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awake

(3,226 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:35 AM Apr 2016

"How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk" a good read about what we need to know before we vote

"Throughout her career she has displayed instincts on foreign policy that are more aggressive than those of President Obama — and most Democrats."


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html?_r=0

If you want to see the US get more military involved around the world Hillary is the candidate for you. On the other hand if your preference is for a policy more like Obama's you might want to look else where.

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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. Which is weird, if you're a Democrat.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:09 AM
Apr 2016

If you believe all people are equal under the law, that makes it hard to justify bombing them for their oil, banana plantations, mineral reserves, water, natural gas, etc.

Oil, well! Money trumps peace is Buy Partisan.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
15. True on DU but not on the streets.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

When they are informed about Hillary the majority of them switch to Bernie. Most are very surprised to hear Hillary's views on foreign affairs.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
2. I love it when you mention to a Hillary supporter that Robert Kagan was one of her
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016

hand-picked advisers, while she was Secretary of State--and that Hillary supporter has no idea who Robert Kagan is.

Their eyes glaze over.

"Robert Kagan. You know, the guy who founded the neocon movement. He's the architect of the Iraq war and all of the war that we see now in the Middle East."

"Um, well. I just think it's time for a woman President and I like that she's tough. She seems really tough. Who is that Robert guy again?"

It's a wonder these types can even find their way back to the sorority house without assistance.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
3. Sorority house?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

Love your post except for that bit.

Most of her supporters, male and female, young and old (mostly old though dur), are shamelessly (and seemingly even proudly) ignorant about these important details about her.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
8. I would agree that some of her supporters understand very well that she is warmonger
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:05 AM
Apr 2016

and they like it. They are aware and they agree with the neocon plan--or due to their blind cult-of-personality support of Hillary they dismiss it. These types would watch her declare war on Iran (or Michigan, for that matter!) and defend it all the way.

However, there is another breed of Hillary supporter that is blissfully unaware. They don't get it. They are vacuous (and like soooo in the dark, OMG) like sneering sorority girls--mean girls. I suppose I could have included "fraternity"as well; the male flip side of that same coin.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
11. I can respect
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:03 AM
Apr 2016

those Hillary supporters who agree with her hawkish foreign policy, though I personally disagree with their position. At least they are making an informed choice. I have no respect for those who support her simply because it is time for a woman president, who insist she is a progressive yet can't explain why, who say she "gets things done" but can't point to anything specific, who think she was a great SoS but can't cite what she did, or who think she will be able to work with the Republicans without explaining how she can do that without being one.

 

alan2102

(75 posts)
4. yes, profound ignorance is a major part of the problem
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

But, apathy is the other half. Just plain don't give a shit, i.e. don't give a shit about global justice and decency, even when they KNOW about the abuses and outrages.

Uncle Joe

(58,372 posts)
6. They should know who Jack Keane is as well.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016


Jack Keane is one of the intellectual architects of the Iraq surge; he is also perhaps the greatest single influence on the way Hillary Clinton thinks about military issues. A bear of a man with a jowly, careworn face and Brylcreem-slicked hair, Keane exudes the supreme self-confidence you would expect of a retired four-star general. He speaks with a trace of a New York accent that gives his pronouncements a rat-a-tat urgency. He is also a well-compensated member of the military-industrial complex, sitting on the board of General Dynamics and serving as a strategic adviser to Academi, the private-security contractor once known as Blackwater. And he is the chairman of an aptly named think tank, the Institute for the Study of War. Though he is one of a parade of cable-TV generals, Keane is the resident hawk on Fox News, where he appears regularly to call for the United States to use greater military force in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. He doesn’t shrink from putting boots on the ground and has little use for civilian leaders, like Obama, who do.


Orsino

(37,428 posts)
7. As a woman, she could not afford to appear "weak"...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:51 AM
Apr 2016

...and during her rise to power, neocons were still framing the debate.

She has not led, but rather followed.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
14. I have never once seen her address all of the women and children affected by her
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

decisions wrt war and regime change. NO feminist pushes to cause that kind of suffering and tries to peddle it as 'strong foreign affairs experience". Those that say she is one obviously haven't read of her history causing victims around the world.

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
12. K&R!
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

I don't want to ever hear how the democrat party is the "anti war" party now that a majority of my fellow dems have supported a known hawk.

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