2016 Postmortem
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BY SOPHIA TESFAYE
Bernie Sanders has repeatedly said he is committed to battling Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination to the very end, insisting that all future attacks will be policy based, but now one of his most active Hollywood supporters is invoking Monica Lewinsky to accuse Clinton of bullying the Sanders campaign.
We are literally under attack for not just supporting the other candidate, actress and top Sanders surrogate Rosario Dawson said at a Sanders campaign rally in Wilmington, Delaware, on Saturday. Now, Im with Monica Lewinsky with this, she continued, invoking the infamous White House intern. Bullying is bad. She has actually dedicated her life now to talking about that. And now, as a campaign strategy, we are being bullied, and, somehow that is O.K. and not being talked about with the richness that it needs:
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Asked about Dawsons comments on CNNs State of the Union Sunday, Sanders struggled to explain what Dawson was suggesting.
One of your high-profile surrogates, actress Rosario Dawson, invoked Monica Lewinsky at one of your rallies, host Jake Tapper said to the Vermont senator. Do you think its appropriate for your surrogates to be talking about Monica Lewinsky on the campaign trail?
Read more: http://www.salon.com/2016/04/25/im_with_monica_lewinsky_on_this_bernie_sanders_struggles_to_explain_top_surrogate_rosario_dawsons_latest_attack_on_hillary_clinton/
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)He had to make do with spunking on her dress
Beacool
(30,250 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)that's pretty sad.
MinnieBlum
(38 posts)Danny Boyle's long-term relationship?
LOL! Well.. at least she knows what she's talking about with Lewinsky.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)And Danny Boyle famously seduced her after the filming of Trance.
Let's not blame the women!!
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)I haven't seen you in ages. I keep having to reuse my bankies. I haven't had a new one in a long time.
This new bankie is gorgeous!!! Thank you, my friend.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)going on the internets much... still don't really.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)It's tough. My mom died unexpectedly in 2009 and it still hurts. May your dad rest in peace.
P.S. Come around once in a while. It'll be nice to see you and it'll distract you, if nothing more than to see the constant sturm und drang. The fur flies here at a higher rate than in an actual cat fight.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)2012 so its just me now... I think I need a banky of my own...
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Here's a goofy looking dog to make you laugh.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)and a sense of perspective, because something's clearly missing.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Classless.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Ugh.
Sparkly
(24,149 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Curious that y'all have to use him to bash Hillary.
Such a backwards country in terms of sex. No one in Europe gives a rat's ass about their politicians' sex lives. They're assumed to be human.
I though Bill Clinton was a great president. Who did you vote for?
frylock
(34,825 posts)I voted for Perot. Remember that giant sucking sound?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Checked out your transparency page. And your profile.
Fascinating info there.
Have a good day now.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)he almost lost me, after that, and I have always felt that consenting adult behavior should remain the business of the consenting adults involved, the people who had a right to be pissed were the ones directly affected.
I still defended him because I felt that Ken Starr had no business rooting around in the man's underwear drawer in the first place.
But he lost a bit of the right to get all preachy and moralistic with the rest of us, to my mind. Yet he still couldn't resist the urge to drag out that same waggy finger in his recent defense of the drug war, and the policies he enabled which filled our prisons with people arrested for "crimes" like growing pot for cancer patients.
And it's very simple, Bill Clinton is a surrogate of the Hillary campaign just as Rosario Dawson is a surrogate of the Sanders campaign. Either surrogates' behavior is fair game, or it isn't.
Joyless.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)but I'd need to know its history first.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)we are hearing the "bully" statement from the Sanders campaign after this statement, give me a break.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Bernie, the choice of the Purity Party, has the surrogates do the dirty work
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)dchill
(38,511 posts)Hard to forget the ego and mentality of the guy that let/made that happen, and the DISASTROUS effect it had on the lives of everyone who tries to live by the rules and laws of this country.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Response to JoePhilly (Reply #5)
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dchill
(38,511 posts)Hekate
(90,738 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... a spouse generally wants to believe that their significant other would never cheat on them.
And I don't have to go back in time to refresh my memory.
The entire story was one that RW whack jobs masturbated over endlessly.
And its sad to see supposed liberals trying to resurrect it as part of some last ditch desperate effort to steal an election they can't win on the merits.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Then it was water works.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The RW used to be the only people obsessed with Bil's dick.
Not anymore.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I do care that he lied to my face tho!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)As for him "lying to your face" ...
First ... bwahahahaha.
Second ... so don't vote for him next time he runs for office.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Maybe you don't care about being lied to but I do.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Get over it.
Svafa
(594 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Svafa
(594 posts)using his position of power to take advantage (at the very least) of women belongs anywhere near the white house. But rest assured, this is just one of many, many issues that influences my vote.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Svafa
(594 posts)I assure you, if you read my posts on other topics, you will find various issues that I base my vote on.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wow, this site has changed.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)the third way / DLCers as rethug-lite.
The Clintons have never been that liberal; they've always been centrists.
and between the trade policies and domestic policies like DADT and prison reform which locked up a lot of African amerians, those views are not totally without merit.
that's not to say that bill wasn't vastly better than anyone the rethugs could throw up against him, though.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)instead of Bill Clinton? Curious.
I think he was one of our best presidents.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)votes were for him. there was no one else running at the time I would vote for if I had to do it again.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)and pretend like she doesn't exist? I got a bridge for sale. It's called baggage and the Clinton's both carry a ton of it. Buy smelling salts to get you through it, I'm gonna stock up on popcorn.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)At all.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)The outrage over Monica is funny as all get out, and there are still a few more of Bills old "friends" that haven't rolled out yet.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)As for any undecideds, lordie lordie, if a candidate's husband's sordid sex life (ancient history) is what is important to them, well, there ya go.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)never heard of Monica before. To the rest of us, not so much...
Autumn
(45,120 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)But after receiving this fact-filled answer, you've convinced me. You're either nuts with hate for both Clintons or just nuts.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)conduct toward women.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Don't tell me this shit isn't coordinated.
It's the STUPIDEST tactic BS could have initiated, but it's not surprising. None of the Top Ten Salaried Personnel on the Sanders bus are women. Yes, he has a few women in his entourage, but they don't get those good paychecks--those are reserved for the boys.
You'd think he'd know better. This is one of those things that will become a BIG part of the postmortem for his campaign, and it will be one of the things he's remembered for. And that's just not a good look.
dchill
(38,511 posts)Not Sanders. It's about compromising yourself while holding the highest elected office in the US. It's about the gridlock and the resultant move even farther to the right, just to stay in office. If you can't see that....
MADem
(135,425 posts)dchill
(38,511 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)It's not "projecting" when your principal turns into a stumblebum when challenged. It's seeing what he said, and taking note of it.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)Jewish Presidential candidate.
Where were the outcries about that? Oh - there was none from the Hill supporters.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/after-blasting-bernie-event-as-a-hate-rally-with-armbands-clinton-supporter-scrubs-twitter-apologizes/
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I find it fascinating that Bernie supporters don't want Janes College baggage attached to his campaign, but are willing to add Bill's issues to Hillary's campaign....hypocrisy is not in short demand from many Bernie Bros.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)dchill
(38,511 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)dumping Bill while he was being impeached. If that's the deal she struck then that is the deal she has to live with.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)own way through life. Frankly, she's an embarrassment to feminism.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Demsrule86
(68,615 posts)Honestly, he is old so I guess it does not matter that much...but anything he stood for is gone.
LexVegas
(6,075 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Funny, she doesn't seem to fit the demographic profile.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Svafa
(594 posts)I'm blaming that man's surrogates and supporters for slut shaming that woman, for bullying her, and essentially ruining her life. And for those of you who didn't read/hear Rosario Dawson's actual comments...this (bullying) is what they were actually about, in reference to Lewinsky's recent TED talk.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)but no one really gives a shit about her. they just use her when convenient for themselves. first republicans, and now the Bernie surrogates.
Demsrule86
(68,615 posts)Really you think that is appropriate?
Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)...Bernie and Monica team-up. Not liking it at all... This isn't going to help the Sanders campaign with Democrats. They should stop bringing her up...
aikoaiko
(34,177 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)This is truly pathetic though.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)Including one that somehow involved the Dalai Lama!!!
Demsrule86
(68,615 posts)I have no idea in what context Rosario was talking about her, Sanders admitted. But I would hope that all of our people focus on the real issues facing working people and the massive level of income and wealth inequality that we have.
What our job, right now, is to contrast our views compared to Secretary Clinton. Thats what a campaign is about, he continued before adding that campaigns shouldnt be about personal attacks.
Berni= 'story teller' as my Mom told us to call...er lying...he said he would not attack her but allows/encourages his surrogates to do so.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But you said it, there in your OP. I count at least 3 times, you "invoked" the name. You said "Lewinsky"! IT'S LIKE MARY FUCKING WORTH, YOU HAVE NO IDEA THE FORCES YOU MERE MORTALS ARE MEDDLING WITH!
For god's sake, don't say "Lewinsky".
Now I said it!
Oh, no! OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cha
(297,385 posts)I am surprised, dismayed, and concerned that you would do your legacy such a disservice by becoming an instrument of the establishment, rather than joining this movement to create a better America like you once inspired us to do, Dawson said.
It's dawson who's the poor little tool. Delores Huerta will go down in History as the Worker's Rights Icon that she is.. and rosario will be on the junk pile of history for ignorantly trying to portray her as #soestablishment
In case there was any doubt as to whether Sanders approved of her message, Dawson was subsequently picked to introduce him at speaking events in San Diego and Los Angeles, where she told crowds to be wary of the media. She spoke of how she been registering Latino voters for 11 years through Voto Latino. Good for her. Dolores Huerta has been doing it for 56, since back when that kind of thing could get you lynched.
MOre..
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/27/rosario-dawson-dolores-huerta-bernie-sanders
Mahalo, Cali~
marble falls
(57,134 posts)than than power"
This isn't about abuse, this is about the male perpetrators of abuse who feel obliged the privilege of invisibility for seriously flawed treatment of women they are in power over. Some guys in power think Kissinger said "power never fails, no means yes, and if she's a bit inebriated, so much the better" instead of "no more effective aphrodisiac ."
I'm sorry, the POTUS poaching trim in a dark far corridor from a twenty-two year old barely paid intern was wrong.
Should he have lost his job over it? Absolutely not. But he never should have lied about it. Right after his convention Big Dog and Hillary went on Sixty Minutes and discussed Bill's having tapped strange outside of their marriage but that he had come clean and that they worked it out and she had forgiven him, and then the American people did, too.
After all: It was business as usual. Just standard procedure. If no one can tell if he drove it home with any of the Arkansas accusers, Bill had a hand in it. He poisoned his own well by parsing 'is' and lying - looking straight into the faces of everyone on TV - "I did not have sex with that woman" about Lewinski. And the whole time that he's committing perjury and paying off some of his other accusers in other courtrooms and lawyer's offices.
So while the GOP were vultures drawn by blood, there was enough smoke to suspect fire.