as well as wall street and every corporation Warren should be against not regulating severely.

When questioned, Warren did not reveal what she said, but she also mentioned she had been approached by Bernie. There were three who talked to her; I believe the third was O'Malley but it could have been Biden. It has been so long I don't want to mislead anyone, so I will just say I don't remember and I do not have the time to look it up. But in short, we do not know anything more about which one she favored, if any, from that meeting. I do believe her issues are more in line with Sanders than Clinton.

Sam

Warren is a very savvy politician. She may have her own reasons for suddenly going after Cruz and Trump that have nothing to do with a VP slot. She may increase her attacks on these guys to increase her own national presence and visibility. Once more visible, she may act as a mediator between Sanders and Clinton at the convention. Geez, someone will need to be. Who knows?

But her behavior recently is markedly different since Bernie and Hillary launched their campaigns. So it makes you think about what her motives and intentions are.

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I have been mulling that over all along. And it is kind of a great spot for her. I think her family is important, and I am not really sure she wants to sacrifice that for the God-awful stress of the Presidency. But I am very disappointed she doesn't throw Sanders a crumb out there on the campaign trail. They hold very similar views. When Hillary wants to dish a meme, she calls out her army to dump on Sanders, and almost no one steps out and defends him. He is such an honest, decent guy -- he doesn't deserve that.

Two days ago she gave the message that Sanders is destructive. Can you believe that -- coming from her?
At least he has never gotten anyone killed, and she cannot say that.

Sam

It would be about the same as Sanders selecting some grumpy, over 70, white, male, socialist-leaning New Englander to be his running mate.

For Bernie? Yes! Hell, I'd drag myself to the ballot box by my lips if I had to.

Sanders/Warren would be a sweet gift from heaven.

Hard to see her stepping down and allowing a Rep appointment...

Although I have a strong suspicion that Hillary's VP won't be a placeholder, and someone with Warren's focus in a signature area will be given the nod. Hillary is big on coalitions and isn't too focused on getting the credit as long as the work gets done, so I think she will pick a strong VP with experience in one of the big areas she has been focusing on. Energy, environment, infrastructure, racial parity, etc. These are important to her, and she will want to get going on day 1.

That's how MA got the inestimable Scott Brown.

I just read about Brown running in 2014 from another state...and being defeated yet again. That was nice to read!

and ignore her, and it would put a Senate seat in jeopardy that we would sorely need.

Speaking as a professor now retired, anyone who can get tenure at Harvard University is not only brilliant but an operator.

Warren is smart and savvy. She yet does not have the national recognition and the party support to run successfully for president and she knows that. Successful politicians have to pick their moment, and Warren knows that this is not her time.

You might say that Bernie had no national recognition and look at how far he has come. But Bernie is smart and he is a politician. Now don't get annoyed, anyone who has spent 25 years in Congress and has got anything done, is a politician. You have to be.

Bernie is a huge exception to the rule. This is his perfect time. At no previous time in the last 100 years (and look this up if you'd like) have the American public been so completely fed up with Congress and with Washington. Bernie's issues are a perfect match for the times. And his greatest skill is his advocacy. Bernie is an exceptionally talented advocate. He saw his time, and he took it.

He will fall short. But his ride has been quite worthwhile for him and for the country.

It is not yet Warren's time and she knows it. I'd bet that she is just as savvy as Bernie. It's not cowardice. It's knowing when it's your time.

...would pick a woman to be her VP.

Even if she did pick Warren, it wouldn't change the top of the ticket. I have never voted for a candidate based on the VP. If I did, I never would have voted for Obama.

I have disliked Biden since the Anita Hill hearings.

that's thoughtful of really it is

And isn't the movement ultimately what it's all about? Seems to me that the movement is the much larger point and ultimately far more important than any one individual.

One individual can't achieve what millions can, if the millions organize and actually get something done.

So it seems to me that after next week, it might be time for Bernie's supporters to stop griping about how horrible Hillary is and start thinking about how to marshall the movement past the convention and past November to actually get something done.

Unless, griping, bitching, and snarking at me and others is easier and a lot more fun?

for us is also IMO sort of insulting, the Vice Presidency is sort of a figure head position now I know also has a tie breaking vote in Congress if it ever should come to that , but barring something happening to Hillary it's still just mainly a dignitary position with very little actual policy making power

Vice president to a 69 year old stroke survivor isn't what I'd call a dignitary.

I suspect that Warren would force the administration and party to address the legitimate grievances as a condition.

Biden is an example of the exception. He played an essential role in getting the ACA passed because of his relationships with Dems and Repubs in Congress. We haven't heard much about that but I believe that if it hadn't been with Biden over at Congress almost every day during that period, the ACA, Obama's legacy, would not have passed.

I haven't a clue about Warren. But as a Hillary supporter, like many other Hillary supporters, I support Bernie's goals. But I just don't believe that he can achieve any of them. He is a brilliant advocate and has been for years. But I don't think he has the executive skills or the interest in foreign policy to be an effective chief executive.

But the movement has great value. Millions of people can achieve more than any one individual (except Lincoln or FDR). The focus should be on the movement. How to marshall and organize it and grow it. Leadership, brains and some creativity can do that.

It's a gargantuan task, and it begins with Bernie. I hope he has the commitment, the energy, and the humility to now work for the movement. If he makes the rights moves, it can work. That can be his legacy, instead of a presidential campaign.

Thanks for reading.

If Clinton sticks with the "fuck you" approach to politics that her supporters advocate, we'll lose, but the HoF team will have an anecdote proving (in their minds) how misogynist their fellow democrats are.

It would be like a scene from Hellraiser.

Click for graphic image of what it would look like.
http://www.onemetal.com/2011/11/01/hellraiser-revelations/

I certainly would be greatly disappointed if Warren lowered herself to join with her or support her in any way.
The two women are polar opposites.

Clinton administration VP and campaigning for HRC during the GE would in no way get me to support pro-war, pro-big bank HRC. Not in a million years. No thanks.

What about either party's presidential campaign has been predictable?

Bernie's? Trump's? Whatever!

She's better off running from the senate herself.