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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:37 PM Apr 2016

Wanna know why David Brock and Correct The Record are raising money to fight online smears?

It's because Bernie supporters are peddling conspiracy theories all over the place.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/monica-bauer/berning-up-the-internet-c_b_9750218.html

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“The reasons for this “loss” are quite simple. In Nov and Dec last year the Dem Party database firewall went down on 3 occasions. On the last occurrence a former Clinton employee who was placed within the Sanders Campaign staff as manager of their own database within the Dem Party overall voter database, “downloaded” a portion of Clinton’s voter database. This “inside job” created a false story that hid the actions of the Clinton Campaign, who in all likelihood accessed the complete Sander’s voter database and used that as a basis to organize a purge of Sander’s voters from Ohio, Arizona, NY (as well as more states to come and past).
Also note that tonight’s poll results, just like Ohio and Arizona are being reported as static % voting for Clinton over Sanders with a 21% lead. This is an impossibility tonight just as it was in the previous two “odd” elections where exit polling (usually highly accurate) shows a small vote differential or 3-6%. In truth the states different regions and precincts votes in very different patterns than the static 21% being shown. In some Clinton win by 60-40, in others Bernie won 60-40...and larger variable % differences have already been individually reported. If those were being accurately reported in the major media counts, the % difference between the candidates would be jumping around dramatically. The very static nature of the % the media is reporting is a definitive sign of collusion between the DNC/Clinton camps and those major media news outlets. Please Share and repost.”


This is unedited. You can go and check this out yourself on her Facebook page, or on the page for Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Pennsylvania, which is where I tracked it down.

Of course, one of the biggest hazards of social media is repeating “information” from sources that may have zero credibility. Say what you will about the Mainstream Media, an editor will ask a journalist “what is the source of this information” in terms of news, and in terms of opinion, “in what way do any of your assertions here resemble anything close to verifiable data”?

Notice the classic hallmarks of paranoid fantasy without evidence: that the downloading of data from the Clinton campaign by a Sanders researcher was an “inside job” done by a closet Clinton operative, for what reason exactly? Oh, to create a “false story” that the Sanders campaign downloaded this stuff, so that the Clinton campaign could then “in all likelihood” download all of the Sanders’ voters database, which then would allow the Clinton campaign to work with the DNC to somehow “purge” only the Sanders voters from voters rolls in states like New York.
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Wanna know why David Brock and Correct The Record are raising money to fight online smears? (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 OP
LOL nichomachus Apr 2016 #1
Yep. Lucinda Apr 2016 #2
I guess the first question would be why is there smearing i the first place? Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #3
Smears are like libel and slander: k8conant Apr 2016 #7
There is a lot of that going around. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #12
The truth is always a defense against libel and slander. leveymg Apr 2016 #16
Poisoning the well, salting the ground, playing the spoiler. MADem Apr 2016 #19
We are fighting to save our democracy from the Rich and Powerful that rhett o rick Apr 2016 #26
No, you're not. MADem Apr 2016 #28
No you are judging us as if we were you (projection). We won't work to spoil anything. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #30
LOL. The one with the most votes is NOT your candidate. MADem Apr 2016 #31
I am sick of the hubris and arrogance. See ya rhett o rick Apr 2016 #32
Of course! TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #4
You'd think they'd be embarrassed. MADem Apr 2016 #5
Brock doesn't embarrass easily. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #11
I wasn't talking about Brock, but you knew that. MADem Apr 2016 #17
Yup. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #33
I assume that Kathryne Anne Hamilton is on DU. DURHAM D Apr 2016 #6
Truly bizarre. nt sufrommich Apr 2016 #8
K&R mcar Apr 2016 #9
Because they can't win on the issues? Android3.14 Apr 2016 #10
You have a point on the issues, there are realistic agenda and unrealistic agenda, don't hear much Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #24
Says the playwrite of "The Real Machiavelli". Wilms Apr 2016 #13
Because that way they get paid for posting? nt leveymg Apr 2016 #14
Keep Hillsplaining to us. jfern Apr 2016 #15
Isn't it CRAZY how "fighting online smears" and "correcting the record" is viewed by Bernie fans as NurseJackie Apr 2016 #18
bunch of lies going on here too Sheepshank Apr 2016 #20
You know who else paid money to fight online smears? Putin. jillan Apr 2016 #21
If you have enthusiastic supporters you don't have to HIRE people to rebut things. basselope Apr 2016 #22
Life is SO UNFAIR to the obscenely wealthy power brokers of this world! Romulox Apr 2016 #23
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #25
When all else fails, cry Conspiracy Theory, Conspiracy Theory, oh the horrors. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #27
It's a (pretty damn good) living..? Fumesucker Apr 2016 #29
Fight online smears? AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #34
Failure to strictly coordinate and control the message is a limitation of unpaid supporters. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #35

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. I guess the first question would be why is there smearing i the first place?
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:42 PM
Apr 2016

Why if there are smears and we know there are smears is there a problem with anyone raising money to challenge the smears?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
16. The truth is always a defense against libel and slander.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:54 PM
Apr 2016

There may be exceptions to truthiness out in the vast wilderness of the Net during this campaign, of course. On all sides.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
19. Poisoning the well, salting the ground, playing the spoiler.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:59 PM
Apr 2016

"If I can't have it, NO ONE WILL HAVE IT!!!!"

It's childish, short sighted, and ineffective--but Trump thanks them, nonetheless.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
26. We are fighting to save our democracy from the Rich and Powerful that
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:13 PM
Apr 2016

have already turned our government into a plutocratic oligarchy.

We are fighting for saving the safety nets, jobs, homes, retirements, infrastructure, Social Security, Medicare, and decent health care.

The Rich and Powerful have been cutting these programs back for decades and some are just ok with that.

By the way, if you lose the General, it's on you. You can't crap on the Left and expect them to like it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. No, you're not.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

You're trying to play spoiler (your last paragraph, with its dire, ineffectual threat, makes that entirely clear).

You're angry that your candidate didn't bring it home. You want to "blame" someone.

This isn't about "the rich and powerful." It's about who gets the most votes.

The Democrats will decide who their standard bearer is--and it will happen very soon.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. No you are judging us as if we were you (projection). We won't work to spoil anything.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:18 PM
Apr 2016

You know you are backing a losing candidate and already looking for a scapegoat. We've told you all along that many republicons will vote for Sanders but will never, ever vote for Clinton. That has nothing to do with us "spoiling" anything. There are many many people on both sides that don't like your Establishment with it's corrupt culture and will support the anti-Establshment candidate, Trump or Sanders, you decide. But the hubris of the Clinton campaign thinking they can be rude and disparage the Left and then demand that we vote for your candidate.

I am angry, angry that Democrats can turn their backs on the 50 million Americans living in poverty and support the Rich Fat Cats.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. LOL. The one with the most votes is NOT your candidate.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

Next Tuesday, that will become even more evident than it already is.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. I wasn't talking about Brock, but you knew that.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:56 PM
Apr 2016

At the end of the day, this is all going to shake out with a nominee who will be the first woman nominated by a major party in the history of our nation.

It will bump along for a while longer, and I can wait. But the end result will be the same.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
6. I assume that Kathryne Anne Hamilton is on DU.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:44 PM
Apr 2016

Come out, come out and own it.

I have a couple of ideas who it might be.



Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
24. You have a point on the issues, there are realistic agenda and unrealistic agenda, don't hear much
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

On the issues lately. Hillary has been in Connecticut recently talking about gun violence.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
18. Isn't it CRAZY how "fighting online smears" and "correcting the record" is viewed by Bernie fans as
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 05:56 PM
Apr 2016

... "smearing Bernie" and "lying about Bernie"? Weird, huh?


 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
20. bunch of lies going on here too
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:06 PM
Apr 2016

I remember some back and forth just this morning trying to debunk the FACT that NY affidavit ballots were already a federal law and was not a construct of any law suit. The poster was trying to tell me the law suit filed on Primary election day in NY, was settle law and the receipt of the affidavit votes were proof...duh

Then we have the continued mis information about Super Delegates.

Lots of shit the Bernie Bros are tossing around as if it were fact. They swarm the social media and other sites with the idiocy, and non wonks don't know better and read it thinking it's fact. Why is everyone so worried that lies are being cleared up?

jillan

(39,451 posts)
21. You know who else paid money to fight online smears? Putin.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 06:06 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-trolls-the-u-s-internet-1433715770

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/03/news/russia-troll-factory-putin/

Congrats - you are in good company.


ON EDIT - Jurors I'm sure this will be alerted on but I really hope you don't vote to hide the truth. Putin did pay for online trolls. So did David Brock.

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lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
35. Failure to strictly coordinate and control the message is a limitation of unpaid supporters.
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

Message discipline among your "supporters": Team Clinton has it, because they're paying good money for it.

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