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amborin

(16,631 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:16 AM Apr 2016

Hillary's Deceitful Smear of Pres Obama in 2008:

This is Hillary's 2008 campaign ad against Obama:



BUT:

Clinton doesn't mention the fact that she accepted even more money from executives and employees of oil companies — $309,363, according to the center.

And she accepted about $442,800 from energy lobbyists, according to the center, though not all of that is from oil and gas alone.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/apr/17/hillary-clinton/yes-oil-company-employees-have-donated-to-obama/
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Hillary's Deceitful Smear of Pres Obama in 2008: (Original Post) amborin Apr 2016 OP
Remind us who suggested President Obama be primaried? brooklynite Apr 2016 #1
+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #2
Gee, what's worse? frylock Apr 2016 #3
Some people actually think that a Democratic Party should actually be rhett o rick Apr 2016 #6
Bernie said Obama should be primaried only he didn't have the nerve to do it himself redstateblues Apr 2016 #8
Again with the "misstatements" you guys are good at. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #9
Remind us who put in a great deal of effort to prevent him from ever holding that office..... Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #7
Berniemania sweeps New Haven liberal from boston Apr 2016 #17
She is as dirty a campaigner as I have ever seen. Vattel Apr 2016 #4
As dirty as blatantly getting caught stealing data from another campaign? n/t Sheepshank Apr 2016 #11
Don't you remember? They decided that was actually a Hillary scandal. StevieM Apr 2016 #13
Sanders was in no way responsible for that, as you know. Your dishonesty is typical. Vattel Apr 2016 #15
No one knows for sure, but since Sheepshank Apr 2016 #16
You accused Sanders of being dirty because of the theft of Clinton campaign data. Vattel Apr 2016 #18
His campaign, he is responsible Sheepshank Apr 2016 #20
Your dishonest attack is what stinks. Vattel Apr 2016 #21
She was a dirty first lady too, just read the books written by WH staff! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #5
#1 it's a fucking campaign and #2 Bernie has said some despicable things about Hillary Sheepshank Apr 2016 #10
then Obama sucked up to coal, oil, and fracking and even implemented Drill Here Drill Now ... MisterP Apr 2016 #12
"Who cares, that was like a hundred (-92) years ago" whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #14
A good example of why Politifact is misleading... Ino Apr 2016 #19
Clinton and Obama are Democrats who saw the bigger picture, is the difference Tarc Apr 2016 #22
Wow. That's the "dirtiest" Hillary ad you could come up with? Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #23

frylock

(34,825 posts)
3. Gee, what's worse?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

That or Hillary betraying Obama's trust and a direct order by soliciting Blumenthal for advice on State business?

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
6. Some people actually think that a Democratic Party should actually be
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

democratic. Sen Sanders didn't suggest that Pres Obama be primaried like you "misspeak" but did consider that he should have a primary challenger with the hope that Obama would move a little bit back to the left like candidate Obama.

So let's compare. Clinton tries to disparage Obama with lies and racist misrepresentations and Sen Sanders tries to use the democratic system to hold Obama accountable.

It's been clear for many years that Clinton's motto is "The Ends Justify the Means."

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
9. Again with the "misstatements" you guys are good at.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:35 PM
Apr 2016

This is what he actually said. "Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders continues to argue that a Democratic primary challenge to President Obama would be “good for democracy and for the Democratic Party.”

Holding elected representatives accountable is a duty of a good Democrat, not authoritarian adulation.

He never said Obama should be "primaried".

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. Remind us who put in a great deal of effort to prevent him from ever holding that office.....
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:14 PM
Apr 2016

Thank God she lost in 2008, we'd still have DOMA in place and she'd still be weeping over her faith based biases against LGBT.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
13. Don't you remember? They decided that was actually a Hillary scandal.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

The data breech is considered the ultimate example of corruption--on Hillary's part.

Can you imagine if the roles were reversed? Imagine what they would be saying if Hillary's campaign had stolen data from Bernie's campaign.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
16. No one knows for sure, but since
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:55 PM
Apr 2016

in the big world there is such a thing as leadership responsibility for what happens in the organization...he owns it.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
18. You accused Sanders of being dirty because of the theft of Clinton campaign data.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

Now you admit that, for all you know, he had no involvement whatsoever. Would you like a shovel?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
20. His campaign, he is responsible
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:44 PM
Apr 2016

He could just as easily have known about is as not known about it. He and his campaign stink with the lies and absolutions they are giving each other.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
21. Your dishonest attack is what stinks.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:18 PM
Apr 2016

"He could just as easily have known about is as not known about it." You should stop embarrassing yourself and just admit that the mere possibility that he knew does not justify accusing him of dirty campaigning.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
10. #1 it's a fucking campaign and #2 Bernie has said some despicable things about Hillary
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:42 PM
Apr 2016

so cut the bullshit and #3 explain to me how that absolved Bernie from calling for Obama to be Primaried.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
19. A good example of why Politifact is misleading...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:53 PM
Apr 2016

I see so many articles touting Politifact as "proof" of Hillary's honesty.

They rated this Hillary ad as "truthful" -- but there is no place in their ratings for the gross misimplications, hypocrisy, flip-flopping, weasel words, and shape-shifting that Hillary indulges in every day.

Those are huge reasons that people think she's dishonest -- not because they question the truthiness of statements like "Another thing we know that does not work, based on lots of empirical evidence, is torture," and "Could I just point out that ... I seem to get the first question all the time?" Politifact stacks the Hillary truth column with statements of fact no one disagrees with, and throw-away noncontentious comments.

Politifact might be useful to assess the truth of a particular statement, but should NOT be used to judge a person's overall honesty.

(This was a side rant, not directed at OP, but at people who use Politifact as proof that Hillary is innately honest!)

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
22. Clinton and Obama are Democrats who saw the bigger picture, is the difference
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:20 PM
Apr 2016

They made up and worked towards a common goal; defeating th GOP candidate in the fall.

Bernie has to decide if he can man up and do the same.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
23. Wow. That's the "dirtiest" Hillary ad you could come up with?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:23 PM
Apr 2016

Seems 100% accurate to me, and criticizing a senator for a vote is garden variety politics. And it seems that it didn't really upset Obama that much.

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