2016 Postmortem

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts) Thu Apr 21, 2016, 05:49 PM Apr 2016

One on One with Sen. Bernie Sanders

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Sanders spoke to Newswatch 16 about 10 minutes before he spoke at the Scranton Cultural Center, the first of a busy day with three rallies in Pennsylvania, less than a week before a critical primary.

And while younger voters make up the crowds at his rallies like this one, the Democratic candidate knows the bulk of primary voters are parents or grandparents.

“I’ve been one of the leaders in the United States Senate in fighting for senior citizens, in fighting to expand Social Security and oppose all efforts to cut it. I’ve taken on the pharmaceutical industry and will fight to lower prescription drug costs in this country. We pay today, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. Many seniors simply just cannot afford it,” said Bernie Sanders, Democratic presidential candidate.

Sanders hopes to sway enough seniors, and keep the energy of younger voters going through Tuesday’s primary. Even though he lost the New York Primary this week, sanders believes Pennsylvania can be his campaign’s turning point.

“We were hurt in New York because three million people who happened to be independents were denied the right to vote in either the Democratic or Republican primaries and I think that’s wrong,” said Sanders. “I think that if there is a large voter turnout here, if working people come out to vote, vote for change. Vote to take on the establishment. If young people come out and vote, we’ve got an excellent chance to win.”

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http://wnep.com/2016/04/21/one-on-one-with-sen-bernie-sanders/

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One on One with Sen. Bernie Sanders (Original Post) Uncle Joe Apr 2016 OP

Perhaps if every independent voter had been able to vote in NY and voted for Bernie he could have The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #1

Voter suppression. His supporters by the perhaps now, hundreds of thousands were not allowed sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #10

I'm glad you posted this. It answers a couple of questions. Gregorian Apr 2016 #2

Keep up the good fight, Gregorian. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #3

Bernie has won 19 states so far, Hillary is nowhere near clinching the nomination. She is just about sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #13

Love Independent votes in General, but generally, not in Primaries. Joob Apr 2016 #4

Closing off Independents in the primaries especially so early as New York did before the Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #8

Agree 100%, this whole election is aimed at that, if I may be so bold. Joob Apr 2016 #12

Effort was made, but many voters were not even thinking about this race back in Oct. I got people to sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #14

why is he still whining about New York? Pennsylvania has a closed primary too. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #5

Pennsylvania's primary isn't nearly as restrictive as that of New York, not to mention the Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #6

it's still the case that independents can't vote in the primaries there geek tragedy Apr 2016 #7

It makes no difference which candidate was most hurt or helped, no one should support Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #9

no one does support it, that;s why local officials are looking into geek tragedy Apr 2016 #11

They're Republicans aren't they? n/t Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #15

kind of. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #17

I do believe the Republicans are more afraid of running against Bernie than Hillary. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #18

Massive election fraud took place in NY. If you think that election fraud is not a serious issue sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #16

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)

1. Perhaps if every independent voter had been able to vote in NY and voted for Bernie he could have

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:03 PM

Apr 2016

won.

The stones Bernie is promising to carry are probably to heavy to lift.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)

10. Voter suppression. His supporters by the perhaps now, hundreds of thousands were not allowed

Reply to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:30 PM

Apr 2016

to vote in NY's Primary. What a shameful display of voter suppression it was and it needs to be addressed quickly, so that they CAN vote in this Primary not wait for the investigation when it is too late.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)

2. I'm glad you posted this. It answers a couple of questions.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:04 PM

Apr 2016

I'll admit I'm in the dumps. I guess my sleep suffered. This brings me optimism.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)

3. Keep up the good fight, Gregorian.

Reply to Gregorian (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:08 PM

Apr 2016

We knew this struggle wouldn't be easy.

Peace to you.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)

13. Bernie has won 19 states so far, Hillary is nowhere near clinching the nomination. She is just about

Reply to Gregorian (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:33 PM

Apr 2016

a little more than 210 delegates ahead of him, gaining back only 29 of the 130 she lost to him in the string of defeats she suffered after NY, despite all the voter suppression. He's well within reach of the nomination right now. Ignore the talking points they are intended to depress enthusiasm. And are nothing more than signs of desperation and frustration that the Establishment has been unable to stop him AND the people from keeping this democratic system going, rather than what they had in mind.

Joob

(1,065 posts)

4. Love Independent votes in General, but generally, not in Primaries.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:08 PM

Apr 2016

Which I get, just feels wrong to have it so far away. At the very least. More effort should have been made to inform the people of NY about registration dates, I mean. Considering the amount of people.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)

8. Closing off Independents in the primaries especially so early as New York did before the

Reply to Joob (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:25 PM

Apr 2016

first debate was even held only serves to speed up entropy of the party.

Joob

(1,065 posts)

12. Agree 100%, this whole election is aimed at that, if I may be so bold.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:31 PM

Apr 2016

Not just for independents but democrats too, and well. Republicans.

The whole election process is clumsy at best.

We have a candidate who's being investigated by the FBI and it's being dragged along

Hillary not wanting to release transcripts, not even that, she could just say no. But that's being dragged along as well.

If I had to guess, this election is actually being aimed at splitting the parties for some reason.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)

14. Effort was made, but many voters were not even thinking about this race back in Oct. I got people to

Reply to Joob (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:35 PM

Apr 2016

register knowing about the date, but that date was before the first debate so even if they knew, they did not know Bernie then and wouldn't have had a reason to switch their registrations. The Dem Party should have moved that date, but then they wouldn't have achieved their goal if they had.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

5. why is he still whining about New York? Pennsylvania has a closed primary too. nt

Reply to Uncle Joe (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:13 PM

Apr 2016

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)

6. Pennsylvania's primary isn't nearly as restrictive as that of New York, not to mention the

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:23 PM

Apr 2016

primary held in New York City is being investigated and or condemned by the Mayor and Comptroller.

The city BOE, which has a long history of screwups, mysteriously removed 126,000 Democrats from the rolls ahead of the election.

Many people who were long-time voters showed up and were told their names weren’t on the books.

Other polling sites had long lines, too few workers and other issues that made the day a nightmare for voters.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-voting-irregularities-investigation-primary-article-1.2609007

Hopefully Pennsylvania will hold a more credible voting process.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

7. it's still the case that independents can't vote in the primaries there

Reply to Uncle Joe (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:25 PM

Apr 2016

any/all of those issues in NYC would have hurt Clinton more than Sanders. City vote was much stronger for her than for him.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)

9. It makes no difference which candidate was most hurt or helped, no one should support

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:27 PM

Apr 2016

voter suppression.

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

11. no one does support it, that;s why local officials are looking into

Reply to Uncle Joe (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:30 PM

Apr 2016

what went on with that voter purge, and the BOE head is on the hot seat now.

Changing the switchover date requires the state legislature to take action, and our legislature is one of the worst in the country.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)

15. They're Republicans aren't they? n/t

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:36 PM

Apr 2016

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)

17. kind of.

Reply to Uncle Joe (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:39 PM

Apr 2016

Cuomo is our governor, and he calls himself a Democrat. but not really.

One house of the legislature, the Assembly, is solidly Democratic.

the other house, the Senate, is technically a majority of Democrats, but a couple of them decided to caucus with the Republicans so they could hold everyone ransom and so the Republicans control it.

The Democratic Assembly Speaker and Republican Senate Majority Leader of both been convicted of felonies (corruption) in the past year.

it's a mess.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)

18. I do believe the Republicans are more afraid of running against Bernie than Hillary.

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:58 PM

Apr 2016

Those who don’t “feel the Bern” may instead be fearing it.

In a conversation with Santa Monica public radio‘s KCRW on Wednesday, Republican strategist Dave Carney speculated that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) could pose a bigger threat to the GOP in the general election than Hillary Clinton would.

Sanders has tapped into a powerful populist anger (as has Trump), and that sentiment isn’t easy for opposing candidates to overcome, Carney said.

“Bernie does the exact same thing that Trump does on the different side of the coin,” Carney argued. “They talk about this economic disconnect between the elites and the rest of us ... and they have different prescriptions for fixing that, but it’s the same anger, the same concern.”

Carney said that while Sanders’ self-description as a “democratic socialist” might alienate some people, it ultimately becomes irrelevant once voters enter the voting booth.

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“I think Bernie ... would bring new energy to the general election,” Carney concluded, “and I would be more worried about him.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-strategist-bernie-sanders-clinton_us_56bbafb3e4b0c3c5504ff6c7

Not to mention Bernie almost always beats Republicans by larger margins than Hillary in general election match-ups precisely because of his strength with Independents.

So New York by placing such onerous restrictions against Independents or even disenchanted Republicans from registering to vote as Democrats serves two purposes make it easier for Trump to win and speed up entropy in the Democratic Party.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)

16. Massive election fraud took place in NY. If you think that election fraud is not a serious issue

Reply to geek tragedy (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:37 PM

Apr 2016

then you are wrong. I am here in NY and people on all sides are outraged over it and intend to do something about it.

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