2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe growing myth of the ‘independent’ voter
If you were to pick a random American off of the street, it's more likely that he or she would identify as an independent than as a Democrat or a Republican. That's been the case for a while now, of course, so the new numbers from Gallup breaking down the country's partisanship aren't, by themselves, earth-shattering.
What's interesting is when you break out those independents. As we noted in August, most independents lean toward one party or the other and in 2012, the majority of those leaning independents voted for their preferred party's presidential candidate. (According to the book "The Gamble," 90 percent of Democratic-leaning independents backed Obama in 2012, and 78 percent of Republican-leaning ones backed Romney.)
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484
You can see the trend a bit more clearly looking only at the first Gallup surveys of each year. The lighter blue and red sections have gotten bigger, as have the yellow.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/11/independents-outnumber-democrats-and-republicans-but-theyre-not-very-independent/
basselope
(2,565 posts)"According to the book "The Gamble," 90 percent of Democratic-leaning independents backed Obama in 2012, and 78 percent of Republican-leaning ones backed Romney."
And therein lies the difference in the election. Romney was only able to maintain 78% of the REPUBLICAN leaning independents, while Obama had 90% of the democrat leaning independents.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)which is that what voters call themselves doesn't change their voting patterns.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Turnout, totals for each party, etc. - no variation whatsoever.
basselope
(2,565 posts)The election was close and those variants in % of the "leaners" accounts for the result.
Obama held a larger % of democratic leaners, whereas Romney didn't.
Thus, Romney lost.
This confirms the "myth" of the independent voter and shows how important they are to the swing of the election.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Most people not conservative liked (and like) Obama'
Clinton? Not so much.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)I've read that previously. And since the polling is very sophisticated and since voters can be identified so specifically, why spend all this money? Just poll the 12% and be done with it!!
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)The Republican nominee can't reach 270 without those 2 states.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It is hilarious.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)This seems to show that most actually lean one way or another.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)The "myth" is that there should be any concern about it. Independents do not exist, they are just a right-wing or Sanders talking point.
Neoliberal New "Democrats" are great, will always win. All this noise about more people hating the system and its two parties more than ever is a myth. The country is in great shape and life is wonderful. Vote Clinton. Math endorses her.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Don't blame me for this, I'm only the messenger. He said, "They're a bunch of lazy, whiny freeloaders who run on pure emotion and are too lazy to research anything -- including what it takes to vote in a primary. Thank God Bernie is not a reflection of his fans base in any manner, or he'd be guilty of being the biggest jackass to ever run for political office."
For the record, I agree with only a fraction of what he said.
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On edit: that fraction is very close to 1.
angrychair
(8,717 posts)who thinks Sanders supporters are "Whiny freeloaders" and that Sanders could have been the biggest jackass to run for political office...you said you don't believe all of it....just posting what you "hear from a friend"
Except for many of the post you make on DU that follow that same thought process...
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)angrychair
(8,717 posts)They line up with what you normally say...
PufPuf23
(8,802 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)I do not want them picking our candidates.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Judging from the last 30 years or so that hasn't been the case in most states at all levels.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)The ones for her, not so much. (About being to the right. Ha!)
Dem2
(8,168 posts)In that time, I have never voted for a Republican.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)they are called 'no-party' which seems more accurate.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Putting Ind in the middle to me seems disingenuous.. even the "dem-leaning" and "gop-leaning" seems out of place - Republicans & Democrats are not the furthest point of the spectrum... IMO it's an over simplification of a broader ideological picture..
leveymg
(36,418 posts)The takeaway from this is that if a candidate doesn't appeal to Indies, forget it in the GE. HRC has long been in deep negative numbers among Indies. Not a good sign for November.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)And not merely a bunch of folks who like the sound of being "independent." I'm sure many Tea Party types love referring to themselves as "independent."
Obama lost the Independent vote in nearly every swing state in 2012, yet he still crushed Romney.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Look at the combined deep blue and light blue total, and how deep that combined sector was. They amounted to fully 50% eight years ago, compared to less than 45% today.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)As others have noted, unaffiliated voters are all over the spectrum politically. When it comes to casting a ballot they have the same duopoly to contend with as anyone else, so unsurprisingly most of them consistently vote for one party or the other. Shocking!
I'm unaffiliated because the Democratic Party is a corrupt center right shit-show. It's cousin the Republican Party is a corrupt far right shit-show. So when casting a ballot the corrupt rightwing shit-show that comes closest to representing me is the Democratic Party.
Both of these organizations should disappear.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Bernie is changing that sort of. 2020 we are back to the samo samo unless a leader - maybe Bernie? - takes it to the next step whatever that is.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Some Democrats vote 3rd party.
Some Republicans vote 3rd party.
Some Independent do the same.
Conclusion: Some people think that labels are meaningless and choose to think for themselves.