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firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:46 AM Apr 2016

Bernie No Longer Promising to Fight Until the Convention

Bernie was on several morning shows on Sunday. Of course he was asked about the end game for his campaign, and he promised to stay in the race through California.

This is obviously very the sensible position for him to take. The folks that have been dreaming of a DNC floor fight can give that one up, your candidate doesn't seem to want that.

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Bernie No Longer Promising to Fight Until the Convention (Original Post) firebrand80 Apr 2016 OP
And folks pissing and moaning about him staying in at all can give it up/ morningfog Apr 2016 #1
I've never said he should drop out firebrand80 Apr 2016 #3
I wish but I know better. Pissers gonna piss, moaners gonna moan. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #27
And when I give up, I mean I will give UP. Good luck with that strategy. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #51
Bernie understands the campaign better than those in charge. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #2
The SD fight was nonsense from the beginning firebrand80 Apr 2016 #5
Yes, especially the thought all SD was going to swing to Sanders on the floor. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #37
but, but, the indictment fairy is coming! Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #52
But her delegates will nit be directed to Sanders, they would go elsewhere. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #55
If the SD's are off the table Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #12
I think he wants his followers in CA to be able to vote for him Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #26
The SD's are not going to be off the table and expect to see something similar in the GOP. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #38
The GOP doesn't have SDs like the Democrats. They do have some unpledged delegates SFnomad Apr 2016 #39
After the primaries in the GOP this year I would not be surprised if this happened in the GOP. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #40
Ah, you're talking about future ... I misread it and thought you meant this year n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #42
The GOP was hit in the face with something which is not good for their party, do I care, no, but Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #44
Maybe he didn't get enough sleep on the back-to-back pan-Atlantic jet rides? IamMab Apr 2016 #54
People will be outside the convention. mmonk Apr 2016 #4
Likely in "designated protest areas" firebrand80 Apr 2016 #6
Or they may engage in civil disobedience and ignore the "free speech" no speech zones. mmonk Apr 2016 #7
Some might firebrand80 Apr 2016 #9
It's not about him. mmonk Apr 2016 #17
They really don't get it. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #30
They remind me of the David Niven character in Bridge over River Kwai... dinkytron Apr 2016 #34
No, they will whine, complain and blame others until the bitter end. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #36
We the people are speaking with our votes, why create oligarchy, we don't need Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #41
And you're just fine with that? nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #8
Yes firebrand80 Apr 2016 #11
Not very American of you. And quite sad. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #13
There, there nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #14
Can't post what I am thinking but am sure you know. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #15
Feel free to PM me nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #21
Why the hell would I want to do that? nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #23
Sounded like there was something you needed firebrand80 Apr 2016 #25
But you want me to say it from the 'designated protest area' of DU? Live and Learn Apr 2016 #28
Well played nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #29
Much as Hillary supporters think it is, it is not a game. Live and Learn Apr 2016 #35
Protest is the politics of the voiceless. mmonk Apr 2016 #16
Yep, sad to see some here supporting silencing others. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #20
A big who cares? Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #10
They would look like sore losers treestar Apr 2016 #45
He must be exhausted. auntpurl Apr 2016 #18
I agree TexasBushwhacker Apr 2016 #47
If California Democrats are dissatisfied with their primaries' timing they should advocate Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #53
There is only one primary after June 7th. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #19
Except there won't be one nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #22
Third Way: the dead end with a pipe dream. Oh how they wish Bernie would just disappear. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #24
Actually, they wish all of us would disappear. But, we won't. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #31
Indeed: still here and ready to kick the establishment's ass. eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #43
You're reading too much into his comment. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #32
What's the proper interpretation? nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #33
I want him to stay in until the convention, for two reasons. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #46
Looks like you're going to be disappointed nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #48
Where do you read that Hillary had a stroke? auntpurl Apr 2016 #49
Cerebral venous thrombosis = thrombotic stroke lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #50
 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
27. I wish but I know better. Pissers gonna piss, moaners gonna moan.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:53 AM
Apr 2016

It never changes, and nothing good that ever Bernie does changes that.

Good morning, morningfog!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Bernie understands the campaign better than those in charge.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:50 AM
Apr 2016

He is tired and the loss in NY did not help him.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
5. The SD fight was nonsense from the beginning
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:52 AM
Apr 2016

It was more a justification to keep going than an actual strategy

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
26. I think he wants his followers in CA to be able to vote for him
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:52 AM
Apr 2016

which makes sense to me. But you're right, it won't make a difference unless he were to win California with something like 80% of the vote, which is obviously unlikely.

I do hope that he tones down the rhetoric against Hillary, starting tomorrow, when he will fall behind in delegates even more. His campaign has rested to a large extent on an "artful smear" of Hillary, twisting her positions to the point of demonization, and in order to prepare for the pivot towards the GE, he needs to tone that down and present her positions in a more nuanced manner.

And I would have said the same of Hillary if the positions were reversed.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
38. The SD's are not going to be off the table and expect to see something similar in the GOP.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

Set up to prevent hostile takeover and Hillary will still be ahead in PD at the convention.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
39. The GOP doesn't have SDs like the Democrats. They do have some unpledged delegates
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:46 AM
Apr 2016

but nothing of the scope that the Democrats do.

And if BS takes it all the way to the convention, he will lose in the first ballot. Secretary Clinton will have the majority of pledged delegates and she will have a super duper majority of Superdelegates ... there will be no contest.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
44. The GOP was hit in the face with something which is not good for their party, do I care, no, but
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:21 PM
Apr 2016

they are wishing they had the SD's.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
54. Maybe he didn't get enough sleep on the back-to-back pan-Atlantic jet rides?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:42 PM
Apr 2016

I mean, we know he ate well, based on the menu, but how much rest could he have gotten trying to cram a 3-hour stump speech into 10 minutes?

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
9. Some might
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

None of which will affect anything going on inside.

Your candidate dropping out and endorsing his opponent tends takes the wind out of the sails.

dinkytron

(568 posts)
34. They remind me of the David Niven character in Bridge over River Kwai...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

They will get, but when it's too late.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
41. We the people are speaking with our votes, why create oligarchy, we don't need
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:01 PM
Apr 2016

To be controlled by the few.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
11. Yes
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:03 AM
Apr 2016

There are security concerns. There are likely to be some pretty important people inside, like a certian POTUS, for instance

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
28. But you want me to say it from the 'designated protest area' of DU?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:55 AM
Apr 2016

Much better said with a hand gesture anyway.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
35. Much as Hillary supporters think it is, it is not a game.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

The climate is at stake and with it, our children's future. You may not care but I do.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
45. They would look like sore losers
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:23 PM
Apr 2016

that's all. Protesting that the party who gets the most votes gets the nomination.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
18. He must be exhausted.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:25 AM
Apr 2016

That is no slam on Bernie, I'm 30 years younger and I don't understand how either he OR Hillary have the energy they do. The campaign trail would literally kill me.

I think it's sensible for him to stay in through California. I've never been one to call for him to drop out. That way, everyone gets to vote fair and square and it will be clear what the mandate of the Democratic voters is. I think some here on DU will still be calling it a fix, but in the real world, voters will know that Bernie took it to CA and just didn't have the votes. That will prepare the party for unity. I expect Bernie to give Hillary a strong endorsement and get out on the campaign trail for her (after a little break). Exactly the same as I would expect Hillary to do for him if the situation were reversed.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,205 posts)
47. I agree
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

If I lived in California, it would piss me off that my vote doesn't count in the primary because it's so late. Unless HRC locks up the nomination with pledged delegates only, Sanders should stay in the race PERIOD. Consider the ongoing FBI investigation. What if Bernie dropped out and THEN the FBI recommended indictment? Do you really think all of Hillary's superdelegates would stick with her?

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
53. If California Democrats are dissatisfied with their primaries' timing they should advocate
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:24 PM
Apr 2016

and petition for change with their state Democratic party.

aikoaiko

(34,174 posts)
19. There is only one primary after June 7th.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

We'll see what happens.

A political brawl at the convention would be very interesting.
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
46. I want him to stay in until the convention, for two reasons.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:27 PM
Apr 2016

a) A lot can happen to a 69 year old stroke survivor who is under active FBI investigation between June 7th and July 25th. b) Sanders isn't angling for a position within the party or administration, but being mostly young independents, his supporters votes for Clinton ARE contingent on her adoption of their goals. The convention is the last opportunity to pressure Clinton to do so before she makes her rightward lurch for the general election.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
49. Where do you read that Hillary had a stroke?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

She had a blood clot a couple of years ago, but there's been no talk of a stroke. That's pretty libellous if you have no proof, to make undocumented proclamations about someone's medical history.

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