2016 Postmortem

imagine2015

(2,054 posts) Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:47 PM Apr 2016

Trump, Clinton and Cruz are "party candidates disliked by a majority of the American people."

An Unpopularity Contest for the Ages
By Ruth Marcus
April 20, 2016

WASHINGTON -- The 2016 presidential election is shaping up as an unpopularity contest of unprecedented proportions.

Assuming, that Hillary Clinton will win the Democratic nomination and that either Donald Trump or Ted Cruz becomes the Republican nominee, the general-election ballot is set to feature a choice between two candidates more negatively viewed than any major-party nominee in the history of polling.

Trump is, by far, the furthest underwater: The latest Wall Street Journal-NBC poll puts his net favorability rating at minus-41. A breathtaking 65 percent of registered voters see him negatively, versus 24 percent with a positive view, making him the most unpopular major party presidential candidate ever recorded. Cruz is at minus-23, with 49 percent viewing him negatively, 26 percent in a positive light.

Clinton, by contrast, has a healthier (and more volatile) history with voters. Polls showed her favorables slightly ahead of her negatives when she formally launched her campaign last April. But her trajectory is unnerving. The new NBC-WSJ numbers have Clinton minus-24 (with 56 percent viewing her unfavorably and 32 percent favorably), almost double the gap just one month earlier.

"This is unprecedented," said Democratic pollster Mark Mellman. "It will be the first time in the history of polling that we'll have both major party candidates disliked by a majority of the American people going into the election."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/04/20/an_unpopularity_contest_for_the_ages_130334.html

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Trump, Clinton and Cruz are "party candidates disliked by a majority of the American people." (Original Post) imagine2015 Apr 2016 OP

Posts like this make Bernie look even worse. Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #1

absolutely, along with posts implying or spewing right wing talking points that Hillary still_one Apr 2016 #3

Less than 15% of eligible people have voted in the primaries so far. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #6

Super delegates will go for the candidate who has the most pledged delegates. That is the way it is still_one Apr 2016 #8

There is no convention or party rule requiring super delegates to follow the procedure you advocate. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #9

Does this imply that the majority of voters like Bernie or something? The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #2

Yes. It's a fact. Read the polls. It's not easy beating the corporate establishment machine imagine2015 Apr 2016 #7

so folks like Bernie - but do not feel he is qualified to step up DrDan Apr 2016 #4

Hmmm. . . Codeine Apr 2016 #5

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)

1. Posts like this make Bernie look even worse.

Reply to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:48 PM

Apr 2016

Because that means he's losing to someone who's unlikable.....so Bernie must be a bad candidate.

still_one

(92,202 posts)

3. absolutely, along with posts implying or spewing right wing talking points that Hillary

Reply to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:05 PM

Apr 2016

will be indicted, or some other such BS

When Gowdy wastes more tax payer money on the benghazi bullshit, how many here will decide to jump aboard on that bandwagon

More people voted for Hillary in the primaries than any other candidate. I guess those folks didn't realize that they really didn't like her.

The national polls are skewed for so many reasons

Now many here, not surprisingly have no problem with the stealing of super delegates from the candidate who has the most pledged delegates.

That won't happen

Here are the latest polls for next weeks upcoming primaries

Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Clinton + 27
Maryland Democratic Primary Clinton +25
Connecticut Democratic Primary Clinton +9
Delware Democratic Primary Clinton +7

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)

6. Less than 15% of eligible people have voted in the primaries so far.

Reply to still_one (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:10 PM

Apr 2016

"More people voted for Hillary in the primaries than any other candidate. I guess those folks didn't realize that they really didn't like her."

So a huge majority of people who dislike Hillary, Trump and Cruz have not voted.

How does one "steal" a super delegate?

Hillary Clinton and Bernie are not entitled to a single super delegate prior to the convention.

Super delegates are not pledged to Bernie or Hillary. You didn't know that?

Super delegates are free to vote for whomever they feel has the best chance to defeat the Republican candidate for President.

That is news to you?

still_one

(92,202 posts)

8. Super delegates will go for the candidate who has the most pledged delegates. That is the way it is

Reply to imagine2015 (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:02 PM

Apr 2016

going to be. You don't like it? your problem

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)

9. There is no convention or party rule requiring super delegates to follow the procedure you advocate.

Reply to still_one (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:44 PM

Apr 2016

Nothing at all.

The super delegates are "free agents" who may vote for whomever they want at the convention.

You may not like or agree with that fact, but that's just the way it is.

Case closed.

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)

2. Does this imply that the majority of voters like Bernie or something?

Reply to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:52 PM

Apr 2016

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)

7. Yes. It's a fact. Read the polls. It's not easy beating the corporate establishment machine

Reply to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:26 PM

Apr 2016

But, Hillary only leads by a few hundred delegates and may not win enough elected delegates to clinch the nomination before the convention.

It will be an open convention.

That's the only chance the Democratic Party will have to nominate someone who is actually trusted and well liked that can defeat the Republican candidate.

And as I'm sure you understand, that person is Bernie.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)

4. so folks like Bernie - but do not feel he is qualified to step up

Reply to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:59 PM

Apr 2016

and they do not care for Hillary - but think she is far more qualified considering her significant lead.

Codeine

(25,586 posts)

5. Hmmm. . .

Reply to imagine2015 (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:01 PM

Apr 2016

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