But 'they' did not and the vote--delegate and popular--is what it is. Hillary Clinton is our nominee. Time to deal with it.

was that a wasted vote?

Not casting a vote is a waste. how you cast your vote=your voice is never wasted.


Besides, many believe that there is no way hills will will in November. They may even consider voting for her to be a wasted action.

He lost. And sadly last night a young person posted he lost his job but was still sending Bernie money...Bernie who has lost. It made sick. Poor kids. Bernie should end this...what good he can accomplish has been accomplished. Now he is causing harm. I hope that kid last night can eat.

I'm a grammar snob, so sue me.

See you at the convention in July. Get used to it... On the other hand, Hillary can concede anytime she wants...so the party can "unify" behind a true progressive.

Bernie is losing and he will NOT be the nominee . The Democratic voters are choosing a Democrat who will win in November . Not some old guy who's only associated with Democrats.

Perhaps a better title would have been

hall for the coronation. Please stop."

If she were a good candidate, there would be no need to protect her from criticism of her own words and actions. It's her own record and beliefs that hurt her. What a bunch of insecure DINOs. Maybe if they hadn't ty to sway so many voters with this idea that she is the only candidate snice day one, they wouldn't have to worry about it.

These cowards only have themselves to blame for hitching their wagons, oops, I mean wallets to the DNC/third way lobbying firm.

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if the party taint me with her potential indictment I will be gone that day, never to return. Just like my grandfather and Richard Nixon.

And at some point you have to stop posting Fox BS...why should we allow our candidate to be picked by lies on the right? They smear and we immediately go along with it. Anything can be investigated and I would remind you that both Rice and Powell had a private server...this is rightwing bullshit reserved for Democrats. It is over so either help us beat the GOP in the fall or head down to Free Republic and help Trump as you are threatening. Your choice but if you are committed to change as you say, you would not help the Republicans who having all the branches of government will destroy any revolution. Have you ever considered what will happen to LGBT if the GOP gets in...do you ever think about the big picture? There are women who are gay, look gay in Carolina being arrested for going to the bathroom...taken to the station and strip-searched. There are more important things than Bernie Sanders...he lost. Time to move on and do what is best for the country.

The state department watchdog found that both Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, America’s top diplomats under president George W Bush, were sent sensitive national security information to nongovernment email addresses.

...Georgia Godfrey, Rice’s chief of staff at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, said the former secretary of state did not use email while in the job nor have a personal email account. It was her understanding that the emails in question were sent to Rice’s assistant, “reporting diplomatic conversations and they contained no intelligence information”.

....Powell has previously said the state department was technologically backward when he joined in 2001 and that he had to fight to get an internet-connected computer installed in his office, from which he continued to use his personal email account.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/04/colin-powell-condoleezza-rice-private-email-accounts-classified-hillary-clinton

No mention that they had private servers.

It will carry into November and beyond .

only the people didn't listen, we the people are so rude we don't accept that we need to take our marching orders and prove our party loyalty- by doing what (D W-S calls) the party elites told usto do. Obviously the people should not make up their own minds but only follow orders

first it was stop all coverage of anyone but Clinton, then it was pretend to ignore him, then it was he can't win don't support or vote for him.then it was he is such a meanie, wah wah wah the rainbows and unicorn guy is a meanie!

this primary was such a joke, I am sure the Mo"M people could say far more than I could.

And the one you backed lost. I know that hurts...been there. I supported Obama last time. But nothing was worse than seeing Kerry go down to Bush...knowing that Ohio probably cheated. The important thing is the country...the GOP can not be allowed to win the presidency.

how clever of her and her staff, you must be so proud of that behavior.

There'll be plenty of time for the republicans to attack Hillary between now and November, but the democrats need to start focusing on down ticket races instead of infighting.

Sander's agenda is a lot more likely to be forwarded with democratic control of congress than it is with the congress under republican control. Even if Bernie is not at the top of the ticket.

If he's serious about forwarding his agenda, he needs to help get democrats elected.

Time to put resources towards the Republicans and Bernie Sanders is not helping...nor are surrogates who post all sorts of crap...not singling you out...some stuff posted is just terrible.

WITH B lack lives matter. Competition makes a stronger candidate, you shouyld be cheering her for getting her ducks in a line.

...despite him going full on negative.

Then the general will come as quite the surprise to you.

What has Bernie said that will be worse then what they say?

Her wanting him to get out of the race says she isn't as comfortable as you think.

Sanders can stay in as long as he wants. But he should also be open to listening to others' opinions on whether or not to do so.
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The cries for Hillary to drop out - and she wasn't nearly as behind in pledged delegates as Bernie is - were deafening.

Just as I suspect Bernie will. But that didn't stop many DUers for calling for her to drop out months earlier.

She was way closer than Bernie. And she stopped criticizing Obama...Bernie is still going after Hillary.

“I disagree with Sen. Obama’s assertion that people in our country cling to guns and have certain attitudes about trade and immigration simply out of frustration. You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl. You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter.”

saying you disagree is nothing like what Bernie is doing right now. I know many on DU have memory or hypocrisy issues but what you posted is hardly an attack like calling someone unqualified.

And believe me, I remember that all too well. The results were wa-a-ay closer in 2008.

or hinting she is going senile or or claiming she will leave americans witthout health care and other lies.

Even a good candidate would be in trouble with the way Bernie is behaving...he lost. Time to concentrate on the General. If he were winning, you all would be screaming for Hillary to get out.

Who do they think they are? They are nobody special to tell him what to do.

I doubt very much that Bernie is going to be very moved by what "insiders" want.

It's pretty outrageous that these "insiders" don't mind taking away the voters' chance to participate simply for their own convenience. The hell with that. Those "insiders" need to be on a list to vote OUT next time.

I know what I'd tell the "insiders" if I were Bernie, "See ya in Philly... bye, Felicia".

These are the members of The POLITICO Caucus, not all of whom participated in this survey:

Colorado: Adam Eichberg, Alan Salazar, Andrew Freedman, B.J. Nikkel, Craig Hughes, Cole Finegan, Frank McNulty, Janice Sinden, Karen Middleton, Laura Carno, Matt Chandler, Mark Ferrandino, Michael Fortney, Owen Loftus, Pat Steadman, Pat Waak, Pete Maysmith, Rick Ridder, Rob Witwer, Roxane White, Ryan Call, Steve Welchert, Taylor West, Ted Harvey, Will Coyne

Florida: Alia Faraj-Johnson, Andrea Reilly, Andrew Weinstein, Andrew Wiggins, April Schiff, Ashley Walker, Ben Pollara, Beth Matuga, Brian E. Crowley, Chris Korge, Christian Ulvert, Damien Filer, David Beattie, David Johnson, Dennis Baxley, Elizabeth Cuevas-Nuender, Eric Johnson, Eric Jotkoff, Fernand R. Amandi, Fred Menachem, Gus Corbella, Jacki Lee, Jessica D. Ehrlich, Joe Mobley, John Dowless, Jon Mills, Joseph Falk, Judith Diaz, Justin Day, Kelly Cohen, Kevin Cate, Kevin Sweeny, Marian Johnson, Mark Ferrulo, Marty Fiorentino, Max Steele, Nelson Diaz, Nick Iarossi, Pamela Burch Fort, Rich Heffley, Richard R. Swann, Rick Wilson, Roger Stone, Ronald L. Book, Ryan Duffy, Ryan Wiggins, Scott Arceneaux, Slater Bayliss, Steve Schale, Steven Vancore, Susan A. MacManus, Tim Baker, Wayne Bertsch

Iowa: Tim Albrecht, Brad Anderson, Rob Barron, Jeff Boeyink, Bonnie Campbell, Dave Caris, Sam Clovis, Sara Craig, Jerry Crawford, John Davis, Steve Deace, John Deeth, Derek Eadon, Ed Failor Jr., Karen Fesler, David Fischer, Doug Gross, Steve Grubbs, Tim Hagle, Bob Haus, Joe Henry, Drew Ivers, Jill June, Lori Jungling, Jeff Kaufmann, Brian Kennedy, Jake Ketzner, David Kochel, Chris Larimer, Chuck Larson, Jill Latham, Jeff Link, Dave Loebsack, Mark Lucas, Liz Mathis, Jan Michelson, Chad Olsen, David Oman, Matt Paul, Marlys Popma, Troy Price, Christopher Rants, Kim Reem, Craig Robinson, Sam Roecker, David Roederer, Nick Ryan, Tamara Scott, Joni Scotter, Karen Slifka, John Smith, AJ Spiker, Norm Sterzenbach, John Stineman, Matt Strawn, Phil Valenziano, Jessica Vanden Berg, Nate Willems, Eric Woolson, Grant Young

Nevada: Adam Khan, Andres Ramirez, Andrew Diss, Barbara Buckley, Bob Cavazos, Brendan Summers, Chip Evans, Chuck Muth, Dan Hart, Daniel Stewart, Ed Williams, Emmy Ruiz, Erven T. Nelson, Greg Bailor, Heidi Wixom, Jack St. Martin, James Smack, Jay Gertsema, Jeremy Hughes, Jim DeGraffenreid, Jon Ralston, Kristen Orthman, Laura Martin, Linda Cavazos, Lindsey Jydstrup, Mac Abrams, Mari St. Martin, Marla Turner, Megan Jones, Michael McDonald, Michelle White, Mike Slanker, Neal Patel, Nick Phillips, Oscar Goodman, Pat Hickey, Paul Smith, Pete Ernaut, Peter Koltak, Riley Sutton, Robert Uithoven, Roberta Lange, Ryan Erwin, Ryan Hamilton, Sam Lieberman, Scott Scheid, Yvanna Cancela, Zach Hudson

New Hampshire: Charlie Arlinghaus, Arnie Arnesen, Patrick Arnold, Rich Ashooh, Dean Barker, Juliana Bergeron, D.J. Bettencourt, Michael Biundo, Ray Buckley, Peter Burling, Jamie Burnett, Debby Butler, Dave Carney, Jackie Cilley, Catherine Corkery, Garth Corriveau, Fergus Cullen, Lou D’Allesandro, James Demers, Mike Dennehy, Sean Downey, Steve Duprey, JoAnn Fenton, Jennifer Frizzell, Martha Fuller Clark, Amanda Grady Sexton, Jack Heath, Gary Hirshberg, Jennifer Horn, Peter Kavanaugh, Joe Keefe, Rich Killion, Harrell Kirstein, Sylvia Larsen, Joel Maiola, Kate Malloy Corriveau, Maureen Manning, Steve Marchand, Tory Mazzola, Jim Merrill, Jayne Millerick, Claira Monier, Greg Moore, Matt Mowers, Terie Norelli, Chris Pappas, Liz Purdy, Tom Rath, Colin Reed, Jim Rubens, Andy Sanborn, Dante Scala, William Shaheen, Stefany Shaheen, Carol Shea-Porter, Terry Shumaker, Andy Smith, Craig Stevens, Kathy Sullivan, Chris Sununu, James Sununu, Jay Surdukowski, Donna Sytek, Kari Thurman, Colin Van Ostern, Deb Vanderbeek, Mike Vlacich, Ryan Williams

North Carolina: Anita S. Earls, Brad Thompson, Bruce Thompson, Charles Wallin, Christopher Sgro, Dee Stewart, Douglas Wilson, Dylan Frick, Francis X. De Luca, Jonathan Felts, Melissa Reed, Michael Luethy, Morgan Jackson, Paul Shumaker, Patsy Keever, Ray Martin, Robin Hayes, Tami Fitzgerald, Taylor Griffin, Theresa Kostrzewa, Thomas Mills

Ohio: Bill DeMora, Bob Clegg, Cindy Demse, Damareo Cooper, David Leland, David Pepper, Erica Bruton, Greg Beswick, Ian James, Jai Chabria, Janet Carson, Jo Ann Davidson, Joe Hallett, Kathy DiCristofaro, Katie Eagan, Mark R. Weaver, Martha Clark, Matt Borges, Melissa Klide Hedden, Michael Gonidakis, Mike Dawson, Molly Shack, Nick Martin, Rhine McLin, Tim Burke, Wes Goodman

Pennsylvania: Charlie Gerow, Christopher Nicholas, Christopher P. Borick, Daniel F. Fee, David P. Sosar, David Thornburgh, Doc Sweitzer, Jason Ercole, Larry Ceisler, Marcel Groen, Mark Harris, Nachama Soloveichik, Ray Zaborney, Todd Stephens, Valentino DiGiorgio

Virginia: Abbi Easter, Bob Marshall, Brian Coy, Carolyn Fiddler, Chris LaCivita, Doris Crouse-Mays, Ed Matricardi, Frank Leone, Gaylene Kanoyton, Janet Carver, Jeannemarie Devoltes Davis, Jo Thoburn, Joe Fitzgerald, John Crosgrove, John Findlay, Marc Broklawski, Margo Horner, Michael Farris, Patsy Brown, Pete Snyder, Ray Allen, Sandra Brandt, Steve Stombres, Sue Langley, Susan J. Rowland, Susan Swecker, Tom Davis, Tucker Martin

Wisconsin: Barry Burden, Brandon Scholz, Emily Nehring, Gary B. Hawley, Jason Rae, Jim Camery, John T. Zaphfel, Kevin Barthel, Meg Andrietsch, Marian Krumberger, Mary Arnold, Michael Basford, Patrick Guarasci, Rebecca Bonesteel, Robert Hansen, Terri Burl

Why don't you just list every elected official in America, and say it's a few of those? That would just as silly as what you just did.

And I don't care who they are (it was a rhetorical question), they have no right to disenfranchise voters because they think they're inconvenienced. They work for us, not the other way around.

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disregards the fact that many people have not voted yet. If they want us to rally around Clinton if she wins (which, by the way, she has not done yet) stop telling those of us who haven't voted yet that we don't count. That is not the way to win us over.

I am sick of this attitude. The last time I checked, Oregon and California were still part of the USA. If we are not, it would be nice to let us know.

There have been innumerable threads trashing Bernie and his supporters for his accurate observation that the South is conservative and votes Republican. It would be nice if Clinton supporters had the same regard for the voters of other states. Somehow, our right to participate in the process of choosing our candidate is seen as unimportant and not worth defending.

Go California! Go Oregon! And go every other state whose residents have not had the chance to vote yet! I was under the impression that there are primaries next week in a number of states, including Pennsylvania. Does that large state not count either?

Marshall is a tea party darling and quite possibly the worst human being in the entire Commonwealth of VA. He is fighting to stop birth control medicine, thinks disabled children are the results of parents having previous abortions, and wants to return to the days of segregation.

Any caucus that includes any input from him is tainted and not worth the crap it takes to
Fuck politico.

I hope they're losing sleep and chugging Maalox.

how does defending herself in primaries affect the general election? If she can't win the nomination fairly, she won't win the general election rightfully.

Is pleased to be frustrating the POLITICO caucus.

if not laughing out loud that "insiders are against Bernie" is news

Times and circumstances change but a political movement against insiders will generally not be worried about what said insiders think. What are they going to do shoot your dog?

of Henry Adams: (approximate quote)

A politician is like a boar hog. Sometimes you have to whack him on,the snout with a big stick to get his attention.

It looks likr Bernie has been whacking a whole lot of Politico Dems smack dab on their snout.

Or maybe their in their pocketbook?

I voted for him in Ohio...like some of his ideas. However, he is showing a selfish side...where he is willing to throw the revolution which can not survive a Republican president under the bus, throw his followers under the bus because you can bet student loans will be given back to the banks and redlining and all the other crap that Obama ended will be back and with five justices over 80...we are so done if the Republicans get in..it took many years to get what we have and anything can be improved upon but not if Bernie continues and costs Democrats the general. I am very disappointed in Bernie Sanders. He has shown a mean spiteful side that I have never seen before. I have to wonder because he must know he lost...if he is trying to cost the Democrats the election as payback.

Give us a break.

I must have sleep through it.

A race can be over practically speaking (as this race was by mid-March) without being over technically speaking. After April 26, Sanders ought to consider very seriously the potential repercussions of remaining in the race just for the sake of remaining in the race. He has no path to 2026 pledged delegates.

they weren't planning on this at all...and definitely didn't see it continuing into the summer...

Bernie is costing them a ton all around...and it's THEIR game which they just are not supposed to lose...let alone have someone not in their clique affect in any way...

sometimes things just don't work out...

This state went for Hillary. Most hardcore Dems in this state like her method of horse trading.

Exactly.

Sid

Refuse to play the game by the rules the elite sets Bernie. This game is rigged. We need a new game. We need new rules. Heck: we'll need a new gameboard if the 1% goes on like this!

Now that Sanders has said he'll stay in the Democratic Party, he should at least be open to suggestions and stop thinking of himself as our savior.
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He's good, not perfect. But the other one is the lesser of two evils. And as for being open to suggestions: how about the DNC actually gives him some time to represent half the party (which voted for him) and implement some of their ideals (which will help to repair those bridges camp Clinton has been happily birning)?

Who the HELL do the DNC think they are to try and ignore Bernie even now?

Maybe his 'tone' -and by that, I mean trash-talking the DNC for decades then joining it at the last second- needs refinement if he's to be taken more seriously. Maybe he will have learned more about how to get his message across to politicians, who aren't quite in the trenches with the rest of us.

Communication is a two-way street. I would like to see a more Progressive view from the DNC.
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Sanders has been very gentlemanly in his critique. It's the content which the DNC doesn't wish to discuss. Which is why they keep howling about Sanders' tone. That's pretty rich, coming from an organisation that was happy to see me called

* fucking retarded (as per Rahm)
* pony-wanter (which by the way was in reference to my civil and marriage rights)
* slut (as per Gloria Steinem)
* hell-bound (as per Madelein Albright)
* complacent (as per DINO-Debbie)
* duped (as per Hillary Clinton)

and so on.

You can't get someone to listen to you if you keep telling them they're all corrupt. To make actual inroads into getting people to change their behavior, you have to be somewhat diplomatic. You have to finesse the situation, not bulldoze it. I don't think Sanders has that ability but he has, despite this, gotten at least part of his message heard.
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Still not buying it. We have compromised with Third Way for thirty years. Now it is their turn.

I N S I D E R S!

With her reckless, murderous, and corrupt policies.

Bernie Sanders is the better candidate and represents what I believe in more so than Hillary.

I disagree completely with her Policies of trade, her policies of war, her support of the wealthy over the middle class.

Two many things in her past and on her record that I could never vote for her.

She is damaged and lacks support throughout the country and is extremely disliked. The only thing she has going for her is that Trump is disliked more. But I won't vote for either of them. I'll vote third party.

And the person who is hurting Hillary Clinton is Hillary Clinton.

Sam

If he wants influence, he needs to quit. Otherwise, he will be a pariah in the Democratic Party.

California and Oregon.

Bernie already has built a base of support that will not go away because of this election. It is more important in the overall scheme of things for him to make sure this base he has built remains standing and continues to work on the planks in Sanders' platform. People are already discussing this, and I think it will be a new political world going forward since he has launched this campaign.

As far as the Democratic party, and the DNC itself, there is no interest in promoting its Third Way element. We are the FDR Democrats, not the Third Way Democrats, and we will be working to preserve true Democratic values.

Sam

It's not a surprise that the insiders want this to be over.

I mean, the "insiders", the beltway conventional wisdom yubnubs, they constantly tell us in breathless tones how "moderate" the electorate is, that what Hillary needs to do ASAP is pivot towards this great, all powerful, (some would say imaginary, but, ...shhhhh) middle. Right?

Okay, well, every minute she's got Bernie Sanders up there as the supposedly wacky, far-off-to-the-left, impractical representation of all that "the middle" won't vote for, she can define herself by opposition as the candidate who is reasonable, moderate, sensible, incremental, practical....


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uh, what? Yeah, okay, where was I?

Oh yeah.

So the second she's the only Democrat on the field, the right will immediately try and tag her with every name that some people here call Bernie Sanders. Wherever she's standing at that moment will immediately become the far left side end zone.

He's doing her a favor, by staying in.

it costs way to much money and is pointless. What does his being there and making the same speech over and over accomplish?

Either way, "insiders" or no, we on the west coast of this nation are going to have our voices heard. Be patient, or dont, your call.

And it should be apparent by now how little we give a shit what certain "connected florida insiders" want us to do.

unlike hers which are lies, smears, and panderings.

He will realize it is a mirage.

He will realize he hurts the progressive and liberal cause by staying in.

He will realize he hurts his position in the caucus.

By mid May he is out by his own suspension. That's my guess

Adulation and hero worship can twist the most decent people out of shape.

Fuck "insiders".

This only makes me want Bernie to stay in even more.

DUers advocating for disenfranchising any voters is shameful.

Shameful.

If Clinton can't take the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen.

We AREN'T surrendering to you corrupt fucking bastards. EVER.

FEEL THE BERN

How condescending can people get?

way!

who have hurt her for those who aren't drinking her Kool Ade? The ones not supporting her, have real issues concerning her and to a lesser extent the DNC.

They have lost a lot of long time Democrats and have failed to bring in new blood like they should and then there are those who all along didn't like her a lick.

She is a polarizing figure.

I think he should keep going until the end of the primaries, but then step aside if he is behind in votes and delegates, unless Hillary is indicted or something (which I think is unlikely). To do otherwise would be to subvert the will of the voters.