2016 Postmortem
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President Clinton will offer Senator Sanders a cabinet level position re: healthcare or ACA. I say this because on Tues United Healthcare (the nation's largest health insurer) anounced it will drop its ACA plans in most States, citing huge losses. Who, better than Bernie can take on the insurance industry if they don't play nice. Hill won't have time. United Healthcare's timing of their announcement was odd; the day of the NY primary.
amborin
(16,631 posts)no time to find a cite, but if you read about it, you will learn that Anthem, etc have been doing just that for some time now
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Thank you
brooklynite
(94,597 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)There was a time when he had a good opportunity to negotiate but that has passed IMO
pinebox
(5,761 posts)This is the national convention which will be contested
Corporate666
(587 posts)There are Hillary signs everywhere. Every time she shows her face, the crowd roars into applause, chanting her name.
Bernie gets up to give a speech... he's one of a long line of speakers who have sung her praises. But instead, Bernie starts selling himself as the best choice for the nomination. The room goes quiet. People look at each other wondering if he's making a joke. There's some nervous laughter. People are embarrassed for him. Everyone is cringing. He finishes his speech and a few people in the room are clapping.
The emcee comes on stage and tries to think of what to say... "Err, well thank you for that Mr. Sanders. Anyway, back to the convention - coming up to the stage now, the next President of the USA, Hillary.... CLINTON!" - the room erupts into cheers. She cracks a joke about whether Bernie knows what day it is or where he is. Everyone laughs. Then they run the first vote. She gets just about ALL the pledged delegates, and she's the nominee. The crowd goes wild.
Bernie is sitting in the back of the room in a folding chair... slouching. His staff have deserted him. He's a laughing stock. He asked the pretty girl out on the Kiss Cam at the sports event and got rejected in front of everyone.
He realizes what a huge mistake he's made... and how he's turned himself into a laughing stock.
<fade out>
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Because Bernie supporters are already planning to show up to the convention.
You can laugh all you want and demean Bernie but in reality, a scenario like that would ensure a Dem loss on a landslide scale.
Not pretty.
Meanwhile, Bernie has the people. That's why you see his fundraising with small donations out pacing or equaling Hillary
Corporate666
(587 posts)if he did, he would be winning the primary. He isn't. He's getting his ass thoroughly kicked.
Bernie trying to make a plea for the nomination at the convention would make him a laughing stock. It would be cringe worthy. It has a lower probability of success than me sending a telegram to ISIS and asking them to be nice has of succeeding - and by that I mean precisely zero.
There is nothing to gain for Bernie by "taking it to the convention", and as much as he's stupid when it comes to economics, capitalism, finance and labor, he's not stupid when it comes to politics. He knows it would be career suicide not to get on board and endorse Hillary.
There will be no contested convention. Sanders has nothing to gain from it, and a lot to lose. He will drop out loooooong before the convention.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)This is where we are going to disagree.
We've seen what happens in states which have open primaries. Watch Indiana.
You can say all you want and say cringe worthy and all that stuff but it doesn't change the fact that among the majority of American's, Hillary favorability numbers are in the tank and in a GE Bernie does better.
Yes there will be a contested convention. Hillary can't secure the numbers to lock it up.
Corporate666
(587 posts)There aren't enough contests left for him to catch Hillary. He's out of time and out of delegates. He's going to give up another 50 or so to her next week. Then there's only 1000 left to win, and he needs to win 300 more than her, and being down in Jersey and California?
When it gets to California, he would need to win by 80% to 20% to catch her. That's an impossible task. How do you think she can't secure the numbers? She's only 450 shy and there are over 1640 delegates left to win. She needs about 1/4 of them and she clinches.
It's one thing to be optimistic, but quite another to be delusional. The only reason for him to stay in would be to negotiate something for himself in exchange for his endorsement of Clinton. His worth to her is going to drop dramatically from this point on, so he better act fast before the Clinton campaign rebukes his overtones at working out a deal.
Whether Bernie polls better in a GE is immaterial. Do you really think the super delegates are going to say "well, we know we all pledged for HRC... and we know she won the popular vote by a huge amount, and has hundreds more delegates, and we know she's about as reliable a party member as they come... buuuuut, we're going to throw all that aside and vote for this guy instead".
That literally has a 0% chance of happening. Putting stock in that path-to-the-nomination is like waiting for a lightning bolt to strike HRC as she's on a stage somewhere. Just not gonna happen.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)your recent wet dream. The hate for Liberals/Progressives is strong in this one.
Yes, but it just seems they're getting more open and aggressive about it.
amborin
(16,631 posts)enid602
(8,620 posts)But this recent acceleration would suggest that perhaps the Republicans are shifting their tact with regard to ACA opposition, using the insurance companies. I know Hill is squarely behind ACA and Obama's legacy. Bernie's dedication to the topic of universal healthcare is sterling. Bernie's being put in charge of ACA implementation on a cabinet level would send a clear message to the insurance industry.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Too busy with his presidential campaign to be a cabinet member, but Bernie may offer that post to someone who will do a good job at it, not hill though she will be too busy defending herself in court..
amborin
(16,631 posts)MFM008
(19,816 posts)especially if he loses any of the states on Tuesday.
He cant expect to many more delegates from caucus states
Just a handful more delegates wont do it.
Delegates and super delegates cant be bullied because if it were me, it would only solidify
my determination to vote for HRC.
????????
It's that logic that assures he will probably never be President.
That may sadly very well be but your "logic" is even farther off base than mine.If he isn't the candidate this fall prepare yourself for a republican president...Because she hasn't go the chance of a snowball in hell she cannot pull in indies and no one can stop the republican voters who hate her with a passion from coming out in droves to vote against her. They have already proven that they are pretty crazy so voting for a republican isn't to far for them to go..Next "logic" is that the current crew of idiots running under the republican flag will be among the candidates, the PTB wil turn over heaven and earth to come up with a strategy that will bring in some dark horse who is offstage right now but ready to make an entrance at any time during the convention.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Country is tired of that family also...I have no idea who they might have waiting but I a sure there is someone, I would lean more toward R-money but not sure he wants it anymore..
oasis
(49,389 posts)disposition to head up a Department with thousands of bureaucrats.
enid602
(8,620 posts)That cantankerousness might just be what the position needs.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)He lacks the necessary skills and temperament to negotiate and find common ground to allow things to move forward.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Is one reason why R's detest Cruz.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I dislike that kind of politics. I thought Hillary should have said no when Obama asked, although I guess when they ask you kind of have to say yes.
I don't think he'd accept it out of allegiance to Hillary, but out of his concern for healthcare.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)He's merely regrouping for the next phase. He's not one who will settle for some office. I see almost a shadow party within the Dem party...of what we used to be.
enid602
(8,620 posts)The position might be a far more visible position from which he can promote his revolution.
That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)Clinton taints everything she touches with division, and working with for Clinton means being her political meat shield, just ask Mayor "Cautious Politician Time" de Blasio.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Insulated insiders. It is all about the Clinton Machine...shudder.
Corporate666
(587 posts)they have a fundamental disagreement on the topic. Why would she bring someone on board whose views are directly contrary to the policies she wants to implement?
I'm not sure they're so far apart. The idea behind ACA was to provide universal healthcare while still relying on the free market. Proponents of ACA have asked that we give insurance companies a chance; we can always go for Medicare for all if the insurance companies don't take it seriously. Just the appointment of a proponent of fully socialized medicine will send a clear message to the insurance companies; either play ball or you won't play at all. I don't think that Bernie's tenacity or dedication to universal healthcare can be questioned.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)There is no cabinet position of Amendment King.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Bernie doesn't strike me as a good team player. He certainly wouldn't worry about following the administration's wishes.