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think

(11,641 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:39 PM Apr 2016

Ex-Clinton Staffer Says No to Testifying to Congress

Ex-Clinton Staffer Says No to Testifying to Congress

By Associated Press
April 22, 2016


WASHINGTON (AP) -- A lawyer for the former Hillary Clinton staffer who set up her private email server has told Congress that his client still will not appear before Senate committees investigating the matter.

The Senate committees on the judiciary and homeland security had renewed their request to question Bryan Pagliano about the server after news broke that the FBI, which is also investigating the server, had offered him immunity.

Committee leaders had told Pagliano that the immunity grant should relieve any concerns he had about being prosecuted if he testified before them and requested that he appear before them. He had refused to speak with them last year, invoking his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination in declining to answer questions from the lawmakers about the server and email setup.

But Pagliano's attorney, Mark MacDougall, said in a March 11 letter obtained by The Associated Press on Friday that Pagliano would "respectfully decline" their invitation

MacDougall also stressed that Pagliano had "not waived his rights under the Fifth Amendment as a matter of fact or law," though he did not provide any details about the grant of immunity.....

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/04/22/ex-clinton_staffer_says_no_to_testifying_to_congress_130368.html
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Ex-Clinton Staffer Says No to Testifying to Congress (Original Post) think Apr 2016 OP
I wonder why? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #1
For the exact same reason this person declined to testify before the Tea Party Inquisition... LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #5
She didn't have immunity. n/t Loudestlib Apr 2016 #12
She didn't need it. She wasn't charged with anything. Congressional hearings where Hillary LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #13
GOP congress will not let this one go - they'll slap him with contempt. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #2
Yes, agreed. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #4
Mightn't testifying before Congress jeopardize the FBI investigation? How thrilled is the FBI snagglepuss Apr 2016 #27
Don't you think the FBI would address that? HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #30
The FBI shut their investigation down in March. There is no congressional inquisition. nt floppyboo Apr 2016 #38
No they didn't. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #43
My title was badly written. The FBI stopped their (meaning the DOJ's) investigation. floppyboo Apr 2016 #44
Confused again - Ryan and McCarthy shut down Chaffetz and Gowdy's attempt at an floppyboo Apr 2016 #55
I don't know the answers to those questions. I find it confusing. snagglepuss Apr 2016 #41
Heh... quickesst Apr 2016 #28
Or keeping his career path with Hillary viable. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #33
He already spilled the beans to FBI. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #34
So is he the one who told them about "cut and paste?" n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #47
i think we have a winner. restorefreedom Apr 2016 #35
Your concern is noted. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #25
It won't do him any good to fight this. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #54
He isn't afraid of the US Congress MuseRider Apr 2016 #3
I think we know WHO, don't we? Punkingal Apr 2016 #6
There is a reputation MuseRider Apr 2016 #11
Hillary must have an opinion about this Skink Apr 2016 #7
Didn't she already say she expects her staff to fully comply or something like that. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #19
Smart move. The Republicans are only concerned about politically damaging her. Smart move. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #8
He's also non -political and a young guy. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #9
YUP ... and they'd destroy this guy's life to do it too. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #15
Get ready for the next 4 to 8 years Armstead Apr 2016 #17
Well then, we should cave to the GOP I guess. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #31
Why would he say yes NWCorona Apr 2016 #10
Strange behavior for someone who has "nothing to hide." nt nichomachus Apr 2016 #14
That's EXACTLY what the Republicans said about liberal objections to the Patriot Act Dem2 Apr 2016 #18
Good catch... That was a Republican argument. Lots of people are showing too much leg. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #20
The entire left-right alliance to take out Hillary is a fascinating study Dem2 Apr 2016 #22
Useful idiots come to mind. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #24
so I guess we shouldn't have a fifth amendment dsc Apr 2016 #46
Not so fast, not so fast! Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #56
What if this guy has information that would affect her primary run. What if he feels his life is bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #16
What if? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #21
What if he just doesn't want to participate okasha Apr 2016 #50
"at the Clinton's hands" boy you read in to things. How bout a zealous Hillary supporter. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #58
Keep spinning. okasha Apr 2016 #59
Of course.. This was obvious decision. DCBob Apr 2016 #23
Why would anyone agree to testify before those nutcases? KingFlorez Apr 2016 #26
BTW, when is the next round of Benghazi hearings? The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #29
Ask Patrick Murphy. /nt think Apr 2016 #32
NOT NEWS. The article is dated today - the refusal to appear is Mar.11. floppyboo Apr 2016 #36
1st off it's in GD :P not in Breaking News. 2nd. The AP is reporting they got this info today. think Apr 2016 #37
Huh? floppyboo Apr 2016 #40
This most definitely is new paulthompson Apr 2016 #39
Well, that is interesting. Wonder how congress is getting around the FBI request? floppyboo Apr 2016 #42
You're still confused paulthompson Apr 2016 #48
Find me a link. I must be confused. The DOJ is part of the executive branch? floppyboo Apr 2016 #49
Yes, you're still confused paulthompson Apr 2016 #52
thanks for the clarrification. nt floppyboo Apr 2016 #57
They did NOT tell the DoJ to stop investigating Oilwellian Apr 2016 #60
I'm probably older than most of you WhenTheLeveeBreaks Apr 2016 #45
Any relation to Susan and Jim of White Water infamy? notadmblnd Apr 2016 #51
Just like the republicans did...they refused and nothing happened. Unfuckingbelievable! haikugal Apr 2016 #53

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
13. She didn't need it. She wasn't charged with anything. Congressional hearings where Hillary
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:04 PM
Apr 2016

is concerned are purely political.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
2. GOP congress will not let this one go - they'll slap him with contempt.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:41 PM
Apr 2016

The damage from this is really going to sting by November, if we continue down this disastrous path.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
4. Yes, agreed.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

Congress will slap him with contempt. This has the appearance that he's more afraid of Clinton revenge than Congressional response.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
27. Mightn't testifying before Congress jeopardize the FBI investigation? How thrilled is the FBI
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

about this possibility?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
30. Don't you think the FBI would address that?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:26 PM
Apr 2016

Did they make a statement that his testimony would jeopardize the investigation? Did they insist on a closed hearing or postponement of a couple months?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
43. No they didn't.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016

They finished examining the emails. Comey said they were proceeding to the next phase, of interviewing Clinton, aides, and witnesses. I believe they're interviewing the hacker they extridicted from Romania currently. Don't think they've interviewed Clinton or aides yet. Final phase is to review evidence with DoJ attorneys to determine if crimes have been committed, by whom, and if there is enough evidence to get convictions.
The investigation is not over...wishfull thinking by Hillarians doesn't make it so.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
44. My title was badly written. The FBI stopped their (meaning the DOJ's) investigation.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

It reads like I meant the FBI stopped their own investigation. Misleading. My bad writing.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
55. Confused again - Ryan and McCarthy shut down Chaffetz and Gowdy's attempt at an
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016

Senate Oversight Committee investigation - looks like that was Mar.21. Chaffetz et al. are continuing probing around under the guise of the Benghazi Committee, but can only use FOIA - so pretty useless re. confidential material.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
28. Heh...
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

Seems like we can't put these things away for 5 minutes before we have to drag them back out again.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
34. He already spilled the beans to FBI.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:30 PM
Apr 2016

I doubt he has a Clinton future. Probably concerned about riding in small planes.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
54. It won't do him any good to fight this.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:17 PM
Apr 2016

If he refuses to testify before Congress, it will make it look like he has something to hide.
Then the perception about him having something to hide will be used against Hillary for the rest of the campaign season.

The damage will be real before the primary season is over.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
3. He isn't afraid of the US Congress
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:44 PM
Apr 2016

because of immunity granted. It makes me wonder just WHO he is afraid of.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
11. There is a reputation
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 03:53 PM
Apr 2016

there isn't there.

It was my very first thought. If Congress called me with offered immunity I would go in an instant, it is like a court order right? I did not know you had the right to say no. If contempt charges are not enough to bring this about it makes me wonder how much is a stake for this man.

IOW, this makes sense in only one way for me. He is afraid but not of the US Congress. I hope we hear more. I don't really like thinking this.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
19. Didn't she already say she expects her staff to fully comply or something like that.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:06 PM
Apr 2016

I just wonder if SHE will go for her interview with the FBI.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
17. Get ready for the next 4 to 8 years
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:00 PM
Apr 2016

There will be variations on this theme on this and other things for as long as she's in office.

And variations of this theme will become the preoccupation of Congress and the media and ultimately the WH.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
18. That's EXACTLY what the Republicans said about liberal objections to the Patriot Act
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:04 PM
Apr 2016

Of course, there's no difference any longer when it comes to "disqualifying" Hillary - both left and right are eager to take her down by any method available.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
22. The entire left-right alliance to take out Hillary is a fascinating study
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:08 PM
Apr 2016

in "by any means necessary". Next thing we'll hear that waterboarding is OK if it's done to a Hillary staffer to "get the truth".

dsc

(52,162 posts)
46. so I guess we shouldn't have a fifth amendment
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:25 PM
Apr 2016

since what use would it be for anyone who didn't have something to hide.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
16. What if this guy has information that would affect her primary run. What if he feels his life is
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 04:56 PM
Apr 2016

threatened. What if he knows too much...what if...

okasha

(11,573 posts)
50. What if he just doesn't want to participate
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016

in Trey Gowdy's witchhunt? Or lend any credence to their smear campaign?

Your insinuation that the man might fear for his life at the Clintons' hands is straight up Rove propaganda. Sixteen million buys a lot of it, no?

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
58. "at the Clinton's hands" boy you read in to things. How bout a zealous Hillary supporter.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:48 PM
Apr 2016

Or somebody in the upper crust not even associated with the Clinton's...what if there is a serious threat to his life. The President gets threats everyday from crazy people or people who believe one thing or another. Please do not put words into my mouth (or post)

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
23. Of course.. This was obvious decision.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:12 PM
Apr 2016

Even if i had nothing to hide I would never submit to a gop inquisition unless I had to.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
36. NOT NEWS. The article is dated today - the refusal to appear is Mar.11.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:38 PM
Apr 2016

This is new?
The FBI told the DOJ to stop their investigation.

Where is the 'news' here?

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-fbi-asked-the-state-department-to-stop-investigating-hillary-clintons-emails-2016-4


The department consulted the FBI about this in February, and in March the law enforcement agency asked the State Department to halt its inquiry.


"The FBI communicated to us that we should follow our standard practice, which is to put our internal review on hold while there is an ongoing law enforcement investigation," State Department spokeswoman Elizabeth Trudeau told reporters.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
37. 1st off it's in GD :P not in Breaking News. 2nd. The AP is reporting they got this info today.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:49 PM
Apr 2016

3rd. This is not about the DOJ investigation. This is congress wanting to interview the person.

Maybe you were responding to a different thread?

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
40. Huh?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:56 PM
Apr 2016

Does it matter what thread? Just pointing out it is mis-leading. And old. And doesn't make sense in context of 'now'. Congress is not wanting to interview him now - Read the article you posted - that was March 11. Congress is no longer investigating. Read the link I posted.

This was in almost every publication back over a month ago. AP may be re-printing today, but reporting? No.


paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
39. This most definitely is new
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:52 PM
Apr 2016

The refusal happened on March 11, but it only became public knowledge today. That makes it news.

And the link you cite is about putting a State Department investigation on hold in favor of the FBI investigation, which has nothing to do with this, which is appearing before Congress.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
42. Well, that is interesting. Wonder how congress is getting around the FBI request?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:01 PM
Apr 2016

I must have my time line messed up. What does the March 11 letter have to do with today? Do you have a link for a congressional investigation going on today?

btw - I am not hoping for a Clinton pardon. Just want to keep the facts straight. Clinton supporters should beware of hurting the Democratic party.

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
48. You're still confused
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

A State Department investigation is totally different from a Congressional investigation. You keep acting like they're the same or similar. The FBI isn't going to tell Congress what it can or can't do.

Also, this is very relevant to today because the Congressional investigators aren't going to take Pagliano's refusal lying down. I'm sure there's more maneuvering going on behind the scenes. But what's getting reported to the public is obviously coming with a delay, as often happens in cases like these.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
49. Find me a link. I must be confused. The DOJ is part of the executive branch?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

The Department of Justice is/was a congressional investigation? What congressional investigation are you talking about? Do you have a link?

The AP article is from yesterday, the 21st (reported in your article as today) was from Comey speaking to reporters in London, answering questions of the investigation. He was providing old news to a new crowd.

paulthompson

(2,398 posts)
52. Yes, you're still confused
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:12 PM
Apr 2016

The FBI is investigating Clinton's emails. The FBI is part of the Justice Department.

By contrast, there's no formal Congressional investigation into Clinton's emails right now. However, Congress members can do whatever they want, they can hold hearings on whatever they want. From time to time, some in Congress have gotten involved in this email stuff, especially as part of the House Benghazi Committee. To give an example, when it came out in the news that Platte River Networks managed Clinton's emails, a senator or two wrote a letter to that company asking if they had security clearance to deal with classified information. (It turns out they didn't.) Often, Congressional investigators (meaning people working on the staff of various senators or representatives) can get answers that even news reporters can't due to their special powers and authority.

That's what's happening here with Pagliano. So the FBI investigation isn't the only game in town. There also are dozens of lawsuits going on slowly forcing more of this info into the public light. Sometimes these other things step on the toes of the FBI investigation, in which case the FBI asks for some info to stay secret until their investigation is over. That's happened with one or two of the lawsuits recently.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
60. They did NOT tell the DoJ to stop investigating
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

They told the Dept. of State to stop their independent investigation being conducted at the time.

The FBI is working with the DoJ in this case and keeping them informed about where the investigation has lead them. Once the FBI recommends an indictment, it will be up to the DoJ to decide whether to prosecute or not.

 
45. I'm probably older than most of you
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:22 PM
Apr 2016

Back in '72/'73 I believe the FBI was a corrupt organization. They really weren't that interested in getting to the bottom of the Nixon administration crimes. You got the feeling their motto was "nothing to see here".

If it wasn't for the Sam Irvin Watergate committee that eventually pried out John Dean and then the tapes, I believe Nixon would have served out his term. As a matter of fact, I'm sure of it.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
53. Just like the republicans did...they refused and nothing happened. Unfuckingbelievable!
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

I feel like we're all being sucked into a nightmare...1984 and Animal Farm.

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