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J_J_

(1,213 posts)
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:39 PM Apr 2016

Investigative Journalism: Why Bernie may have actually won New York

from reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4g3x5h/investigative_journalism_why_bernie_may_have/



An election exit poll is a poll of voters taken immediately after they have exited the polling stations. Unlike an opinion poll, which asks for whom the voter plans to vote, or some similar formulation, an exit poll asks for whom the voter actually voted. Pollsters – usually private companies working for newspapers or broadcasters – conduct exit polls to gain an early indication as to how an election has turned out, as in many elections the actual result may take hours or even days to count. Exit polls have historically and throughout the world been used as a check against, and rough indicator of, the degree of election fraud.

After all votes are tabulated, exit polls are “adjusted” to match recorded results. According to NPR, for this election cycle, a firm called Edison Research conducts the polling used by major networks. Exit polling has not been conducted for every contest thus far. Here are the unadjusted exit polls against the final results (significant discrepancy | state flip; data source):

see chart:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4g3x5h/investigative_journalism_why_bernie_may_have/



Side note: although Edison Research did not conduct exit polling in Arizona, a local newspaper called the Daily Courier did – but only for Yavapai County. Official results have Clinton winning the county 52.9-44.7; however, the Courier’s exit polling had Sanders crushing her 62-37. Possible explanation: heavy early voting advantaged Clinton; nonetheless, Arizona was a quagmire.

Excluding Arizona (because only one county was polled), Sanders has suffered an average 6.92% deviation among all contests with exit polling. In particular, assuming that New York exit polling was conducted correctly, the statistical likelihood of a 12% deviation from exit polling is 1/126,000. Theoretically, the results would be equally likely to deviate in either direction; the probability that the 18 of the 19 exit polls above swung to Hillary’s advantage is 0.000038 (that is, fewer than four in one hundred thousand elections would roll this way due to chance).

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Investigative Journalism: Why Bernie may have actually won New York (Original Post) J_J_ Apr 2016 OP
Ok TMontoya Apr 2016 #1
They are almost as bad as those Gore supporters. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #6
Its OK if Hillary does it , Just like Bush bahrbearian Apr 2016 #8
There IS Election Fraud in This Primary PCPrincess Apr 2016 #32
Your accusations of criminal conduct are false and libelous The Second Stone Apr 2016 #35
Illinois is another state where the numbers looked funky. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #2
yep looks like illinois was stolen with the blackboxes used for early voting in chicago questionseverything Apr 2016 #11
K&R silvershadow Apr 2016 #3
shame it doesnt count MFM008 Apr 2016 #4
Bernie Sanders lost KingFlorez Apr 2016 #5
Lol... pacalo Apr 2016 #13
Oh, that's right, you all are still planning Sanders inauguration KingFlorez Apr 2016 #16
Okay grandpa. B Calm Apr 2016 #27
Chickens.Hatched nuff said MoonRiver Apr 2016 #18
I think those chicks are full grown now Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #21
The author's own data shows Bernie lost in the exit polling too Takket Apr 2016 #7
Proportional delegates, not winner take all. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #34
So one county in the boonies is extrapolated for the whole state MattP Apr 2016 #9
And to top it off because she lost one county she stole New York MattP Apr 2016 #10
"This is not a Sanders vs. Clinton issue. dooner Apr 2016 #12
Need independent organizations to cover every aspect of the vote - Lodestar Apr 2016 #14
Pretty Fucking Insane FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #15
Another exit poll tinfoil conspiracy? Tarc Apr 2016 #17
= GOP anti-science fundamentalists factfinder_77 Apr 2016 #19
Let me see if I have this straight... brooklynite Apr 2016 #20
:) Irony overload. Lucinda Apr 2016 #22
It's the bernsplain. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #29
Looks Like The 'Dems' Now Have Their Very Own Version: AzDar Apr 2016 #23
This is not "investigative journalism", it is Reddit. YouDig Apr 2016 #24
Wishful Thinking: Why Reddit wanted Bernie to have actually won New York FSogol Apr 2016 #30
Wow... SidDithers Apr 2016 #25
Sigh Dem2 Apr 2016 #26
Complete Bullshit.... Adrahil Apr 2016 #28
Reddit cannot be taken seriously nt TMontoya Apr 2016 #31
Lol right rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #33
This is why I'd come to fear that at least some establishment Dem. politicians must be complicit. snot Apr 2016 #36

PCPrincess

(68 posts)
32. There IS Election Fraud in This Primary
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:17 PM
Apr 2016

and Hillary's campaign is participating in it. I'm very certain that they over-played their hand this time and they will be found out. When that happens, I'm sure you won't mind if we remind all of you of your relentless rationalizations. Yep, there may even be a few, "I told you so(s)!"

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
2. Illinois is another state where the numbers looked funky.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:44 PM
Apr 2016

As a result they are being contested as well, too.


questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
11. yep looks like illinois was stolen with the blackboxes used for early voting in chicago
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

i am really proud of the illinois ballot integrity project

i have said for a while, hc's firewall is the electronic counting machines

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
4. shame it doesnt count
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

If you check HUFFPO you will see an article on the republican they say screwed up in NY. Had nothing to do with HRC if there were mistakes made.

Takket

(21,600 posts)
7. The author's own data shows Bernie lost in the exit polling too
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:54 PM
Apr 2016

so contending he won based on exit polling is just silly.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
34. Proportional delegates, not winner take all.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016

In 18 of 19 states, Sanders lost delegates in the 'official' count vs. the exit polls. Random error would mean a near 50/50 split between doing better or worse than exit polls. It can be claimed the exit polling methodology is faulty, but then there's Chicago with admitted vote tampering, and NYC with voter registration purges.

dooner

(1,217 posts)
12. "This is not a Sanders vs. Clinton issue.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

This is about the sanctity of our democracy."

This should be an important matter of concern to all voters.

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
14. Need independent organizations to cover every aspect of the vote -
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:19 PM
Apr 2016

to conduct exit polls, etc. -
redundancy will show deviations and discrepancies and help prevent fraud.
I think we all know just how far the status quo in capable of going to maintain
control and so work-arounds, documentation and redundancy are critical.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
15. Pretty Fucking Insane
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016
What we saw was not an audit. We are really concerned… There was a lot of hiding behavior on behalf of the Board of Elections employees to keep us from seeing the actual votes… What many of us saw was... that the auditors miss votes, correct their tallies, erase their tallies to fit the official results. There’s a lot of pressure that’s pushing them towards complying with the Board of Election’s results… In our packet, we have a bunch of affidavits. In one particularly egregious example… they had to erase 21 Bernie Sanders votes and add 49 Hillary Clinton votes to force the hand-count of the audit to the official results… We would like an independent audit.



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brooklynite

(94,660 posts)
20. Let me see if I have this straight...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

You can't trust polling done by "corporate media"

But you CAN trust exit polls done by the same corporate media.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
29. It's the bernsplain.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

Just like it's a GOP election board official who disenfranchised NY voters, and likely did more to disenfranchise Hillary supporters than bernie Supporters.. But they argue it as if it's a given that Hillary had something.. Or everything to do with it.

Just like they convienantly ignore that there's a difference between a superdelegate and a pledged delegate when it comes to the investigator. Of course, to be fair, it might be actual ignorance rather than deception.. After all we are talking about a group who apparently has a large number of supporters who don't know the first thing about how their own election rules works.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
28. Complete Bullshit....
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:58 PM
Apr 2016

If the situation were reversed we'd be hearing about "corporate pollsters" manufacturing exit poll results and how only the REAL votes count.

The more extreme Sandernistas have lost their fucking minds on this issues.

snot

(10,530 posts)
36. This is why I'd come to fear that at least some establishment Dem. politicians must be complicit.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:33 AM
Apr 2016

Significant exit poll discrepancies have been happening since at least 2000, nearly always in favor of the more conservative candidates; and I have yet to see an explanation that made any sense to me.

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