2016 Postmortem

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts) Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:27 PM Apr 2016

Howard Dean: Sanders ‘getting pretty close to the end’

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean (D) on Friday said Bernie Sanders’s Democratic presidential campaign is on its last legs.

“I have been exactly where Bernie is, or pretty close to where Bernie is,” he said on MSNBC, referencing his unsuccessful 2004 White House run.

“I know how hard this is,” Dean added on "Morning Joe." "This is when you see you’re not going to win. If he has the week it looks like he’s going to have, we’re getting pretty close to the end.”
Dean said he thinks Sanders will struggle with suspending his bid.

“I’m sure he’s very angry. ... He’s even more competitive than I am."

“He couldn’t stand to lose a pickup basketball game in Burlington,” Dean added, referring to the Vermont city where Sanders once served as mayor. "He doesn’t apologize. He doesn’t back down. It’s not in his nature. This is going to be a hard transition for him.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277295-dean-sanders-getting-pretty-close-to-the-end

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Howard Dean: Sanders ‘getting pretty close to the end’ (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 OP

... liberalnarb Apr 2016 #1

Howard Dean has been brought to heel GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #30

It sounds like this will be a good learning experience for Bernie then. Lucinda Apr 2016 #2

The most ennobling thing for a candidate is to bow to the will of the people. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #4

and the will of the Corporate State of America (the one that really decides) Armstead Apr 2016 #24

Really! elleng Apr 2016 #52

ciao...have a good break Armstead Apr 2016 #53

If anyone does, it logically would be Jane. nt kstewart33 Apr 2016 #22

howard:you are a sellout and have lost all cred. restorefreedom Apr 2016 #3

YEp - COming from a highly paid corporate lobyist Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #21

like so many others....sigh.....nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #42

Dislike the message, shoot the messenger. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #23

dislike the message AND the messenger. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #25

+1 Dean's opinion is regarded by who anymore, some of his pundit panel, maybe. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #32

and lobbyist buds :( nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #41

One fellow lobbyist at Dean's firm is Newt Gingrich who also worked with Bill Clinton appalachiablue Apr 2016 #47

He's just stating the obvious. Bleacher Creature Apr 2016 #5

Sanders knows that KingFlorez Apr 2016 #6

It sounds more to me like Sanders has sufrommich Apr 2016 #7

That too KingFlorez Apr 2016 #10

And there still is money to be had for Weaver, Devine, et. al. How much is the campaign paying.... George II Apr 2016 #11

I never thought about that KingFlorez Apr 2016 #14

His campaigns have already paid Jane and other family members in previous campaigns. George II Apr 2016 #16

Jane plays a major role in the operation of Bernie's campaign. oasis Apr 2016 #45

He's very angry nichomachus Apr 2016 #8

Did he scream it? azurnoir Apr 2016 #9

! appalachiablue Apr 2016 #33

Is the paid lobbyist hoping for a bonus in his next paycheck? Skwmom Apr 2016 #12

A good perfornance means a box of Nilla Wafers, outstanding and it's a bag of Oreos, appalachiablue Apr 2016 #36

K & R. Thanks for posting. I saw that interview and found Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #13

"We're going to California" - Howard Dean jfern Apr 2016 #15

It was almost a revolution? Sheepshank Apr 2016 #17

Pretty dishonest not to note that Dean is a paid lobbyist for the healthcare industry, as well Romulox Apr 2016 #18

I merely cited an article. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #19

I was speaking of the article. nt Romulox Apr 2016 #20

I wasn't aware that Dean was privy to Sanders' campaign plans.. shalafi Apr 2016 #26

Dean has had it in for Bernie for years now...even though Bernie never did anything to him. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #27

Yeah he did, Bernie beat him at B.ball and squash, badly. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #35

Always knew Bernie got game. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #59

I've read that buying a journal and making enemy lists can be very therapeutic. n/t That Guy 888 Apr 2016 #28

Don't project, Howard. He's not the loser you are. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #29

+2 appalachiablue Apr 2016 #61

Howie baby, you were't anywhere CLOSE to were Bernie is now. frylock Apr 2016 #31

I miss the old Dean. You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #34

No doubt it will be difficult for Bernie. DCBob Apr 2016 #37

"He doesn’t apologize"... He doesn't improve either uponit7771 Apr 2016 #38

I trust Howard Dean's judgement. He's in a good position to know these things. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #39

Howard Dean hasn't been where Sanders is. Orsino Apr 2016 #40

Howard is correct in this sense... SHRED Apr 2016 #43

LOL. Dean compares himself to Bernie. What a jackass Dean has become. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #44

Sanders' health plan runs counter to Dean's profits SHRED Apr 2016 #46

Howard Dean's Dentons Law Firm client list BlueStateLib Apr 2016 #48

So he does believe what he says SHRED Apr 2016 #50

+5 Thanks. How low can people go, esp. ones with education and privilege, all for $$. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #60

+1 Insurance & Bank Lobbyists Howard Dean and Barney Frank, LLC v. Sanders. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #57

STFU, Dr. Sellout Carolina Apr 2016 #49

I've pointed to April 26 as H-Day for weeks now. HD is correct. It's all over after Tuesday. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #51

We'll see if he has a statesman's bone in his body BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #54

Based on my view of this flame throwing, floriduck Apr 2016 #55

Consider the Source jimmy_crack_corn Apr 2016 #56

"I am Howard Dean's Special Interest"... Anyone remember that? ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #58

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)

1. ...

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:31 PM

Apr 2016

“I have been exactly where Bernie is, or pretty close to where Bernie is,” he said on MSNBC, referencing his unsuccessful 2004 White House run.

And now you're a sellout lobbyist for the insurance companies!

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)

30. Howard Dean has been brought to heel

Reply to liberalnarb (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:53 PM

Apr 2016

How sad for a guy that had a chance to breathe some life into the future of this Party.

And as long as we are in DJ mode, to the OP: See you in Philadelphia. Until then:

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)

2. It sounds like this will be a good learning experience for Bernie then.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:31 PM

Apr 2016

I can see how it would be quite difficult, but I suspect Jane will help the landing. From what I've read she has been ahead of the curve from the beginning, and has a good sense of how to help him cope.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

4. The most ennobling thing for a candidate is to bow to the will of the people.

Reply to Lucinda (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:33 PM

Apr 2016

Armstead

(47,803 posts)

24. and the will of the Corporate State of America (the one that really decides)

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:34 PM

Apr 2016

elleng

(130,972 posts)

52. Really!

Reply to Armstead (Reply #24)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:25 PM

Apr 2016

Outta here for a while, Armstead.

Armstead

(47,803 posts)

53. ciao...have a good break

Reply to elleng (Reply #52)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:34 PM

Apr 2016

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)

22. If anyone does, it logically would be Jane. nt

Reply to Lucinda (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:28 PM

Apr 2016

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

3. howard:you are a sellout and have lost all cred.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:32 PM

Apr 2016

oh, and piss off

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)

21. YEp - COming from a highly paid corporate lobyist

Reply to restorefreedom (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:28 PM

Apr 2016

who has sold out the American middle-class to satisfy his greed.....

piss off..

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

42. like so many others....sigh.....nt

Reply to Ferd Berfel (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:25 AM

Apr 2016

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)

23. Dislike the message, shoot the messenger.

Reply to restorefreedom (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:29 PM

Apr 2016

A too common theme.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

25. dislike the message AND the messenger. nt

Reply to kstewart33 (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:39 PM

Apr 2016

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)

32. +1 Dean's opinion is regarded by who anymore, some of his pundit panel, maybe.

Reply to restorefreedom (Reply #25)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:12 AM

Apr 2016

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)

41. and lobbyist buds :( nt

Reply to appalachiablue (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:24 AM

Apr 2016

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)

47. One fellow lobbyist at Dean's firm is Newt Gingrich who also worked with Bill Clinton

Reply to restorefreedom (Reply #41)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:10 PM

Apr 2016

in 1997 on a plan to privatize Social Security. The privatization of SS would have succeeded but not for the Monica Lewinsky scandal that broke in early 1998. She should receive an honorarium or something for that intervention!
What a twisted lobbyist system and group of buy-partisan ex public officials, one hand washes the other foot. Whatever.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)

5. He's just stating the obvious.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:33 PM

Apr 2016

I know it's not going to go over well on some parts of DU, but it's hard to argue with anything he says.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)

6. Sanders knows that

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:34 PM

Apr 2016

He's only staying in because he hates Hillary (and she hates him right back). It's very evident that these two candidates loathe each other at this point.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)

7. It sounds more to me like Sanders has

Reply to KingFlorez (Reply #6)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:35 PM

Apr 2016

some ego issues.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)

10. That too

Reply to sufrommich (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:40 PM

Apr 2016

George II

(67,782 posts)

11. And there still is money to be had for Weaver, Devine, et. al. How much is the campaign paying....

Reply to sufrommich (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:42 PM

Apr 2016

....Jane? Is that why they don't want the 2015 tax return released?

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)

14. I never thought about that

Reply to George II (Reply #11)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:49 PM

Apr 2016

If Jane Sanders is getting paid, that could constitute shifting campaign funds to personal use, which is sketchy. I think you are onto something here.

George II

(67,782 posts)

16. His campaigns have already paid Jane and other family members in previous campaigns.

Reply to KingFlorez (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:52 PM

Apr 2016

oasis

(49,389 posts)

45. Jane plays a major role in the operation of Bernie's campaign.

Reply to KingFlorez (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:30 AM

Apr 2016

It never entered his mind that she'd be a non-paid volunteer.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)

8. He's very angry

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:35 PM

Apr 2016

That's a line direct from the Clinton War Room. So, we know where Howard gets his marching orders. Isn't he a corporate lobbyist now?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)

9. Did he scream it?

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:37 PM

Apr 2016

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)

33. !

Reply to azurnoir (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:13 AM

Apr 2016

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)

12. Is the paid lobbyist hoping for a bonus in his next paycheck?

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:42 PM

Apr 2016

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)

36. A good perfornance means a box of Nilla Wafers, outstanding and it's a bag of Oreos,

Reply to Skwmom (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:25 AM

Apr 2016

the double ones if you're really lucky..

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)

13. K & R. Thanks for posting. I saw that interview and found

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:47 PM

Apr 2016

his analysis to be very heartfelt and personal. He literally has been there, done that.

jfern

(5,204 posts)

15. "We're going to California" - Howard Dean

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:50 PM

Apr 2016

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)

17. It was almost a revolution?

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:58 PM

Apr 2016

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
For people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right
Ah

Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right
All right, all right, all right
All right, all right, all right

This talk of Bernie's isn't new, it isn't radical, it isn't unique. It's cyclical and Bernie was forcing the cycle.

Romulox

(25,960 posts)

18. Pretty dishonest not to note that Dean is a paid lobbyist for the healthcare industry, as well

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:04 PM

Apr 2016

as an employee of the Clinton campaign.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)

19. I merely cited an article.

Reply to Romulox (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:20 PM

Apr 2016

Romulox

(25,960 posts)

20. I was speaking of the article. nt

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #19)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:21 PM

Apr 2016

shalafi

(53 posts)

26. I wasn't aware that Dean was privy to Sanders' campaign plans..

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:42 PM

Apr 2016

Did he change his endorsement from Clinton to Bernie?

Otherwise, Dean can STFU and go back to being a lobbyist.

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)

27. Dean has had it in for Bernie for years now...even though Bernie never did anything to him. n/t.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:43 PM

Apr 2016

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)

35. Yeah he did, Bernie beat him at B.ball and squash, badly.

Reply to Ken Burch (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:20 AM

Apr 2016

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)

59. Always knew Bernie got game. n/t.

Reply to appalachiablue (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:01 PM

Apr 2016

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)

28. I've read that buying a journal and making enemy lists can be very therapeutic. n/t

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:49 PM

Apr 2016

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)

29. Don't project, Howard. He's not the loser you are.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:52 PM

Apr 2016

Don't you have some Pharma profits to assure? The public could be gouged a little deeper, I'm sure.

Why do we appoint lobbyists as superdelegates? Anyone?

One of two things is true:
1) the party is broken
2) it is not longer home to non-broken people.

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)

61. +2

Reply to lumberjack_jeff (Reply #29)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:10 PM

Apr 2016

frylock

(34,825 posts)

31. Howie baby, you were't anywhere CLOSE to were Bernie is now.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:32 PM

Apr 2016

YEARRRRRRRGGGHHHH!!!

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)

34. I miss the old Dean. You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain.

Reply to frylock (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:19 AM

Apr 2016

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/18609-howard-dean-scream

DCBob

(24,689 posts)

37. No doubt it will be difficult for Bernie.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:29 AM

Apr 2016

The yuuuge crowds, the money, the media, the attention, the spotlight.. I am sure its gone to his head.

Eventually he will have to if he intends on being a productive member of the Democratic party.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)

38. "He doesn’t apologize"... He doesn't improve either

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:04 AM

Apr 2016

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)

39. I trust Howard Dean's judgement. He's in a good position to know these things.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:06 AM

Apr 2016

Orsino

(37,428 posts)

40. Howard Dean hasn't been where Sanders is.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:57 AM

Apr 2016

He was briefly the ridiculed underdog, sure, but Dean hasn't committed to and led a campaign anywhere near as successful.

But he certainly can read a script.

SHRED

(28,136 posts)

43. Howard is correct in this sense...

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:28 AM

Apr 2016

We will not back down.
This leftward movement in the Democratic Party will continue.

Hint: This is bigger than just about Bernie Sanders.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)

44. LOL. Dean compares himself to Bernie. What a jackass Dean has become.

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:30 AM

Apr 2016

His failed campaign crashed and burned early.

There is no evidence that Bernie is angry, having difficulty coping, or should even entertain the idea of quitting (like the failure Dean).

SHRED

(28,136 posts)

46. Sanders' health plan runs counter to Dean's profits

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:34 AM

Apr 2016

Anybody with any sense would see he's extremely biased.

Howard Dean, Now Employed by Health Care Lobby Firm, Opposes Bernie Sanders on Single-Payer

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/14/howard-dean-lobbyist/

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)

48. Howard Dean's Dentons Law Firm client list

Reply to SHRED (Reply #46)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:08 PM

Apr 2016

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/firmsum.php?id=D000066633&year=2015

Howard Dean is annoyed. He wants his own arguments to be evaluated on their merits, regardless of where he works these days. “I do work part-time for a law firm. And a law firm has clients,” he told TIME on Monday, after publishing a Wall Street Journal op-ed criticizing a key part of ObamaCare. “I dare say some of the clients think is great, but I don’t write stuff because the clients like it. I write stuff because I believe it.”
http://swampland.time.com/2013/07/30/howard-dean-defends-his-work-for-lobbying-firm-after-backlash/

SHRED

(28,136 posts)

50. So he does believe what he says

Reply to BlueStateLib (Reply #48)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:59 PM

Apr 2016

Even worse I guess.

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)

60. +5 Thanks. How low can people go, esp. ones with education and privilege, all for $$.

Reply to BlueStateLib (Reply #48)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 06:09 PM

Apr 2016

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)

57. +1 Insurance & Bank Lobbyists Howard Dean and Barney Frank, LLC v. Sanders.

Reply to SHRED (Reply #46)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 05:53 PM

Apr 2016

Go figure. Huh?

Carolina

(6,960 posts)

49. STFU, Dr. Sellout

Reply to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)

Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:19 PM

Apr 2016

Hate to say it but it seems we were wrong about you in 2004, and the media was right to peg you as off with your Dean scream... how sad that you've devolved