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RandySF

(58,899 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:13 AM Apr 2016

A Gradual Shift Comes Clearer As Hillary Clinton Gains More Sanders' Supporters

Freddie Graves walked with her daughter a few blocks from her house to the Wilson-Gray YMCA on Albany Avenue Thursday and entered the Hillary Clinton town hall undecided between the former secretary of state and Sen. Bernie Sanders.

She agrees with what Sanders says and likes the tone of his rhetoric, but doesn't think he has the political chops to turn it into results. As for Hillary, she has long viewed the Clintons as a unit, and held against her the 1994 omnibus crime act, "the law to incarcerate African Americans at a higher rate," as Graves calls it.

Graves lingered in the YMCA gym long after the crowd was gone, and thought about her new resolve.

"I'm convinced now. I just like her message and I like her sincerity," Graves said. I'm looking at Hillary as her own person and I'm glad that I came. ... I was putting her in her husband's shoes until today."

Graves wasn't the only fence-sitter I met at a Clinton campaign event that was overwhelmingly pro-Clinton without hesitation. But with Clinton's big win in New York this week, and with primaries in Connecticut and five other states where Clinton appears strong this coming Tuesday, the direction is inevitable.


http://www.courant.com/business/dan-haar/hc-haar-hillary-clinton-gathers-bernie-supporters-20160421-column.html

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A Gradual Shift Comes Clearer As Hillary Clinton Gains More Sanders' Supporters (Original Post) RandySF Apr 2016 OP
To be followed by a stunning shift back to Bernie when we hit California. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #1
Maybe we can establish a Mike Barnicle Award for a lot of these reporters publishing Clinton talking merrily Apr 2016 #3
^this^ 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #12
Yeah, the usual nonsense about coming to Jesus, and how she will get things done. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #39
Seriously? Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #44
Hillary's sincerity? About what? pangaia Apr 2016 #53
Any day now...wait for it... almost there... just wait till NY... COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #57
Sincerity! merrily Apr 2016 #2
Wow. An undecided voter deciding pat_k Apr 2016 #4
I watched the gun violence meeting streaming live, it was a powerful event. Lucinda Apr 2016 #5
Only American victims of gun violence count. Brown people in countries where eridani Apr 2016 #9
Nor do brown children maimed by HRC's pro-clusterbomb vote! Divernan Apr 2016 #41
then she sends em off to die in fabricated wars 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #14
Hillary Clinton has never been in a position to "send" soldiers anywhere. Check your Constitution... IamMab Apr 2016 #24
you check your fucking facts 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #27
You're as wrong as the last person, only less eloquent about it. IamMab Apr 2016 #29
and you will remain blind that your candidate had influence, is a war monger, 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #38
You are woefully misinformed. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #48
right 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #54
Funded by Bernie...funds for guns, equipment and training Sheepshank Apr 2016 #49
are you attempting to compare his votet 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #56
nope that's not what I was saying...He voted to fund wars Sheepshank Apr 2016 #60
more likely he voted for that for soldier benefits 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #62
The Senate... tonedevil Apr 2016 #59
Both houses vote to declare war? Sheepshank Apr 2016 #61
Yes, we're all so very impressed CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #58
El.Oh.El. AzDar Apr 2016 #6
I'd take claims like this with a pinch of salt. Bad Dog Apr 2016 #7
Nice anecdotes. Let us know when you have data bvf Apr 2016 #8
Why would anyone believe for a moment that this was true? bjo59 Apr 2016 #10
My first thought was - which Clinton aid wrote this email and what did this reporter get in return? DebDoo Apr 2016 #30
Kicked and recommended! Firebrand Gary Apr 2016 #11
The writing on the wall of inevitabiity is becoming clearer with every new poll. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #13
Inexperienced tight rope walkers with no net ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #15
Look out below! LOLOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #16
It's a long way down. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #17
It's gonna leave a mark on the UNWELCOMING Democratic Party Armstead Apr 2016 #33
Bernie fans are solely responsible for their own decisions. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #42
I doubt it Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #45
Sanders will fall in line very soon as well. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #18
but his supporters will not. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #28
I'm sure he'll be brought to heel. lol jmg257 Apr 2016 #31
Do you realize how obnoxious that phrase is? Armstead Apr 2016 #34
Hillary gonna bring him to heel? frylock Apr 2016 #63
K&R Alfresco Apr 2016 #19
Ah, its the weekly I'm leaving Bernie for Hillary article. bobbobbins01 Apr 2016 #20
It's getting to be an almost daily occurence of bullshit spouting. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #21
And what, you're jealous of the competition eating into your turf? nt IamMab Apr 2016 #25
Who were you in your previous incarnation? hobbit709 Apr 2016 #26
DU rec for the very best reason of all...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #22
I can practically set my watch by these "Leaving Bernie" pieces.... Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #23
Absolutely. nc4bo Apr 2016 #32
Agree, after all Brock is spending a million plus to promote this crap. They will damage the Dems Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #35
Down ticket is where the real change occurs! nc4bo Apr 2016 #36
This party needs an Enema! Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #40
Maybe you will lose Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #46
You are already supporting a Republican. Clinton. Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #50
" I like her sincerity," Graves said" HAHAHA! Sincerity!?! jmg257 Apr 2016 #37
Nice story. K & R nt Persondem Apr 2016 #43
A few people does not a shift make Rebkeh Apr 2016 #47
Is anyone in MSM urging Bernie to stay in? I've only heard "it's hopeless" "it's over" WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #51
lol closeupready Apr 2016 #52
Demographics are more important than momentum but there is still an element of the Bandwagon Effect. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #55

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. Maybe we can establish a Mike Barnicle Award for a lot of these reporters publishing Clinton talking
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:23 AM
Apr 2016

points via heartwarming anecdotes.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
39. Yeah, the usual nonsense about coming to Jesus, and how she will get things done.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

Like DOMA
and DADT
and NAFTA
and TPP
and TTIP
and more opposition to gay rights
and partially rolling back Roe vs Wade
and ...

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
4. Wow. An undecided voter deciding
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:41 AM
Apr 2016

Who'da thunk it. During the primary season too.

(A little question: How is that "gaining a Sander's supporter"?)

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
5. I watched the gun violence meeting streaming live, it was a powerful event.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:48 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary mostly served as moderator as several invited quests spoke, and then questions and comments were taken from the floor. Hillary shines in those circumstances. She always has. She listens, not only to the horrific tales, but to the people living in these places who have ideas on how to make change. I've been recommending people watch it if the video becomes available. The stories told break your heart, but also give you hope that communities coming together with the executive, could really transform the lives of these people.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
9. Only American victims of gun violence count. Brown people in countries where
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:29 AM
Apr 2016

--Clinton peddles guns don't.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
41. Nor do brown children maimed by HRC's pro-clusterbomb vote!
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

While a senator, she voted against the US joining the international consortium of countries banning the use of cluster bombs. Then she doubled down on that vote while she was secretary of state, even after having visited an artificial limb center in Laos and being schooled with in-her-face evidence of the maiming, mutilation and murder of innocent civilians by cluster bombs, long after formal, US funded hostilities have ended.Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was confronted by a dramatic legacy of U.S. warmaking during her recent visit to Laos.

There, she ignored the ongoing manufacture and sale of cluster bombs by her buddies in the MIC, and dismissed the continuing cluster bomb maiming, mutiliation and murder of civilians as simply remnants of the Vietnam War.


“At an artificial-limb center, Mrs. Clinton met a nineteen-year-old who lost his forearms and eyesight when a bomb, dropped by the United States Air Force during the Vietnam War and unexploded for decades, finally blew up three years ago,” the New York Times reported.

“The young man, Phongsavath Sonilya, gesticulated with his arm stumps as he explained to Mrs. Clinton that more than three decades after the end of the war, not enough had been done to stop the use of cluster bombs and to support those who may be injured in the future by bombs still lying unexploded in the countryside,” the New York Times reports. “The United States has not signed the Convention on Cluster Bombs."

More than 100 countries have signed the treaty, and more than fifty have ratified it, but the United States stubbornly refuses to join in. The U.S. stance betrays a callousness toward the people whose lives are so severely affected by cluster bombs.

“Farmers tilling their land are often maimed or killed when striking ‘bombies’ that settle below ground,” Tom Fawthrop writes for Foreign Policy in Focus. “Children are frequent victims because they are attracted to the bombies' bright colors and odd shapes.”

Clinton called the artificial limb center she visited “a painful reminder of the Vietnam War era” and added that “the international community will join us in our efforts to bring this legacy of the Vietnam War to a safe end,” as a prelude to announcing a tepid increase in the appallingly modest U.S. handout ($5 million in 2010) to clean up its mess.


- See more at: http://www.progressive.org/clinton_should_have_u_s_sign_cluster_bomb_treaty.html#sthash.aQ8xFFR7.dpuf


 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
24. Hillary Clinton has never been in a position to "send" soldiers anywhere. Check your Constitution...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:54 AM
Apr 2016

...because you've clearly made a huge mistake when it comes to the powers of Secretary of State.

POTUS is Commander in Chief, not any of the Cabinet members, and her first term won't start until January of next year.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
27. you check your fucking facts
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:00 AM
Apr 2016

She not only voted for the war, she was an advocate, convincing others to join her. She has been instrumental in our involvement in other areas. When the SOS recommends it, they listen. Libya. She has caused great harm to many many countries. She is hated here, she is hated there. She will send out kids off to war so her fucking friends can make another billion.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
29. You're as wrong as the last person, only less eloquent about it.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:02 AM
Apr 2016

POTUS commands the troops, not Congress. Constitution 101.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
38. and you will remain blind that your candidate had influence, is a war monger,
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

and our kids will die because of her. But hey, her friends will get richer, so it's all fucking good, right?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
49. Funded by Bernie...funds for guns, equipment and training
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

He had his own war machine at work to send these guys overseas. no funding-no wars

I have a question or rather a clarification. Does the Constitution give the Senate the power to declare war? I thought that provision was for Congress. How long did Hillary serve in Congress?

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
56. are you attempting to compare his votet
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016

To keep legit gun sellers from being sued to Clintons war advocacy and vote along with the catastophy of her time as SOS?

doesn't even begin to come close. In hillarys words "that's just silly"

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
60. nope that's not what I was saying...He voted to fund wars
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

..but since you mention it, there are the tens of thousands of gun deaths that were aided by Bernie's votes, right here at home. Thanks for the reminder


 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
59. The Senate...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

is part of Congress. The other part is the House of Representatives. Both houses vote to declare war.
I guess this is what happens when Civics isn't taught in schools.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
61. Both houses vote to declare war?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

I wasn't raised in the USA so US Civics wasn't taught in our schools. How idiotic of you to presume everyone on DU went to a school that should have been teaching US Civics.

However, I was very aware that there are two houses. My question was a tad more specific dealing Senatorial authority to Declare War.

... your nasty, petty snark wasn't necessary. Assumptions just like the one you made, makes you look like an ass

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
58. Yes, we're all so very impressed
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

that Hillary can parlay unimaginable tragedy into a PR opportunity during a political campaign.

It's ghoulish. Especially when the foreign policies that she has championed and spearheaded for the past 15 years (Iraq War, Libya) have resulted in the deaths of untold numbers of children.

No live-streamed meetings for the parents of those kids.

I am not as beguiled, enchanted and swept away by her hypocrisy.

DebDoo

(319 posts)
30. My first thought was - which Clinton aid wrote this email and what did this reporter get in return?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:03 AM
Apr 2016
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
13. The writing on the wall of inevitabiity is becoming clearer with every new poll.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:51 AM
Apr 2016

Let's wish them a soft landing after their fall from such hallucinatory heights.

The "gradual shift" will become a swelling defection, as November approaches.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. Inexperienced tight rope walkers with no net ...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:27 AM
Apr 2016

... with a hangover, juggling, during an earthquake and with high winds.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
33. It's gonna leave a mark on the UNWELCOMING Democratic Party
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:05 AM
Apr 2016

Thanks, in part, to attitudes like yours...

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
42. Bernie fans are solely responsible for their own decisions.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

I'm convinced that rational and mature voters do not make their decision to vote (or not vote) based on whether or not they felt insulted by an anonymous user on this web site.

What you appear to be describing is what I'd call "bargaining" (ie: "be nice to us or else&quot

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
45. I doubt it
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:29 AM
Apr 2016

Most will recognize the benefits of electing a Democrat...courts...your so called revolution can't survive five GOP court picks. Also, if he was that popular, he would have won the primary. And don't give me the BS excuses of why he didn't...fact is he didn't get the votes.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
20. Ah, its the weekly I'm leaving Bernie for Hillary article.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:40 AM
Apr 2016

Right on time. I hope Brock didn't spend too much of his million dollars in attack money on it.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
32. Absolutely.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:05 AM
Apr 2016

There was, I think a focus group, just before the NY election. A room full of black people and they were asked by show of hands, who supported Clinton vs Sanders.

Majority of AA's raised hands for Clinton followed by a smaller group supporting Sanders.

One more question put out was who changed their mind? A lone, young white guy raised his hand and said he went from Sanders to Clinton followed by <words>.

It was so obvious this dude was a plant and obvious the question was meant to put the spotlight on him.

Just another episode of Kabuki theater brought to you by Clinton, Inc.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
35. Agree, after all Brock is spending a million plus to promote this crap. They will damage the Dems
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016

for decades. I plan never to vote for an establishment Dem at this point.

Which is a weird position, considering I am running for Dem Delegate in my state.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
36. Down ticket is where the real change occurs!
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

We should all be working to elect Bernie Dems on local and State levels everywhere.

This is how we rid the party of 3rd way infiltrators.

The Democratic party needs a deep colon cleanse!

Good luck to you!

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
46. Maybe you will lose
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

Don't see how you can be part of the Dem process when you are willing to help elect Republicans.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
37. " I like her sincerity," Graves said" HAHAHA! Sincerity!?!
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:13 AM
Apr 2016

Fence sitters who can not make up their minds until there is a clear lead established...meh.

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
47. A few people does not a shift make
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

Saying it does not make it so.

People can and should think for themselves, and they should see this effort to control perception for exactly what it is.

It's going to fail.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
51. Is anyone in MSM urging Bernie to stay in? I've only heard "it's hopeless" "it's over"
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

"he has to get out now" "there is no revolution" "young people like to rally but don't like to vote" and my favorite of all "if he stays in any longer he'll weaken Hillary for the GE, she needs to turn her attention to the GE now!"

Good messaging MSM!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
55. Demographics are more important than momentum but there is still an element of the Bandwagon Effect.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:06 AM
Apr 2016

The latter is the last thing the Vermont senator needs now.

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