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Bob41213

(491 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:10 PM Apr 2016

Six Ways Hillary Clinton’s Email Could Have Been Hacked

This article is about 6 months old but I didn't find it posted here previously. It also seems valid since a lot of people seem to think that there is no possibility the server was hacked. The article is here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-gregg/six-ways-hillary-clintons_b_8071822.html It's a fairly good article. Not the typical cookie cutter article about how she received spam on the Nigerian 411 scammers and such.


These are my own personal thoughts regarding the potential hacks being visible in the security logs. In my assessment, only half would show up in the logs.

Remote Code Execution: Probably shows up but if it's a zero day hack doubtful someone knows what to look for and it probably gets covered up. In fact I'd wager if it's a foreign govt this is going to be invisible in the logs.

Password Attacks: Shows up but if they get admin access, then it can be covered up. If it's only Hillary's acct, you'd likely notice the issue.

Man-in-the-Middle: Not going to show up on her system.

Heartbleed: Not going to show up in the logs. If applicable, would have allowed a knowledgeable party to read her emails till Oct 2010.

Sniffing Email Traffic: Not going to show up in the logs. In my estimation, almost certain this occurred because she traveled early on and had no encryption. Governments would have been all over this and sniffed all her traffic while she traveled. I would have guessed they then went and sniffed her traffic even after she left the country.

Backdooring the IT Provider: Not gonna show up in the logs. Makes me feel sorry for the employees at the firms she used. I bet they have feds going through all their bank records/lives with a fine toothed comb.

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Six Ways Hillary Clinton’s Email Could Have Been Hacked (Original Post) Bob41213 Apr 2016 OP
Which of those actually happened? Thanks. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #1
Can you ask a question that makes sense? Thanks. BeanMusical Apr 2016 #5
What evidence exists to prove any of those events occurred? JoePhilly Apr 2016 #6
I see that your knowledge of computers is limited to the on/off button. BeanMusical Apr 2016 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #11
could = was ... that's deep!!!!! JoePhilly Apr 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #14
I'm always amuzed by annoymous people on the internet ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #20
So you have no evidence ... and you revert to a personal attack. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #12
Do you believe that I hacked or tried to hack her server? There are ample evidences that her server BeanMusical Apr 2016 #18
You did not prove anything. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #21
Sigh. Here: BeanMusical Apr 2016 #24
Guess you missed this part of your article .... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #27
Here, give them a call and ask them: BeanMusical Apr 2016 #38
it doesn't matter *if* it occurred or not tk2kewl Apr 2016 #28
+1 BeanMusical Apr 2016 #39
How's this: has it been proven she threatened someone's job... moriah Apr 2016 #15
You claim her server was HACKED ... but you have no proof. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #19
Uh, are you sure you're talking to the right person? I'm not the OP. Nt. moriah Apr 2016 #22
Oh sorry ... you were not the OP ... you were just changing the topic. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #23
Did I perhaps respond to the wrong person too? moriah Apr 2016 #25
I just can't get enough of hearing about emails and servers!! ... salinsky Apr 2016 #2
I'll bet. dchill Apr 2016 #3
This just proves our next President needs to be an expert in network security. DCBob Apr 2016 #4
Not really. Straw Man Apr 2016 #29
That's why she hired an IT engineer to take care of those things. DCBob Apr 2016 #32
Why? Straw Man Apr 2016 #34
I dont think it would have been appropriate to utilize State Dept staff for her personal server. DCBob Apr 2016 #35
Really? Straw Man Apr 2016 #36
You would be better served discussing this on your local right wing AM The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #7
Really. But he's rather new, too. Nt. moriah Apr 2016 #9
The 7/11 attack probably occurred... Blanks Apr 2016 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #16
But it wasn't apcalc Apr 2016 #26
and you know this because? tk2kewl Apr 2016 #30
We don't know that. Vinca Apr 2016 #31
We don't know. 840high Apr 2016 #33
Security Logs of Hillary Clinton’s Email Server Are Said to Show No Evidence of Hacking DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #37

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
6. What evidence exists to prove any of those events occurred?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

Again ... Thanks in advance for providing links to the "evidence."

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
8. I see that your knowledge of computers is limited to the on/off button.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:29 PM
Apr 2016

And no, I won't waste my time and give you a crash course in hacking 101.

Response to BeanMusical (Reply #8)

Response to JoePhilly (Reply #13)

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
17. I'm always amuzed by annoymous people on the internet ...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

... declaring their superior knowledge on some topic.

I work in emerging technology. I have for years. So I know a few things about computers.

Here's an interesting thing for you to consider.

Official government servers have been hacked in recent years, and we have EVIDENCE that it occurred.

Meanwhile, you want to declare Hillary's server "was" hacked ... even though you have no evidence to prove that actually happened.

See the problem you have?

Probably not.

Response to JoePhilly (Reply #17)

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
18. Do you believe that I hacked or tried to hack her server? There are ample evidences that her server
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:50 PM
Apr 2016

was far less secure than my PC (Google is your friend) and yet I get dozens of alerts each month of random hackers trying to attack my machine. And I'm not a tempting target like a celebrity or the U.S SoS. Thank you for proving my point.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
21. You did not prove anything.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:54 PM
Apr 2016

You guys are making a weak case, and then demanding WE go look for the evidence that supports your claims.

No.

If you have an accusation to make, its on you to provide the evidence.

If you have EVIDENCE .... post it.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
24. Sigh. Here:
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:59 PM
Apr 2016

Why Clinton’s Private Email Server Was Such a Security Fail

http://www.wired.com/2015/03/clintons-email-server-vulnerable/

It's common knowledge. Now please don't ask me for a link that proves that the sky is blue.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
27. Guess you missed this part of your article ....
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016
There’s no evidence, of course, that Clintonemail.com was ever actually compromised. University of Pennsylvania computer science professor Matt Blaze says judging its security versus the State Department’s own email servers would require more information. But he notes that the control of the server’s domain is a real issue. “It’s certainly true that the domain State.gov is probably harder to hijack than clintonemail.com,” says Blaze.

To be fair, the State Department’s track record for its own email security isn’t exactly spotless, even relative to Clinton’s DIY approach.


Now please go find a link that shows actual EVIDENCE ... which as the excerpt above indicates quite clearly you do not have.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
38. Here, give them a call and ask them:
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:36 AM
Apr 2016
https://www.fbi.gov/

FBI Headquarters
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20535-0001
(202) 324-3000

But since she's still being investigated I doubt that they'll tell you much.
 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
28. it doesn't matter *if* it occurred or not
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

the fact that she put her communications at risk of being hijacked without a trace is gross negligence

moriah

(8,311 posts)
15. How's this: has it been proven she threatened someone's job...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:49 PM
Apr 2016

.... for not setting up her private server, etc? Aka, used undue influence to get special treatment to disobey tech security rules in 2008?

I was in IT, and have had the unpleasant task of telling higher ups that they wanted me to set up their server against the rules. The one time I got pushback, my supervisor backed me up. If I hadn't said the rules, it would have been my job on the line, because I was the one who was supposed to be both tech savvy and enforce security rules.

That's far more my concern about this email server when it comes to her executive leadership. Not whether existing tech problems (because the Bush administration was also using private emails for the Secretary of State when not in their ClassNet) led people to give into a person's request without doing their own job of knowing network security and enforcing it even on your boss, when that's your job.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
19. You claim her server was HACKED ... but you have no proof.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

So now you meander off on some new topic about an alleged "threat" to some one's job to set up the server.

Again ... prove her server was hacked. That's what you are trying to claim with this sill OP.

You can't back it up ... that's become clear.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
23. Oh sorry ... you were not the OP ... you were just changing the topic.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 12:58 PM
Apr 2016

To some other non-point.

My bad.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
25. Did I perhaps respond to the wrong person too?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

Because I was responding not to you, but to the person who said your request for proof was a nonsensical question.

Dial back on the coffee hon.

And edit: Just in case I did hit the wrong button, which I fully admit was possible, I would have hoped reading my post would have demonstrated that the response was to BeanMusical's snark about a question that made sense, not your request for proof of the alleged hacking. But ifvI did it the wrong button, and I didn't make myself clear,cI hope this does.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
29. Not really.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016
This just proves our next President needs to be an expert in network security.

All that's necessary is to follow the protocols: the ones established by network security experts.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
32. That's why she hired an IT engineer to take care of those things.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:16 PM
Apr 2016

That seems like the appropriate intelligent thing to have done.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
34. Why?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:37 PM
Apr 2016
That's why she hired an IT engineer to take care of those things.

That seems like the appropriate intelligent thing to have done.

Doesn't the State Department have its own IT people?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
35. I dont think it would have been appropriate to utilize State Dept staff for her personal server.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:03 PM
Apr 2016

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
36. Really?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 09:22 PM
Apr 2016
I dont think it would have been appropriate to utilize State Dept staff for her personal server.

Even if she was conducting State Department business on it?

Response to Blanks (Reply #10)

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
31. We don't know that.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 02:07 PM
Apr 2016

They extradited "Guccifer" from Europe. He hacked into an account that led to the Hillary email scandal. He claims to have things stored in the cloud to bargain for a reduced sentence. Only time will tell.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
37. Security Logs of Hillary Clinton’s Email Server Are Said to Show No Evidence of Hacking
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

WASHINGTON — A former aide to Hillary Clinton has turned over to the F.B.I. computer security logs from Mrs. Clinton’s private server, records that showed no evidence of foreign hacking, according to people close to a federal investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s emails.


Mr. Pagliano told the agents that nothing in his security logs suggested that any intrusion occurred. Security logs keep track of, among other things, who accessed the network and when. They are not definitive, and forensic experts can sometimes spot sophisticated hacking that is not apparent in the logs, but computer security experts view logs as key documents when detecting hackers.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/04/us/politics/security-logs-of-hillary-clintons-email-server-are-said-to-show-no-evidence-of-hacking.html?_r=0

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