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Is there a final Delegate allocation from NY yet? (Original Post) Sheepshank Apr 2016 OP
it won't be final for two weeks would be my guess. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
is there a prediction of where those votes are expected to fall? Sheepshank Apr 2016 #3
I would expect Clinton but that's really just guesswork nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #5
The Green papers shows 0 available for soft pledged with a 139/108 breakdown Lucinda Apr 2016 #2
Outstanding delegates are 5 for automatic delegates. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #6
Found this on Google (timestamped 29 minutes ago) NurseJackie Apr 2016 #4
Vote totals haven't even been signed off on and there are court cases still. glowing Apr 2016 #7
This. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #28
Will provisional ballots be counted, and if so, when? n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #8
After Oct sometime. Gwhittey Apr 2016 #9
Sorry I asked. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #10
If counted they must be prior to certification for this primary. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #24
At least two counties won their suits to have affidavit votes counted DebDoo Apr 2016 #11
Yeah? Can you direct me to more info nt Sheepshank Apr 2016 #12
Monroe county DebDoo Apr 2016 #15
That had nothing to do with the law suit. Sheepshank Apr 2016 #18
The affidavit ballots are NOT provisional. Affidavit voting was an order by a judge for a real ViseGrip Apr 2016 #26
They are the same and were already permitted by FEDERAL LAW Sheepshank Apr 2016 #30
got a link, because you'd think a story that big would show up somewhere onenote Apr 2016 #13
Monroe county DebDoo Apr 2016 #16
Can you point to where it discusses a lawsuit? onenote Apr 2016 #17
They're counting the votes of the party affiliation was switched DebDoo Apr 2016 #20
No the votes won't necessarily be counted. They will be reviewed onenote Apr 2016 #21
Right but they will be looking for evidence that DebDoo Apr 2016 #22
Monroe county will examine each affidavit DebDoo Apr 2016 #14
The affidavit ballot is already provided for by Federal law...stop spreading lies Sheepshank Apr 2016 #19
Did you miss the boat? Nothing should be allocated until the mess is resolved! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #23
246 are allocated so far. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #25
They have not been certified. Not ready for convention. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #27
MY MISTAKE, SORRY. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #29
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. it won't be final for two weeks would be my guess.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:25 PM
Apr 2016

they haven't started counting provisional and absentee ballots.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
2. The Green papers shows 0 available for soft pledged with a 139/108 breakdown
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:28 PM
Apr 2016

but I think I read earlier today that there were still delegates outstanding...either 5 or 8?



http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NY-D

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
6. Outstanding delegates are 5 for automatic delegates.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:39 PM
Apr 2016

They decide on their own who they will support. The election does not determine support for a candidate.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
28. This.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:10 AM
Apr 2016

The networks make the tallies based on best guesses. Not sure about the set time, but they have to count and make official. With the lawsuit it could hold it up like the Arizona count got held up a little.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
24. If counted they must be prior to certification for this primary.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:04 AM
Apr 2016

If not? Nothing should be awarded without a resolution.

How about splitting them and going on your merry way! This is the only way to stop the cheaters! Otherwise it's a mess! I think after some testimony they see no other way, than counting the ballots of those who showed up to vote! I'd go with that. I'd go with throwing it all out.

I will not accept the current result with a resolution. No one should.

Look, we sent military down to El Salvador for a lot less! FFS!

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
18. That had nothing to do with the law suit.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:08 AM
Apr 2016

Those affidavit ballots have always been available, and are provided for by federal law. They are also known as provisional ballots.

This article does say what you think it says.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
26. The affidavit ballots are NOT provisional. Affidavit voting was an order by a judge for a real
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:06 AM
Apr 2016

ballot. One counted for sure. The provisionals are looked over if the count would change, to verify them. the judge in person verified the affidavit voters and they went to vote firmly legit.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
30. They are the same and were already permitted by FEDERAL LAW
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

I know the narrative would seem like more of win with your interpretation, but the reality is:

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/provisional-ballots.aspx
Provisional ballot=affidavit ballot=challenge ballot

http://www.sos.ms.gov/links/elections/ECAM/2014/Municipal%20Affidavit%20Ballot%20Procedures%202.2.14.pdf
Pg 2, affidavit ballot=provisional ballot

http://www.sos.ms.gov/links/elections/ECAM/2014/Municipal%20Affidavit%20Ballot%20Procedures%202.2.14.pdf
affidavit ballot not a given that they will be counted...first to be verified that the voter is truthful in the Election staff making a mistake...and not that they are simply trying to get around the current election or registration rules.

http://vote.nyc.ny.us/html/voters/faq.shtml#q19
Look under "What if I'm not permitted to vote:" One option is the use of an affidavit ballot...no new law, already in place

http://www.votersearch.org/reference.php
Affidavit ballots already permitted by State and Federal law...no law suit required to file



next time do some fucking homework before banging out untruths on your keyboard, trying to sell something that is false.

Bottom line, law suits do not play into affidavit ballots and certainly not the one filed the day of elections in NY.


onenote

(42,703 posts)
13. got a link, because you'd think a story that big would show up somewhere
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

on the Internet, but I can't find anything.

So it sounds like you've just spread an unfounded rumor.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
17. Can you point to where it discusses a lawsuit?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:06 AM
Apr 2016

You claimed two counties won their suits to have affidavit votes counted.

The article you link to is about one county, doesn't say anything about a lawsuit, and points out the completely unsurprising and ordinary process in which affidavit votes are reviewed after the fact to determine if they should be counted.

In other words, your claim of some lawsuit forcing affidavit votes to be counted is bogus.

DebDoo

(319 posts)
20. They're counting the votes of the party affiliation was switched
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:14 AM
Apr 2016

I may have misspoken about the lawsuit part of it. But regardless, the votes will be counted.

Clinton county is also counting affidavit votes from people whose party affiliation incorrectly changed.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
21. No the votes won't necessarily be counted. They will be reviewed
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

and if it is determined that they should've been counted, they'll be counted. Many will not be counted because it will turn out that the person casting the vote wasn't properly registered.

All counties that have affidavit votes will review them. There is nothing unique about that. Why do you think they allow affidavit ballots if not for the purpose of reviewing them and deciding whether to accept them?

DebDoo

(319 posts)
22. Right but they will be looking for evidence that
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:53 AM
Apr 2016

Their party was switched without their knowledge or they were incorrectly purged. That's the big takeaway

DebDoo

(319 posts)
14. Monroe county will examine each affidavit
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2016/04/20/election-officials-presidential-primary-process-wrapup/83285028/


"There was a recourse for voters who believed the Board of Elections' records were wrong. If their name didn't appear at all, or if the party affiliation was wrong, voters could fill out an affidavit ballot. That document records their vote and gives the voter an opportunity to explain why their vote should be counted.
Van Varick said they received a few thousand of these affidavit ballots on Tuesday. Election commissioners will be reviewing each one in the coming days and make decisions on a case-by-case basis."

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
19. The affidavit ballot is already provided for by Federal law...stop spreading lies
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:10 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:41 AM - Edit history (1)

And has nothing to do with the law suit.

Look it up.


I know the narrative would seem like more of win with you interpretation but the reality is:

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/provisional-ballots.aspx
Provisional ballot=affidavit ballot=challenge ballot

http://www.sos.ms.gov/links/elections/ECAM/2014/Municipal%20Affidavit%20Ballot%20Procedures%202.2.14.pdf
Pg 2, affidavit ballot=provisional ballot

http://www.sos.ms.gov/links/elections/ECAM/2014/Municipal%20Affidavit%20Ballot%20Procedures%202.2.14.pdf
affidavit ballot not a given that they will be counted...first to be verified that the voter is truthful in the Election staff making a mistake...and not that they are simply trying to get around the current election rules.

http://vote.nyc.ny.us/html/voters/faq.shtml#q19
Look under "What if I'm not permitted to vote:" One option is the use of an affidavit ballot...no new law, already in place

http://www.votersearch.org/reference.php
Affidavit ballots already permitted by State and Federal law...no law suit required to file



Bottom line, law suits do not play into affidavit ballots and certainly not the one filed the day of elections in NY.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
25. 246 are allocated so far.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:06 AM
Apr 2016

There will be a state convention that allocates another 45. These will be roughly proportionate to the vote. So the current +33 for Clinton will end up being around +38 to +41.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
29. MY MISTAKE, SORRY.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:15 AM
Apr 2016

Actually, only 163 get allocated directly through election in district. Another 84 pledged are chosen at the state convention, but it will be proportionate to the vote (these are called "PLEO" and "At Large&quot .

See here:
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/NY-D

Thus 247, and the media counts are already assuming what the numbers will be after the process is completed. 139-106 = +33 for the Secretary of More War, but Gently!

The other 44 to get to 291 are... supers. And thus were already mostly "counted" for Clinton in the media counts, even before this primary. Sigh.

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