2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBill Clinton Blames Millennials For Anger, Economy, Congress
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-clinton-blames-millennials_us_57191d13e4b0d0042da88c9fbill clinton once again showing us all that he has not one shred of personal integrity; by not owning up to the shite- sandwich he and his cronies created , problems were kicked down the road and now the young generation is going to have to find a way to deal with it. and in his delusion all this crap is the fault of the millenial generation of which i am one of. typical clinton dishonesty.
arikara
(5,562 posts)I hope they won't call him Big Dog anymore. Big Bonehead suits him better nowadays.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)but I'll just leave it to the imagination
djean111
(14,255 posts)Jeezy creezy.
And WTF.
Get the hook.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Edited to add.
Dishonestly, in 2008 the hit job on Hillary was that she wasn't a progressive, that she would sell out the party. The vast majority of liberals believed that, so they voted for Obama.
In 2010 those "progressives" were no where to be found and our party got fucked for a generation! Redistricting, a intrenched GOP house and a massive loss of state legislative races.
Now those same people are back and this time the party ain't buying, thank god!
TM99
(8,352 posts)who want 'free shit' were of voting age six years ago.
Think man, think!
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)We are all progressives. I was very specific, the people who vilified HRC in 08 did not show up to vote for democrats and support the person that they launched into office. Hillary supporters have watched the same tactics AGAIN and this time it's not working.
Hillary's supporters in 2008 came to vote for President Obama and to his defense, we showed up to the polls in 2010! This time we're doing it our way. You're welcome to show up to the polls in November AND in 2018, just like we did and if you do, it's very likely the candidate that you prefer in 2024 will also be the nominee.
TM99
(8,352 posts)a progressive in the least.
But don't worry your pretty little head, I always vote.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)It's people like you that gets conservatives into power. I believe in the American people, I believe that their are enough of them to override your third party write in.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Clinton is a conservative, not a progressive liberal. She is center right with neoliberal economic policies, some very moderate come-to-lately social issues, and decidedly neocon in her foreign policy positions.
I am a part of the American people on the left, and we are sick to death of the Clinton New Dems.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Likely after she breaks the glass ceiling, builds a whole new democratic party, appoints 3 liberal justices to the supreme court and has a Presidential library of her own. Maybe then you will say to yourself "Maybe I could have been more optimistic"
TM99
(8,352 posts)This coming from the No We Can't Crowd?!?!?
The Clintons already took over the Democratic Party. She won't appoint three. Oh, and yes, that Presidential library and her being a woman is super important for this country.
Jesus, it is always with the vagina for y'all. We aren't voting for her because she is a woman but because her policies and positions harm us and benefit the worst of the 1%.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Have you been paying attention to what conservatives are saying and doing?
Have you been in a bubble?
TM99
(8,352 posts)You apparently are in a bubble.
The Clintons are neoliberals and she is also a neocon.
They are center right New Dems.
Yes, Virginia, they are conservatives.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)That's the definition of 'conservative'.
demosincebirth
(12,540 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)I'm over the lies and when I see them I am going to call them out.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)gordianot
(15,240 posts)2010-2016 that is six years.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Dear Mr. President, Where were you in all this? Were you getting out the vote? This is not helping the run for president which I assume you support. You are chasing off voters. You and the DNC and DWS and our county chair are all manipulating this election in the wrong direction for the results I assume you want. So you blame millennials? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
KPN
(15,646 posts)And now is not the time to grieve. Now is the time to be strong, resolute, and persistent.
If we can do that, if we can stay committed, we can win this thing in the end -- maybe not this Presidential election, but soon enough. If we do that, with the millennials help we can and will either take over the Democratic Party, or we will break and replace it with a better party that stands up for and aggressively promotes our interests and basic democratic principles once again.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's a shitty place.
Unicorn
(424 posts)He was way better at talking 16 years go. I don't know what happened there.
The elders I know get wiser with age.
dinkytron
(568 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)With a bullhorn.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)And Hillary's beating them over the head and telling them to, "put a dollar in the bucket before you go, Maddi!"
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)what's happening today. The oldest would be all of about 33 years old.
It's all of the older generations that are responsible.
Let's start with the so called "greatest" generation. I'm sorry, but they do not deserve that adoration. Yes, they were those who fought in WWII, and I don't disparage that, but then when they came back from the war, they entered an economy that was absolutely booming. They got married. They had kids. They bought homes. They had jobs that paid excellent wages which went up with productivity (what a novel concept!) and they could afford to have a wife/mother who stayed home, they could go on a two week vacation every year, they could buy a home, they could send their kids to the local public university. Life was good for them. Yes, they worked hard, but they reaped the benefits of that work.
Ever since then, starting about 1980, maybe a bit earlier, maybe a bit later, wages stagnated. College, public college, became increasingly expensive. The cost of owning a home skyrocketed. It became impossible to live as a family if both parents didn't work.
Need I go on?
Bill and Hillary Clinton helped set up the world we now live in, and since they are themselves fabulously wealthy, they haven't a clue what it's like for the rest of us.
I'm a Boomer myself, born in 1948. I used to read old Life magazines, starting with their first issue in November, 1936. Boy, did I learn a lot. The ads alone are incredibly informational.
But to stick to this topic, it was glaringly obvious to me that the war generation really did benefit enormously. Again, I don't want to dismiss their genuine sacrifices, but just from reading the old Life magazines it was obvious to the most casual observer that they did very well in the aftermath of the war.
Some time later I did a more rigorous analysis, using Census data, which confirmed my suspicions. The adults of that era, who'd been punished during the Depression, who'd fought in WWII, who'd been forced to save money during the war, reaped enormous benefits once the war ended. Their savings became the down payments on the houses in which they raised their children -- the Boomer genereation. They did without many material goods, but now could buy, and (more importantly) could afford to buy, the amazing array of consumer goods that were now coming to market.
As a bit of a side note, one of thie things that to me was astonishingly obvious in my reading of old Life's, was that the Civil Rights Movement was inevitable. During the war, African Americans were for the very first time ever, getting good jobs at good pay. No longer was being a cleaning lady the only possible employment for a black woman. Black men were holding jobs previously only available to white men, and often at the wages the white me used to command. So in terms of the Civil Rights Movement, thank God for WWII.
Again, thank you for appreciating my post.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)WAY TO GO DEMOCRATS!
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)must blame someone else
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)Millennials are fairly responsible for our current Congress. No way around it. Even if they got Bernie elected (like they got Obama elected), they'd lose interest and saddle Bernie with a right-wing Congress. Not sure what to do about that.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)Best articulation to date: they'd lose interest and saddle Bernie with a right-wing Congress.
KPN
(15,646 posts)Are you friggin kidding me??!! You just do and propose things that address their interests directly -- not 40 fucking years later through incremental fucking steps!
Jesus Christ!!!
No wonder the Democratic Party is in trouble!!!
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... He got the stimulus bill that created tens of thousands of jobs, invested heavily in alternative energy, increased college education grants, extended unemployment benefits by months, expanded Americorps, forgave student loans of 400,000 disabled students, helped lower student loan interest rates, etc. And he got healthcare protected that allowed perhaps millions of young people remain on their parents health insurance to age 26 or get access to affordable health insurance. Yes, he could have done more if only they had voted.
If you really didn't know those things, Jesus Christ! No wonder the Democratic Party is in trouble! It needs to do more to inform people.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Those rosey stats mean nothing to them. I know in my area we have 3% unemployment and 19% poverty. Then we have politicians talking about how important education is. Hungry kids trying to learn.
People are suffering and the last thing they need to hear is how ungrateful they are because at least they have a job.
KPN
(15,646 posts)Do you have any fucking clue how bad it is for many if not most of them?
The problem really is that you just don't get it. Obama cut young people loose after he was elected -- that's how they feel. If he had gone after single payer like he campaigned on and asked them to come out and fight for it, they would have. But no, he went to the insurance and pharmaceutical industries before he went public and had already scaled his plan back to maybe consider a public option. You think they didn't see that???!!! And see it for what it was????
You think those kids don't know their parents had it a whole hell of a lot better???? You think those kids don't know that it's the current crop of politicians who crafted an average American lifestyle that pales in comparison to their parents???? You think they don't see that the playing field is tilted against them and is getting worse not better????? You think they don't believe the fucking country probably needs to break before it gets better???? You think they are fucking idiots????
Come on man! Stop blaming the kids! If you think its them, then its you who is the problem. How are you going to get them involved if the system doesn't work for them????????? The onus is on you -- not them!!!!
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)I know many of those under 26 have remained on their parents heath insurance and many others have insurance that they can afford. I know that many of them have terrible college debt, but a small number are involved in programs that will lead to some loan forgiveness. I know that the economy has really improved and most of them have jobs, sometimes good jobs.
Obama got things started in his first two years and did a lot of good, but when the millennials didn't turn out and those who did only favored Democrats by a relatively small margins, then Obama was saddled with a conservative Congress. Like Bill Clinton, it was the Congress that tied his hands, and he got very little done.
But, I'm from a good liberal state, Massachusetts, so I wonder if young people in the redder states are suffering more.
KPN
(15,646 posts)He has done some really good things -- including the ACA (at least compared to the lack of a national health plan). But he's also done some piss poor things -- like side with the GOP initially on chained CPI, pushing the TPP and other trade agreements, opening up oil leasing on federal estate even more than Bush. In sum, he hasn't done enough. The jobs that have been created by and large pale in comparison to the jobs that were available to young people in prior generations -- most of the recovery has been in the service sector.
The millennials didn't turn out because Obama didn't rally them and didn't earn their loyalty. They didn't turn out because State candidates didn't appeal to them.
Until the Party recognizes and admits that, they will continue to blame its problems on voters who don't turn out instead of finding ways to excite them. Incrementalism isn't it ... and neither is just bashing the GOP. Give people something to get excited about, something they can get behind, and they will get behind it.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)It makes them feel justified in having trampled on them (in this case, on their futures). In effect, salving their conscience.
Bill Clinton is a huge public and historical figure, but he's a very little man.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)WASHINGTON Former President Bill Clinton left North Korea on Wednesday morning after a dramatic 20-hour visit, in which he won the freedom of two American journalists, opened a diplomatic channel to North Koreas reclusive government and dined with the Norths ailing leader, Kim Jong-il.
Mr. Clinton departed from Pyongyang, the capital, around 8:30 a.m. local time, along with the journalists, Laura Ling, 32, and Euna Lee, 36, on a private jet bound for Los Angeles, according to a statement from the former presidents office.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/world/asia/05korea.html?_r=0
*This is but one of the many, many great things this man has done. He wasn't in elected office when he did this, Sander's was! And Sander's got there by receiving money from Hillary's PAC.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/8/1481616/-Bernie-accepted-money-from-Hillary-PAC
KPN
(15,646 posts)You think you do. I think I do. Granted, he is a great historical figure. But we shall see about "giant". I think he will be less renowned domestically than overseas perhaps. Doimestically, I think he will rank with Coolidge and Hoover.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)If all the young people who claim to be disillusioned now had voted in 2010, we wouldnt have lost the Congress, and wed probably have our incomes back, he said.
Many millennials were probably too young to vote in 2010, it should be noted.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)And then Hillary fails to adequately address ways to improve their situation. Bill speaks to how they have been disillusioned the past 8 years and have seen no real improvement in their situation and Hillary wants to continue the status quo.
That's a definition of privilege. Expecting the votes of a group without addressing their problems. Good luck with that.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)that needs to be muzzled up ASAP.
Good lord Bill!
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)does she remind me of Nixon.
Sheesh
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Nixon-- erases 18 1/2 minutes of a critical tape
Hillary-- "wipes" her server clean of 30,000 e-mails
Nixon: under investigation for the Watergate break-in
Hillary: under investigation by the FBI
apcalc
(4,465 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)and turn it into the secular wing of the Republican party along with of course corporate snake oil salesman Iike you that we desperately lashed onto are the problem not these kid.
What an ass! Maybe you should have inhaled, all that weird breath holding must have killed more brain cells than any toke could.
Laughing Mirror
(4,185 posts)They'll be sorry for this.
Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)He didn't expect the young generation to get up to speed so fast.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)He seems delusional and bitter. Millenials being added to the enemies list now?...the list must be nearing the size of the Clinton Group's enemies list. Such sad people.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)I forget the context exactly, but he always was and as we see here, he continues to excel at faking his way through thick and thin.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Because from my understanding there are multiple women accuse him of raping them.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Didn't vote, if they were able, shares the blame.