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Related: About this forumFrank Rich: Right will rage if Obama wins
SATURDAY, OCT 27, 2012 03:00 PM -0400
If Obama wins, Frank Rich says the GOP's fury will intensify, and the party will only get more extreme
BY DAVID DALEY
Ever since the days of Barry Goldwater, many liberals have assumed or naively hoped that each national defeat would teach Republicans that they had overreached, and pull them back from the extremes. Instead, the opposite has happened: The lesson of every loss, even the routs, has been we were not conservative enough.
The Goldwater smackdown in 1964 really did lay the groundwork for the Reagan revolution and the ensuing conservative era. But the loss to Barack Obama in 2008 and the toppling of establishment conservatives by tea party insurgents in 2010 has put the extremes in charge. Even someone as conservative and virulently opposed to the Obama agenda as Mitch McConnell has hired a tea party veteran and Rand Paul adviser to run his 2014 Senate re-election campaign.
So what happens if Obama beats Mitt Romney and the Republicans again, this time after the likes of McConnell made denying him a second term their main legislative mission over the last four years? The earnest-minded might hope that Republicans view Obamas re-election as a message to cooperate and a sign that their obstruction failed. The sober-minded might look at the number of ridiculous white men determined to make rape victims carry their attackers baby and a primary campaign filled with evolution opponents and assume common sense and basic decency, or at least post-Renaissance thinking, might return on social and cultural issues.
But Frank Rich says none of that will happen. The only lesson that will be learned, the New York magazine columnist says, is to head further right. And Rich argues thats because there simply arent any other voices left. The moderate Northeast wing of the party was purged long ago. The primary defeats of conservatives like Bob Bennett in Utah and Richard Lugar in Indiana taught establishment figures that any compromise has its costs. Even a moderate-conservative wing, Rich suggests, would have no leaders, let alone followers, in the national party.
more:
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/27/frank_rich_right_will_rage_if_obama_wins/
Lex
(34,108 posts)BraKez2
(279 posts)Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)They aren't going anywhere - see, 2010, this country inexplicably putting about 70 tea bag POS into the House and darn near getting the senate, too ...
They own the media, they control the national debate, and they peddle the two things that throughout history what people peddle up more than anything - fear and anger.
They WILL desperately scramble around for something to get traction on, and they media WILL dutifully follow them around fleshing it out until something bites, and they WILL take political advantage of it.
They are mean, they are tough, they are relentless.
They control most state governments, have controlled redistricting at the congressional and state level in almost all states, continue to game elections in regard to time and registrations ...
Lex
(34,108 posts)in just a few days.
Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)we know clowns like Akin and now possibly the dipstick from Indiana will pay because something ended up biting them in the arse.
But, we saw 70 or so Rs win in the House two years ago, and you will only see at best two or so handfuls of them be looking for a new job on November 7th.
One of the greatest tragedies of the post 9-11 terra, terra, terra BS the Rs used to control this country for four years was Max Cleeland getting bumped for the senate by that scumbag Saxby Chandliss.
Chandliss remains the senior senator from Georgia.
Look, I hate them as much as anyone else, but I have been around long enough now to know, they aren't going away.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)and, people here are just totally fine with it ...
sendero
(28,552 posts).... (percent of Hispanics voters, percent of younger voters, more) are aligned squarely against them. They are pulling out ALL THE STOPs in this election and if it doesn't work they are in trouble. Basically, they are in trouble no matter what. Because Hispanics are never going for them and fewer and fewer people are buying the "give everything to the rich and we all benefit" bullshit since it has now been decisively tried and found lacking.
Summary - things are not good for the right in the long term, period. If they lose this election it is even sooner.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Texas has already undergone the demographic shift you are hoping to kill the GOP. The result is that Texas is redder and more right-wing than ever.
NMDemDist2
(49,313 posts)while the population numbers have shifted, most of the shift in not yet voting age. here's an interesting post from DK
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/30/1114634/-Projecting-Texas-The-Coming-Democratic-Plurality
sendero
(28,552 posts)... I LIVE in TX, the shift to red here is a complex situation and it is MOSTLY A RURAL PHENOMENON THE BIG CITIES (where non whites live) are still solidly blue. And the state is trending BLUE as well.
I didn't make this up, google it.
The right is scared shitless because they know their game is growing stale. They will HAVE to do something to court Hispanics or they are toast, yet they know that when they do they will piss off their base. and they also know that their eleventh-hour conversion might not fool enough people.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)The article is entitled "Welcome to the most Republican place in America". Their game is growing stale? Really? They have a crooked, waffling idiot running for president who may win. Even far-right nut cases like Akin and Mourdoch are going to win. What's more, they still have complete control over the media and there is basically no discussion of really liberal legislation in the House, Senate, or WH. Confronting reality is your friend.
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Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)Demographics was my point back then, the same thing you noted ...
Then 10 happened.
There was NO reason, NONE for the Rs to get any level of power, and they had one of the biggest mid terms sweeps in our history.
For no reason other than them throwing one big national temper tantrum.
This trickledown crap is not new.
They have been repudiated on it before, and been able to repackage it and have our country lap it up.
They threw a never ending fit in the 90s with clinton, and even though he left the country in a darn good spot, people were so tired of it that they decided to pass over the more competent and decent man to hire some simple minded twit just to shut them up.
They aren't going away.
... 2010 happened for two very different reasons.
1) racism. there's no way to explain a lot of Obama's opposition (Hitler, socialist, Marxist, give me a break - they are just talking point excuses for racists that they heard on the ray-dio) other than just plain racism
2) uninspired base for Dems. folks here get their panties in a wad if you mention it, but Obama did not deliver to his base in his early years and they rewarded him by staying home.
It really is as simple as that in my opinion, a perfect storm of energized opposition with uninspired base. will kill your party every time.
I am talking about long term trends here, not any particular election and not just a decade.
Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)You can't deny the racial aspect that has been interlaced with the vitrol that has been spewed the last four years.
But, if that was such a driving factor, 2008 would not have happened in the first place - BO getting elected and other gains in the House/senate.
Obama flat out did A fricken lot given the absolute united opposition from the Rs, and his own party being divided between practical blue dogs and actual liberals/progressives. He got wall street reform, again, the first pushback against deregulation in decades, he got don't ask don't tell repealed, the mathew sheppart hate crimes bill, Lilly ledbetter ...
The Ds get actual HCR, the first in four decades, and get all put out because it is not a single payer system. That isn't Obama's fault, christ, it took a fricken procedural process in the senate to get it passed by one vote.
But, going by what you posted, the Ds react to not getting even more progressive legislation passed by ...
Letting the freaks make massive gains in the House and Senate that ensure that NOTHING will get done for the next 2 years, and giving power to the Rs in the House for the next four years, at least ...
This is my point - the right is more focused and plays the long game.
The Ds are not nearly as focused.
Again, we both know the demographic issues, but you underestimate the right's ability to adapt and work the margins to win elections.
These are the same morons who half a century ago won elections over fluoride being in water.
There WILL be some bizarre event like 9-11, some scandal they beat to death like Clinton and Monica, that they WILL use to maintain a VERY big hold on our government.
Midwestern Democrat
(806 posts)5 to 10 House seats this year - after a 60+ seat gain the previous cycle, that would be a stunningly great result for even a great congress - for the worst congress conceivable it's mind blowing. Now, if they're sane, the Senate GOP should really have a conversation about how the party primary voters have basically self-destructed in two straight election cycles, but the House GOP is going to be justifiably emboldened by this election.
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)they are not the tea party and sent a message to the TP via letting Akin sink. The Establishment wants to make money, not get caught up in a crusade. With an Obama win there WILL be a major effort on the part of the establishment to lurch to the center. The question is how or if they will be able to pull it off.
The GOP went all in to win this election. Now that they are losing they know the writing is on the wall. 2016 will be Bush/Rubio, and that means running to the center, you can bet on that.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Two men from the same state? I don't think so.
SteveG
(3,109 posts)nt
The Constitution does not forbid a President and Vice President from being from the same state-though it is true that it has never happened.
Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)we have seen the party veer more and more toward codifying the extreme right.
End of the day, they are scared of losing their jobs more than anything, and the lesson the establishment has been taught is if you dare to break ranks they will primary you with some fire breathing tea bag lunatic and in a Primary, whoever is furthest to the right is going to win 90 percent of the time now.
Guys like Bob Bennett two years ago and Dick Lugar this year who were ROCK republican's for their whole career, so much as does not spit on the president, they will get put out in a primary.
Their primary this year was an absolute freak show, they had no control over it all. They wanted mittens, but 90 percent of the establishment Rs like Scarborough never came out to endorse him because their knew it would hurt them with the base. They just took down each challenger as they rose up.
AM radio will drive the narrative it has driven for three decades now - BAH, we didn't run a TRUE conservative. We need a TRUE tax raising, amnesty giving, cutting and running for terrorists conservative like Ronald Reagen!
The 10s of millions of people who lap up their BS will nod in agreement, and the establishment will give lip service to it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I would add to their characteristics: They are HIGHLY INTELLIGENT and LEARNED in their issues, something liberal culture has a difficult time conceding.
To the history (provided in the OP) they have generally followed a consistent history since the Goldwater days of building their movement to permanent power, i.e. this is not a cyclical phenomenon, but a consistent, steady and rather linear track of development.
To us in the Democratic Party/progressive/liberal side of things, there has been a general collapse of ideological -- even philosophical underpinnings -- of party structure. Hence, it is no surprise that few folks can put a finger on what Democrats believe in, other than what the GOP says Dems stand for (if you don't define yourself, someone else will). The Democratic Party since the late George McGovern has steadily worked to distance itself from, if not exclude, ideologies and beliefs which would smack of ANYTHING that is left of center, preferring to create a pastiche of interest groups which can be "relied" upon to vote in the lesser of evils. This, of course, gave way to the expression "professional leftist," which says it all. The Democrats have conceded the successful mastery of language the GOP Far Right has exercised .
Any party structure cannot base itself on some sort of passive-aggressiveness writ large. Even a smaller, fully-realized party like the GOP WILL dominate and build permanent institutions (something they have been doing for years) to assure their future dominance.
The GOP's implaccable resistance to ANYTHING proposed by the "enemy" WILL continue, even if Obama wins; even if both houses of Congress are "held" by Democrats.
Note: Please watch PBS' recent documentary on how the Far Right has mastered the "climate change" debate: They clean out their own heretical conservatives, then they go after the easily-bullied "liberal-socialists." The strategy is complex and completely effective. And will be repeated.
The corporate state does not loom. We are in it.
I would take your point and add to my notes - beyond the right being organized and driven, the left is completely unorganized.
It takes a Clintonesque or Obama like personality to rally people up.
But, while the right manages to cull itself around a really well defined and simple set of "principles" the left has no rallying points to work from.
You obviously will get this, but note to anyone who might miss the point - they absolutely are ALL OVER the place with where they stand on most issues, but they have a generic set of talking points that are maleable to be able to do this.
Mz Pip
(27,452 posts)Like Breitbart who is now Deadbart.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)they will move more to the right in 2016. Maybe they will bring Ryan or Sanitarium(crazy Ricky).
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)And lose all the moderates and independents along the way. Good. Let them paint themselves into a toxic corner all their own.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)over the cliff.
DFW
(54,432 posts)It has happened before.
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,183 posts)It will be glorious.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)like lemmings and take one giant leap for mankind.
Obamamama44
(98 posts)We are having a rally here in MI on the 29th that Michelle Malkin is doing to defeat Obama...the commercial claims this race up here in a dead heat. These people's heads are gonna explode when Obama wins...I don't think he'll win by as much, but he will win..I believe Nate...te media just does such a disservice to people...
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)I think Obama will get more votes in MI this time around.
Julie
GallopingGhost
(2,404 posts)will return to a more moderate stance on the issues is gone.
The uber-extreme, big money voices have completely taken over the party.
dennis4868
(9,774 posts)They will start impeachment hearings by the spring time.
Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)I seriously am surprised the House controlled itself this long ...
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)That will only further marginalize them. The longer it takes them to figure out they aren't a majority, the better.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)What we need to never forget is that they USE their rage against us and used it to thwart our President from fully implementing his agenda starting in 2009. They met behind closed doors and made a plan that WORKED. Yes, he accomplished more than he has been given credit for, but imagine where we would be in this country if he had had even a little bit of co-operation from the Republicans instead of obstruction.
And look at the rise of the Tea Party and their infiltration into Congress. These people are determined to have their way and they have blood in their eye. Is anyone so naive to think that a defeat at the polls on Nov. 6th is going to deter them or in any way diminish their determination to take President Obama down? Nothing would make them happier than to Impeach him and send him away in defeat. They are going to continue to try to embarrass and humiliate him. Notice the increase in outright racist rhetoric....just in the past few days. That is not an accident. It was by design.
They are emboldened and will keep it up....even if Obama wins.
All of us who support President Obama need to redouble our efforts to expose and oust these obstructionists. But the notion that they will going away on their own is foolish and naive. It is not going to happen. We have to WORK to make them a footnote in history.
Cha
(297,503 posts)GETTINGTIRED
(330 posts)They lose this election they can rage their asses on out the door...demographics are changing...this is their last stand for all this extreme bull...I hope they lose, it will speak volumes to dismiss the notion we are divided, we are standing strong together we have strength in numbers......I personally have never felt a greater connection with my fellow voters....lets do this...
reflection
(6,286 posts)Whether or not they rage, they can no more rage against the reality of the math hurdle they face than a terminal cancer victim can rage against their disease and survive. The Republican party is diseased, and only by defeating the cancer of the tea party which resides in them can they recover.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)How long d'ya think before demographics changes who gets elected to safe Republican seats in vast swathes of the south and west, and in rural parts of the rest of the nation? We need to wait for Latinos to be a majority group in western NE or Central PA? There are more than enough districts gerrymandered to be safe for Reps that will keep them a threat for centuries of demographic changes. Statewide the huge minority population in MS shows fuck all sign of giving us Dem Senators from there any time soon. Remember too that state houses draw districts mostly. How much is the minority population of TX - concentrated as it is in a minority of state seat districts, helping to change the gerrymandering of US house seats there? Not at all - because it cannot.
Surely demographics will help us - when the white stranglehold in enough state districts is broken to change the way elections are run; when minority vote percentages exceed white turnout; when rural districts aren't lily-white; when minority wealth and connections can compete with white money. Best guess? 24th Century. Any hope of it turning the tide now or soon, except in meaningless nationwide polls (the same polls most of DU gleefully and rightly dismisses as being irrelevant to elections)? Zero.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)It's what they do, it has become their identity. Pathetic.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)Laf.La.Dem.
(2,944 posts)"I want my Country back"!!
Mr.Bill
(24,312 posts)I always reply "If you have proof of voter fraud, please notify the proper authorities immediately. If not, feel free to keep posting about it on the internet."
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)The Turtle will not have the one term initiative and will need something else to rally the idiots.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)zbdent
(35,392 posts)the U.S. had the Supreme Court allowed the vote counting in Florida to continue to its inevitable conclusion.
Insert reference to "civil war, bin Laden" I've often stated ...
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)In Order of importance
1. Katherine Harris voter purge
2. Florida State Legislature Voting to give electors to Bush
3. Scotus ruling
Even without the Scotus ruling, if the recount showed that Gore won, as I think both of us think likely, the fact that the legislature voted for the Bush electors means that two slates of electors would have shown up to vote for Florida's electoral votes. The conundrum this would have caused would have thrown the election into the House of Representatives, which as of that January, had state caucuses that favored the Republicans, i.e. a Bush victory.
What the Republican dominated Florida state legislature did has not received the scrutiny and scorn that it deserves and it underscores how important it is for Democrats to vigorously contest each and every state legislative race.
JSK
(1,123 posts)Won't that be fun.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)so there is no point in worrying about them getting worse. You can't get any worse than ZERO COOPERATION, and that's exactly what we have seen the past 2 years.
The real problem is that now, as the race is slipping away from Romney, Rove and company are pushing a narrative that this is a really, really close election when it isn't. That is not so much to get more votes. The main purposes are:
1) to justify thuggery that they will pull if they are close enough on election night to turn this into a recount circus; and
2) if that fails, to leave themselves in a position of claiming Obama stole the election and therefore is not a legitimate President.
Most of the GOP extremism is from two factors: racism and Christian fundamentalism (which are often synonymous). But the nation's demographics are moving away from that. Old white men are smaller numbers all the time. So if the GOP wants to get more extreme, that means each election will be harder for them to win.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)But remember all they need is a majority. So it really depends on how many seats they lose. We need to pick up about 25 seats to take the majority back. If we don't, I would almost bet on them pulling this. Remember we are talking about slime-balls after all.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)The price was that Clinton is very popular now because the American people thought the Republicans and Kenneth Starr were fundamentally unfair. That didn't just help Clinton for the rest of his term. It means that Clinton is still a powerful force even 12 years after leaving office. Indeed, it could be argued without Bill's support, Obama would not be in a position to win this election, so I don't think it is a stretch to say that the GOP recklessness impeaching Clinton is still hurting them badly.
The GOP is a lot more radical today, but they will have a very narrow majority in the House. I don't believe they could muster the votes to impeach Obama unless there was a really strong case to be made. And there is NOT case for impeachment at this point.
I hope they do that. It would be very much in the interests of Democrats heading for the 2014 mid-terms.
AlinPA
(15,071 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)A Gallup poll showed in the 2 years from 2009 - 2011, those respondents who were Democratic or Democratic-leaning increased their gun-ownership significantly.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Rich white people riot in streets?
Donald Trump pickets Donald Trump?
HOW can these people GET any crazier.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)the Party itself is nearly dead, filled with ignorant racists, billionaires who don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves, and religiously twisted and gullible people. The GOP is dying... and they know it. But with control of the media, the Supreme Court travesty, and the money, they will keep it angrier and angrier. The GOP machine is not going to give up on their piece of the pie. They're going to get angrier and nastier because they simply MUST be in power to start wars, send jobs to china, and get richer.
But if the voters in the Red States took a good long look at the state of their State, they'd see that the republican way does NOT work. It never fucking works, except to enrich a handful of people. The stock market falls, the housing market falls, jobs are sent overseas, poverty rises, people lose hope. BUT when you own the media, you can manipulate the ignorant voters who think that somehow.. it's the Democrats fault that this has happened. Where were these folks when Bush destroyed the economy? The republicans fight school funding because they need stupid voters in order to get richer.
Rush limbaush doesn't give a shit about Jesus, nor does Cheney, or Coulter, or Romney. They care about money, and they will manufacture the rage once again. They have to, because they simply can't get more money and power without it.
mzmolly
(51,003 posts)They've been raging.
Alekei_Firebird
(320 posts)I laugh in their faces.
ncav53
(168 posts)mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)Students at Liberty U and Bob Jones will boycott classes. Oh the humanity!
flamingdem
(39,316 posts)at least subconsciously
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)and tell me how they're doomed. Akin and Mourdock may well be Senators in a few months. They're not going anywhere until we put them down.
flamingdem
(39,316 posts)veternarian speak? Anyway I think it will be a landslide and Akin and Mourdock will lose, at least this week I'm an optimist!
melody
(12,365 posts)The old guys don't have the stomach or physique to "rage" anywhere and at anyone.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I think most of the GOP will get the message like a 2x4 across the forehead that America is not buying what they are selling.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Grammy23
(5,810 posts)Ask me if I will cry one tear for him? He has done quite enough to destroy business in this country and to disenfranchise American voters in his thirst to get to the White House. He and Ryan can take turns using their crying towel on election night.
This next week and few days is going to be hard. Mitt is going to double down on his lies and half truths. He is losing and he knows it but thinks he can will it to be in his favor. He isn't used to being confronted or challenged. This is going to be very difficult for him to stomach, but..... We just need to hunker down and know that victory for our side is coming....no matter how much he screams and stomps his feet! Grind away, Mitt. You got the money for some new choppers. And you're gonna need 'em.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)creon
(1,183 posts)GOP tax policies, foreign policies, social policies are not going to work.
And, when the the consequences of those failed policies are here people will have to live with the life that they said they wanted to have.
I do not know how they will react to the consequences; but, they will have only themselves to blame.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...it's just their nature.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)That's precisely where the GOP is headed which will mean a Democratic Party schism about 25 years after because all politics will be contained within the Democratic Party and it will be a single party system for those 25 years.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Wake the fuck up
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 27, 2012, 11:39 PM - Edit history (1)
But he seems to have a pretty accurate take on this GOP.
Sucks for America :/
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Do they not have the courage of their convictions? Will they not stand up for what they believe in the face of the rabid right wing? If they won't, who needs them? If they won't stand up for rational thought and true mainstream American values, then we're on our own so,
GO AHEAD WINGNUTS BRING IT ON!
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)They seem to be too scared to shake things up. Maybe a few will pipe up when Romney loses...
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Also they would love use we on the left considers moral against us. Consider they will use any and all things that they can find and figure out and that is what we are up against. Time, money and any amount of patience does not matter, they will keep coming. The only way to win against them is to outflank them and out-think them. Wonder all you want but just remember they mostly only use emotion to suck you into their way of thinking, kind of like a cheap parlor trick.
Frankly i could give a flying F what they think or feel after watching it all these years. If it's got an 'r' in front of it than you can bet there is something wrong with it just like you would put money in the bank. It feels liberating and cheap to be partisan to such lengths but that is what is on the table and those are the only rules being played. The angrier they get, the more they will want it and the worse they will get, bank on that too
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)not really joking, either.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)quaker bill
(8,224 posts)Since they believe "a true conservative" will win the election, any loser will be "no true conservative". So they will go out to find a more "true conservative", and when that "more true conservative" loses he/she will become "no true conservative".....
I agree with Rich that the right will rage on when Obama wins. The only real answer will be to keep winning, and as possible keep winning bigger. Real rage has a limited lifespan, it simply takes too much emotional energy to sustain for most people. There will be a crazy angry rightwing 100 years from now, just as there is still a KKK. However, over time it gets smaller. Rage is simply ineffective politically over the long haul. It can win a race or two here or there, but it cannot sustain power. Rage without power to effect change is particularly wearying. Some will stay attached, but most will tire of it and leave. In short, put a bunch of angry people in a room and try to get anything done, the meetings quickly turn into a ugly purity contest. People will tolerate an ocasional ugly meeting, but not a long series of them. Sooner or later a faction wins and takes power, and the rest leave.
The T-party came apart here due to internal fighting, there is a shell left, but the energy is gone and attendance minimal. Plenty still like the ideas, but hate the organization. This is where rage as a political force takes you.
The model works just as well on the left, as a part of the peace and environmental movements, I have seen it play there. As anger grows, the truly faithful end up preaching to an ever shrinking choir.
smorkingapple
(827 posts)He'll throw the moderate mask on again and they'll all fall in line once again.
They have no principles, they want power.
imgbitepolitic
(179 posts)for the long fght.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)Palin, Cain, Romney...
I can't imagine what they're thinking,
there's only a few candidates who would qualify
David Duke,
Lyndon LaRouche,
even the White Power guys have been dying off lately
ashtonelijah
(340 posts)I guarantee you, these people will be absolutely unhinged when Obama wins. I've been reading RightNation, FreeRepublic, and just listening to general conservative talk here in Mississippi, and these people are deluding themselves. They are not even entertaining the thought that Romney could lose and every poll that shows Obama winning and every electoral model with him winning is a conspiracy, is lying, is biased, etc. And they are all buying into this. They truly, truly, truly believe Romney wins. They don't think there is any possible way America would re-elect this black socialist Kenyan Muslim.
And when we do re-elect him, they are going to flip the hell out. They are going to be shocked. They are going to scream that the election was stolen and they are really going to believe it. Because in their minds there is absolutely no way that enough white people would vote for this Kenyan Muslim again. They can't believe that there are white guys like me (In Mississippi!) who would vote for Obama. They really, really, really don't think they're going to lose.
And I'm scared to see the reaction, as joyful as I will be to see Obama re-elected.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)There's a number of people who are equally convinced that Obama can't lose,
and if he does, it's a vote-rigged conspiracy in Ohio.
Positive-thinking is not a substitute for thinking,
and hope is not a strategy.
Phx_Dem
(11,198 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)They won't die, because we haven't come up with a way to shoot them in the head. They will keep coming back until we do.
ellie
(6,929 posts)and then they can fuck off.