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What a bunch of crap. "Bernie-Faux's."

What is the "Butters" part, in reference to?

So prevalent here on DU this whole primary season that it got its own name, Bernie Butters, or But-ers more accurately. Your OP is spot on.

But-ers, I get it. Doh!?

but they are not qualified enough to hold any man's junk.

the most difficult thing: fundamental change in the face of a deadly status quo. Hillary's supporters are looking for the easiest thing: business as usual.

I'm getting pretty tired of limo-liberals, and fairly well-off Democrats, who only care about abortion, gays, guns, and perhaps immigration. But when you start talking higher minimum, getting rid of trade agreements, tariffs, or higher taxes, they basically say "screw you, you poor f**ks."

We are the base--the bottom of the structure--we hold up the "object" that is the Democratic Party. If we don't, the party falls. Voters need to start realizing they need to "tend to the base." I find myself particularly irritated with this race, mainly because we actually had a decent candidate running for once in my lifetime, who was a real, true-blue FDR-type Democrat. And we're choosing yet another corporate democrat, who will revert back to all of her old positions, probably as soon as the primary is over, and Bernie is ousted.

Bernie-Faux's.

If for Bernie to quit. That's pretty clear--so for the last few months, that's been their "primary" purpose.

I'm glad he's not complying, personally. We all need to get out and vote, those of us who aren't.

I'm getting pretty tired of her twisting around things Sanders and his campaign are saying. Like "Southern voters don't matter," as some sort of disrespect for black people.

Clearly Democrats will not win the South, with the exception "maybe" of NC, or VA. That comment was made as an answer to the 2.5 million more votes business, and meant "Well, the voter advantage was build up in States, where Hillary Clinton has no possibility of winning." Nothing wrong with that, no one said they didn't matter personally, or that they're just dumb southern blacks. Uninformed maybe, but no one is even saying that. Just saying we're not going to win those States where she built up that voter advantage. Now if you count the others, the ones Bernie has more votes in--we are entirely likely, or at least it's possible, to win those.

But lately it's been difficult.

She claims that she's unbiased, and the only evidence is she'll say "If Bernie wins the primary I'll vote for her." Then she'll bring on an endless stream of guests who speak ill of Bernie. Clearly she's getting her talking points and methods, from the Hillary campaign.

Specifically, today it was "The Rude Pundit." Jim supposedly is "leaning Bernie," but never seems to utter a kind word about him--I hardly ever hear anyone defend against the constant onslaught.

Heck the whole reason I listen to FSTV is the rest of our media stink so badly, and now I have to listen to her defend the establishment candidate, or not. Truth is I've been tuning out--plus I hate the poetry thing FSTV is doing in-between, but I guess it's better than replays of Stephanie bits bashing Sanders.

I found myself yelling at the TV as she would repeat all the talking points about how mean Bernie Sanders was and how the 'Bernie-Bros' were just being such mean bullies all the time. And if anyone talked bad about Secretary Clinton they were quickly shut down, but the jokes about 'Saint Bernard' were just chuckled at followed by a "Hey now, let's be nice."

The final straw was when somebody called up and confused their script/talking points and when their story didn't jive, "I'm married with a very young kid" at the start of the story and "It's just me and my partner" towards the middle of the call. And that's when I started wondering if this was just a paid/planted caller to smear Bernie. Then after I adjusted my tin-foil hat I realized that I'd most likely be happier listening to music instead of this nonsense.

After the primaries are over I'll think about tuning in again, but The fact that they always mock anyone that is for cannabis, well, as the reggae station I listen to says, 'Support the culture that supports your lifestyle.' So maybe it's time I find a better way to spend my mornings?

It seems like she is still angling for a job at MSNBC, because she might as well have been on that channel as far as her reporting has gone. I think it was right after New York, but I have been faltering quite a bit on listening.

And I'm the kind of fan that would find up her show on FSTV replays, if I missed the first part, to catch up. Now I don't usually listen to it for the whole time, and when I do listen, I find myself just cutting it off.

Plus when Sanders' supporters call, she either cuts them off, or interrupts them so badly as they can't express a single thought. But Hillary supporters call, and she won't say a word, as they slam Bernie over and over.

I was in tears it was so heartbreaking

We "vet" the fuck out of Hillary, we fawn over Bernie. This is how we show our allegiances. "Once in a while" my ass.

Over which we like to fawn.

I rarely hear Hillary's policy positions. She's too busy accusing Sanders of sexism, or racism, or xenophobia, or anti-Semitism. She's going for the large-strokes.

She has been a pretty classic candidate, in that she has forwarded very few specifics, with the exception of the $12 an hour minimum wage, back when she said $15 was too much. Now it's revised of course--to "Yea, sure, I was $15 all along, but all I was saying is, $12 is in-between the $7.25 and $15, yea, that's what I meant." "And did I say I don't like the way the trade agreements words are arranged?" "We'll have to rearrange those, and pass it."

You have exposed your true colors, that didn't take much effort.

I've exposed the fact Hillary has run her campaign based on accusing Bernie of doing things, he has not done, in order to win black votes, women votes, and other minorities.

Anyone who has actually checked out Sanders' positions knows he's supported women's rights, has been marching for black causes all the way back to when Hillary was a Goldwater Girl in her yout'.

There is nothing more disgusting than trying to win a campaign based on false accusations. Being bereft of actual policy positions, not wanting to give actual policies that can be concretely discussed, or perhaps that her corporate supporters might not like, I suppose all she has is to sling wildly inaccurate accusations.

and hypocrisy. Oh my God how hotly I avoid that heterocentric bully.

I used to tune in late on Mondays so that I'd purposefully miss his segments. I think that we can disagree without being disagreeable. And I'm the type of person to swear, I'm in no way a 'pearl-clutcher' when it comes to language, but I just didn't find him funny or entertaining, he was just mean a lot of the time.

And when Chris started baiting people on twitter I stopped following him and then the next day Steph and the gang were all laughing about what Chris was saying on twitter. Ugh, but 'Vote blue no matter who!' Sorry, but when other people do your thinking for you, they don't have your best interest at heart.

Is he trying to prove how "macho" he is? Like we all haven't heard the F word a gazillion times so much its boring and only reveals a third rate brain at best?
I think some of her followers may be secretly Bernie people but so badly need the exposure on her show they sublimate their Bernie-ness and feel they have to knock him to win her favor.

I have completely changed my radio/tv habits:

Bill Press - yes
Stephanie Miller - no
Thom Hartmann -no
Wayne Besen - no
Dick Kay - no
RK Eskew - yes
Allen Colmes - qualified yes
SNL - NO - never again
Seinfeld - no - cancelled taping it. Wished to hell I hadn't bought the whole series. Going to the Good Will as soon as I get over there. Larry David - Julia Louis Dreyfus - NOT FUNNY ANY MORE.
He used to be a good writer but is never funny in person - recall that horrid Woody Allen movie he was in - the worst "Woody" movie
ever!!

Crossed my mind, that some of her "guests" that like Bernie just might be careful to not agitate her by supporting their own supposed candidate, as to keep the "exposure" as you call it. Good enough theory there, I think.

Not sure what problem you have with Thom--he has been bending over backwards to not trash Hillary. I think he got caught up in that thing with Stephanie, and somehow fails to realize she's not really keeping up her end. You need to do more than just say "I'll vote for Sanders if he wins the nomination," to be fair. Far as the rest, I'm not aware or don't listen during those periods of the day. I will watch SNL, but you're right, they've become pretty right-wing, by comparison to the 1970's.

I used to always listen to her but she is a total Hillary head. EVERY false talking point that the Hillary campaign comes up with, she makes her theme. She has her guests who talk up the talking points.
Then she'll say," But Bernie's a great candidate and I'd vote for him."
And then back to the disinformation and propaganda.

Thom Hartmann is a Bernie supporter, but doesn't want to attack Hillary personally, but he will bring up the mis-information and lies when Hillary puts them out.

Hillaroid is dead to me. F them if they cannot see the tragedy that is Madame Her.

Really sucks because Free Speech TV is my only connection with the outside world other than the web. I avoid that shitty show most of the time but I was away most of the weekend and when I turned on my Roku this morning, Miller was on with that guy from Media Matters. Now there's an unbiased source, right? Gets his paycheck from that low life Brock. Anyway there he was, whining about how the press has been mean to Clinton for 25 years. Turned it off right away and made a mental note to tune to something else before I shut the TV off.

The show was pretty juvenile anyway.

How do these people look at themselves in the mirror every day and not see "SHILL" all over their forehead?

When FSTV becomes like MSNBC, it sort of gets to What's the point--I listen because it is supposedly a little left, the way the "truth," is "liberal."

... don't ya?

We hold up the Democratic Party "object," unless we decide to allow it to fall.

I'm getting pretty tired of elitist, limousine liberals, who seem to increasingly be looking at the poor in very similar ways to Republicans. I've had many discussions this election season, with Hillary supporters, where they sound AMAZINGLY like Republicans, straw men examples, all.

They don't repeatedly post Fox News links, hang on every work of HA Goodman, promote the words of Trump advisors, use Judicial Watch, ask if LGBQT and POC are suffering from Stockholm, claim they are looking forward to indictment, etc.

Know them by their words and actions. Same with all candidates supporters.

Is what I hear. Oh well, don't care.

of course over the past few months. They still will/have voted for him, but don't like the unsupported attacks on Hillary.

And this new effort by that PAC, has stated that their purpose is to push back against Hillary attacks. Which is very likely the case, since they didn't have to announce they were doing it at all.

Is that factual information that you've blocked out, and just decided to not believe? I find you point out a bit of history to a lot of Hillary supporters, and they either refuse to believe it, or say "Oh that was her husband," while still wanting to claim her time as first lady, as experience. Either it's experience, and you embrace the policies you helped shape, or it wasn't experience, and you can divorce yourself from his policies. Can't have your cake, and eat it too.

The really sad thing about most of my discussions is how much like Republicans her supporters have sounded on economic issues. I've heard some of them use straw-men that would make Reagan proud.

Like claiming her individual donations over her career were "evidence" of her being bought by Wall Street, when they were simply donations to her congressional campaigns by individuals who work for those companies based in New York.

Like attacking her character and claiming she is corrupt, when he can't site even a single example of a time her vote was influenced by a donor.

Like claiming she wouldn't debate him, so he could get media attention and fund raise, when in fact the campaigns were already in negotiations about the debate.

And all the other times he and his campaign have outright lied, misrepresented facts, and attacked her.

Is that acceptable?

Were you paid to say that?

Nor was I paid to vote for Bernie last week.

I just think her economic, and trade policies are far too Republican. I think she views things a little like royalty, and she's a part of royalty, and we're all the commoners, and we can just shut up and take what they give us, no matter how messed up it is.

I'd just like a more Democrat, Democrat. And Hillary isn't that. Not at all.

That's why I voted for Bernie.