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Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:40 PM Apr 2016

There Is a Moderate Republican in This Race, But She’s Running as a Democrat

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/there-is-a-moderate-republican-in-this-race_b_9704194.html



Who is the real Democrat -- Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton? Why are fringe candidates getting all of the attention this year? Who are the moderates? These questions can all be answered by understanding something that has been unfolding for 40 years.

Historical perspective on Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton

Who is the real Democrat — Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton? Why are fringe candidates getting all of the attention this year? Who are the moderates?

These questions can all be answered by understanding something that has been unfolding for 40 years: The center of American politics has shifted steadily to the right. Today, neither party is even remotely similar to what it was when Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton, for example, first entered politics.

In the late 1970s, as large corporations turned into transnational giants, they pumped huge amounts of cash into the political system. This largesse lured, first, the Republican Party, in the 80s, followed by the Democratic Party in the ‘90s, and precipitated a rightward political shift as both parties rewrote their policies to compete for the same corporate contributions.
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There Is a Moderate Republican in This Race, But She’s Running as a Democrat (Original Post) Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 OP
I will ask what I always ask when crap like this gets posted dsc Apr 2016 #1
Right back at you...name when she took in those positions...so first she was against and when it did insta8er Apr 2016 #5
she has been pro choice her entire political career dsc Apr 2016 #6
Clearly you believe in elfs as well...try this www.google.com you can even get videos of her speakin insta8er Apr 2016 #8
She sure did a good job defending the rapist of a 12 year old girl Baobab Apr 2016 #37
You see that is what she is talking about, 1 set of rules for the Clinton's and others for the rest insta8er Apr 2016 #40
they would have Baobab Apr 2016 #51
Here is a video..13 minutes in her own words..so no quotes, she is on video saying her position insta8er Apr 2016 #9
I have watched the video dsc Apr 2016 #11
I am sorry, but if you want to be about semantics then please go waste someone else insta8er Apr 2016 #13
it isn't semantics dsc Apr 2016 #16
I am happy to inform you that those items you named are indeed not on the list of GOP insta8er Apr 2016 #22
I don't consider my rights little things dsc Apr 2016 #23
Didn't I tell you to go and waste other peoples time? you have shown you do not care about your insta8er Apr 2016 #27
They parse everything to death. In the end, it is bubble-talk. snowy owl Apr 2016 #31
Exactly..MSM informed...and not much else. Almost like Faux News audience. insta8er Apr 2016 #35
Yes, she is a moderate Republican alan2102 Apr 2016 #57
then name one dsc Apr 2016 #63
Damn, I love the new spin -- TM99 Apr 2016 #29
yes she was dsc Apr 2016 #32
Keep spinning. TM99 Apr 2016 #42
We once had Republicans like that, Hillary Clinton however changes back and forth on those issues Dragonfli Apr 2016 #10
she hasn't switched on abortion dsc Apr 2016 #12
That is the newest development, brush up, she believes "some compromises" are possible. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #14
actually that is what Roe v Wade says dsc Apr 2016 #17
Like I said, keep up, I'm not here to do it for you. /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #21
Agree.She's living in the seventies. Name anything new...tpp, fracking, healthcare, education,milita snowy owl Apr 2016 #38
Same old smear. Hillary was one of the most Liberal Senators in Congress redstateblues Apr 2016 #43
Honestly, I am not that sure those things mean much to her Marrah_G Apr 2016 #58
Good Read noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #2
There are a lot of Republicans in this place ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #3
I know! Does it ever get tiring to keep up the pretense? /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #15
Dunno. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #53
Republicans posing as Democrats on DU ?! John Poet Apr 2016 #61
So all HRC supporters are Republicans? n/t NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #62
Pretty much, but most of them don't seem to know it. John Poet Apr 2016 #64
What do you consider Biden, Harkin, Hagan, McCaskill, Shaheen LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #4
Given our current Congress, that's a good thing? Bernie leads the pack! Lovin' it! snowy owl Apr 2016 #41
Blah blah blah posted for 1000000000000th time Dem2 Apr 2016 #7
DUP is very much like a mixed aisle forum now. Conservative constantly post old beat down shit uponit7771 Apr 2016 #28
They think if you repeat a lie enough it becomes true redstateblues Apr 2016 #44
There is a socialist running as a Democrat last time I looked... beachbum bob Apr 2016 #18
Do you have a problem with Democratic Sociallism or are you just "Red Baiting" awake Apr 2016 #25
I do now, Mr. "We'll see" when it comes to supporting down ballot dems is full of shit... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #30
Berrine has supported many down ballot Dems over the years awake Apr 2016 #39
Bernie only added "democratic" when he started running for Presinent redstateblues Apr 2016 #45
Hung up on labelsl, aren't ya? Poor guy. You know, labels sometimes con you . . . snowy owl Apr 2016 #48
ZOMG! SOCIALIST!!1! Hydra Apr 2016 #59
Nothing positive to say about Bernie? cwydro Apr 2016 #19
As an HRC supporter I think Bernie has done well coming from nowhere redstateblues Apr 2016 #47
Well, that will be up to people like you who vote. We make our own choices. snowy owl Apr 2016 #49
This I completely agree with! cwydro Apr 2016 #52
The corporate take over of this party is almost compleat awake Apr 2016 #20
That's what unnerves me. Our future is bleak. Young people have little to look forward to under HRC. snowy owl Apr 2016 #50
Anyone who waits around for a politician to make their life successful redstateblues Apr 2016 #56
I recommend spell check next time you feel it necessary to attack the Democratic frontrunner. cwydro Apr 2016 #54
#SandersSoSanctified ... sigh uponit7771 Apr 2016 #24
And she's winning. Hoyt Apr 2016 #26
Yup. nt OhZone Apr 2016 #34
Correction - The only Democrat Running. nt OhZone Apr 2016 #33
A critically damaged one at that. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #36
Who voted the same as your guy 97% of the time. So what's that make him? Persondem Apr 2016 #46
There Is a "democratic" Socialist in This Race, But He’s Running as a Democrat Beacool Apr 2016 #55
This is where I have a problem, Go Vols Apr 2016 #60

dsc

(52,164 posts)
1. I will ask what I always ask when crap like this gets posted
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

Name the federally elected Republican (US House or US Senate) that believes in all of the following, pro choice, pro LGBT rights, increasing and indexing the minimum wage, pro citizenship for people who came here without papers, debt free college, increasing the EOC, increasing taxes on the wealthy. I eagerly await your reply. BTW to me the word moderate as opposed to liberal would mean that there should be dozens in the House and at least a couple in the Senate but I will take one.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
5. Right back at you...name when she took in those positions...so first she was against and when it did
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:04 PM
Apr 2016

become politically expedient to reverse her views? Don't let me do your dirty work for you. You know that she has flipped positions on these exact same issues because it was more in line with the democratic party.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
6. she has been pro choice her entire political career
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:07 PM
Apr 2016

she has been in favor of increasing taxes on the rich and the minimum wage her entire political career. She was in favor of LGBT rights short of marriage her entire political career. So I ask once again, name one, just one single solitary GOP person in the US House or US Senate who holds just those positions. One, that is all I ask.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
8. Clearly you believe in elfs as well...try this www.google.com you can even get videos of her speakin
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:09 PM
Apr 2016

g out against some of those same issues you brought up. But hey, why would you want to ruin your fairytale by something as inconvenient as the TRUTH?

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
40. You see that is what she is talking about, 1 set of rules for the Clinton's and others for the rest
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016

If something like this was known about Bernie, they would have crucified him.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
9. Here is a video..13 minutes in her own words..so no quotes, she is on video saying her position
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:10 PM
Apr 2016

dsc

(52,164 posts)
11. I have watched the video
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:16 PM
Apr 2016

and yet again, I ask where does it say ever that she wasn't pro choice, where does it ever say she wasn't in favor of raising the minimum wage, and where does it ever say she opposed anything other than marriage for LGBT. Now once again, I ask for the name of one, just one, elected federal GOP member who believes those things. I am waiting. And yes, I will ask this every single solitary time people such as you tell us the blatant lie that she is a moderate Republican.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
13. I am sorry, but if you want to be about semantics then please go waste someone else
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:19 PM
Apr 2016

his time. Clearly you can hear Anderson Cooper summarizing her position against and then for. How difficult is that? but hey keep living in your bubble and comfort zone...it seems to be working for you.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
16. it isn't semantics
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:23 PM
Apr 2016

I will ask one more time, name one of the over 300 GOP members of the House and Senate that believe those things. One, I am asking for one, less than .3 percent of them. One single, solitary member of the House or Senate that is GOP and believes those things. You are the one who said she is a Republican.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
22. I am happy to inform you that those items you named are indeed not on the list of GOP
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:28 PM
Apr 2016

but the rest...Endless wars, keeping harsh sentences, keeping the pharmaceutical companies in charge. etc. But you know that you want to win on little things so you can call yourself the winner in this debate, knowing full well that she has a lot in common with the GOP agenda...maybe not just those things. So YEAHHHHHH YOU ARE A WINNER>..yet you lose....So now go and start wasting other peoples time..I am done with you.....shhhuuuush

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
27. Didn't I tell you to go and waste other peoples time? you have shown you do not care about your
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:31 PM
Apr 2016

or other peoples rights by supporting someone with a morally corrupt background. Evidence is out there...just open your eyes...now go and pester someone else..shuuuushhh..

 

alan2102

(75 posts)
57. Yes, she is a moderate Republican
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:12 PM
Apr 2016

Moderate, or center-right. Her Republican compadres are mostly openly Nazi. Her fascism is kinder, gentler.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
63. then name one
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:28 AM
Apr 2016

just one single solitary elected federal Republican who holds her views. There are over 300 of them so I am asking for 0.3% of them.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
32. yes she was
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:36 PM
Apr 2016

I know you think marriage is the one and only right LGBT people didn't have in the 1990's and 2000's but believe it or not, it isn't. I can still be fired tomorrow for being gay in my very own state, something she has been in favor of changing since the 1990's at least. I could have been arrested for sodomy in my very own state until 2003, something she was opposed to since at least the 1980's. I was banned from adopting children in many states until the 2000's and still was until literally just a few weeks ago in one state (I can't recall which one but I think Alabama). She favored adoption by gays since at least the 1990's. Again, marriage isn't the be all end all of gay rights

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
42. Keep spinning.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:44 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton was never a friend to the LGBT community. By supporting and pushing DOMA & DADT, she insured that all of the other rights would never be discussed. She pandered to the religious right on the topic, and you expect us to believe she was for other things?

Jesus, this is the Third Way. Speaking out of both sides of their mouths while actually accomplishing nothing. She did not advance LGBT rights in this country. She was a follower and not a leader.

I get you support her. I get you have to rationalize that support.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
10. We once had Republicans like that, Hillary Clinton however changes back and forth on those issues
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:11 PM
Apr 2016

Usually in favor against such things, when her personal fortune requires it.

She sure does know how to mimic whichever side of the coin is needed to be the most likable and agreeable to the group she speaks to at any given time, a great liar! A trait that makes her good at three card monte, and grifting in general, but shows a lack of any true character.

I guess becoming a multimillionaire by using her skills is something a certain type would admire, but to others, it shows only that she is adept at pandering as advised and focus groups approve when required.

New Democrats, in the politics of the United States, are an ideologically centrist faction within the Democratic Party that emerged after the victory of Republican George H. W. Bush in the 1988 presidential election. They are identified with centrist social/cultural/pluralist positions and neoliberal fiscal values. They are represented by organizations such as the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), the New Democrat Network, and the Senate and House New Democrat Coalitions

After the landslide electoral losses to Ronald Reagan in the 1980s, a group of prominent Democrats began to believe their party was in need of a radical shift in economic policy and ideas of governance. The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) was founded in 1985 by Al From and a group of like-minded politicians and strategists. They advocated a political "Third Way" as a method to achieve the electoral successes of Reaganism by adopting similar economic policies (Reagan Democrats and Moderate Republicans would provide burgeoning new constituencies after adding these new economic policies and politicians to our tent they contended) While hoping to retain, woman, minorities and other social issues allies with long ties to the party. Such would be their new Democratic coalition forged between fiscal right and social left under the "New" Democratic banner.


She is by this definition (one she has embraced save for pandering and lying during elections for as long as she has been in politics.) A moderate Republican.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
12. she hasn't switched on abortion
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:18 PM
Apr 2016

she didn't switch on increasing taxes on the rich, and she didn't switch on rights other than marriage for LGBT. We used to have openly racist Dems too. So again, I ask name one elected GOP member now who believes in the above. Go ahead I am waiting.

dsc

(52,164 posts)
17. actually that is what Roe v Wade says
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:25 PM
Apr 2016

if you don't know that, then you might, just might, want to actually know what you are talking about before you post. The last trimester, which is what she was talking about, the state has the right to regulate abortion as long as there is a health exception. That has been the law since 1973 or over 40 years.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
38. Agree.She's living in the seventies. Name anything new...tpp, fracking, healthcare, education,milita
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016

She's a cold warrior. She loves international over domestic issues. Well, domestic issues are priority. Yes, she has more delegates. But nationally he's catching up or caught up to her. People heard the message they prefer someone who pays attention to domestic issues. But we made end up with a leader stuck in the seventies who think the way to success is taking corporate money and allowing them to be come global magnates.

Thank you very much DSC One day you too or your children may be working for six pence paid by a global corporatist. Who's going to stop them then?

You people lack vision. . . Bernie sees it.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
43. Same old smear. Hillary was one of the most Liberal Senators in Congress
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:44 PM
Apr 2016

This "she's a republican" is repeated so often by uninformed Sanders supporters that they think it's true

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
58. Honestly, I am not that sure those things mean much to her
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:14 PM
Apr 2016

I think she would negotiate them away for the benefit of her own family and friends. I don't trust her anymore. At all.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
2. Good Read
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

Thanks for posting. As a 1970s Democrat I've witnessed the rightward lurch of my Party. It's been strange watching Hillary supporters claiming Bernie isn't a Dem. when he more closely matches the historical positions of our Party than Sec. Clinton. Some of the Hillary supporters think we are joking about his but we aren't. It's true.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
61. Republicans posing as Democrats on DU ?!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:04 PM
Apr 2016

You must mean all those people supporting Hillary Clinton.

They're supporting a Republican, so they must BE Republicans.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
64. Pretty much, but most of them don't seem to know it.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:27 PM
Apr 2016

However, it does seem that RONALD REAGAN's foreign policy is just A-OK with them.


"You are what you vote for"



LiberalFighter

(50,980 posts)
4. What do you consider Biden, Harkin, Hagan, McCaskill, Shaheen
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:02 PM
Apr 2016

to name a few?

Compared to the rest of Democrats in the Senate, Hillary is in the middle of the pack.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/hillary_clinton/300022

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
28. DUP is very much like a mixed aisle forum now. Conservative constantly post old beat down shit
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:32 PM
Apr 2016

... on mixed aisle forums that's been debunked by link and quote millions of times as if they're going to catch someone sleeping.

I'd be glad when the primaries are over

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
30. I do now, Mr. "We'll see" when it comes to supporting down ballot dems is full of shit...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:32 PM
Apr 2016

.. so I don't know if I would consider another dem socialist for prez again

awake

(3,226 posts)
39. Berrine has supported many down ballot Dems over the years
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016

It is just that he is not about to fund raise for the DNC who is funneling money raise in the name of the party into the campaign of his opponent Hillary Clinton. Bernie is not stupid he know full well how corrupt the DNC has become.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
45. Bernie only added "democratic" when he started running for Presinent
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:47 PM
Apr 2016

There are many examples of Bernie calling himself a Socialist

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
48. Hung up on labelsl, aren't ya? Poor guy. You know, labels sometimes con you . . .
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:53 PM
Apr 2016

For instance, the party has moved more right than during the Eisenhower admin in the fifties. Did you know that?

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
59. ZOMG! SOCIALIST!!1!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

What ever will we do?!

McCarthy called from his grave- he wants his royalties forwarded to him every quarter.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
47. As an HRC supporter I think Bernie has done well coming from nowhere
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

Hopefully he will use his popularity to get Dems elected in the mid terms

awake

(3,226 posts)
20. The corporate take over of this party is almost compleat
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:27 PM
Apr 2016

With the Tea party and Trump destroying the Republican Party multinational corporations have quietly been staging a take over of the party of FDR and turned it into the party of,for & by the 1%

Bernie is one of the few non-millionaires in the Senate most have sold their soul even Houard Dean has become a lobiest for the large Drug industry.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
50. That's what unnerves me. Our future is bleak. Young people have little to look forward to under HRC.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:55 PM
Apr 2016
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
54. I recommend spell check next time you feel it necessary to attack the Democratic frontrunner.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:02 PM
Apr 2016

Otherwise, it just looks, well, just not so fully thought out, ya know? Grammar, commas, capitalization, spelling...all those little things help you make your point.

Just sayin'.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
46. Who voted the same as your guy 97% of the time. So what's that make him?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:48 PM
Apr 2016

Such a tired old line.

Google her voting record
Google her organizational ratings.
Google her position on political spectrum graphs.

I've posted such things dozens of times.

But when the Truth doesn't matter ...

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
55. There Is a "democratic" Socialist in This Race, But He’s Running as a Democrat
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:04 PM
Apr 2016

See, two can make equally divisive statements.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
60. This is where I have a problem,
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s.Hillary is touting herself to be Obama 3.0.

I don't want to relive the '80s again, with a Raygun on steroids Prez.?


Didn't care for moderate R's then or now.

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