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sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:56 PM Apr 2016

The growing myth of the ‘independent’ voter

If you were to pick a random American off of the street, it's more likely that he or she would identify as an independent than as a Democrat or a Republican. That's been the case for a while now, of course, so the new numbers from Gallup breaking down the country's partisanship aren't, by themselves, earth-shattering.

What's interesting is when you break out those independents. As we noted in August, most independents lean toward one party or the other — and in 2012, the majority of those leaning independents voted for their preferred party's presidential candidate. (According to the book "The Gamble," 90 percent of Democratic-leaning independents backed Obama in 2012, and 78 percent of Republican-leaning ones backed Romney.)

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

You can see the trend a bit more clearly looking only at the first Gallup surveys of each year. The lighter blue and red sections have gotten bigger, as have the yellow.


https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/11/independents-outnumber-democrats-and-republicans-but-theyre-not-very-independent/

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The growing myth of the ‘independent’ voter (Original Post) sufrommich Apr 2016 OP
Myth about the myth debunked in the text. basselope Apr 2016 #1
That hardly debunks the point, sufrommich Apr 2016 #3
That is why election results never vary in any way. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #9
Actually, it does. basselope Apr 2016 #22
Clinton is no Obama Armstead Apr 2016 #26
So 12% of the people will decide the election? oldandhappy Apr 2016 #2
Actually, Florida and Ohio will decide this election. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #16
You debunked yourself nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #4
What exactly is the myth? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #5
Presumably that this new majority of voters is truly independent. Lucinda Apr 2016 #7
My guess: JackRiddler Apr 2016 #10
I asked a Neoliberal New "Democrat" what he thought about Sanders's supporters. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #15
Yes, you have a "friend" angrychair Apr 2016 #20
Serendipitous, no? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #25
Yea, what a coincidence angrychair Apr 2016 #29
You?? eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #30
Nearly 70% of so-called 'independents' are either moderate or conservative. onehandle Apr 2016 #6
Then maybe you should pick candidates that they will vote for. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #11
That is what you beliee, but it is not the case nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #23
Oh God no. I agree. Hillary is about as far to the right as we can stand as a party. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #27
The ones against Hillary say this rock Apr 2016 #28
I've been a registered independent for 30 years Dem2 Apr 2016 #8
We don't have 'independents' where I live SharonClark Apr 2016 #12
That graphic is deceiving.. disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #13
What myth? I see Indies are the largest block, with both parties declining leveymg Apr 2016 #14
The myth is that they're impartial, issue-based voters. Garrett78 Apr 2016 #17
Indys are all over the place. But, in 2008 they were largely Dem-leaning (light blue). leveymg Apr 2016 #18
If so then the op is a classic strawman argument. Warren Stupidity Apr 2016 #19
Agree. No surprise here. Unfortunately, voters have few places to go so do default to party. snowy owl Apr 2016 #21
Some Republicans vote for Democrats. Some Democrats vote for Republicans. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #24
 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
1. Myth about the myth debunked in the text.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 12:58 PM
Apr 2016

"According to the book "The Gamble," 90 percent of Democratic-leaning independents backed Obama in 2012, and 78 percent of Republican-leaning ones backed Romney."

And therein lies the difference in the election. Romney was only able to maintain 78% of the REPUBLICAN leaning independents, while Obama had 90% of the democrat leaning independents.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
3. That hardly debunks the point,
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

which is that what voters call themselves doesn't change their voting patterns.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
9. That is why election results never vary in any way.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

Turnout, totals for each party, etc. - no variation whatsoever.

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
22. Actually, it does.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

The election was close and those variants in % of the "leaners" accounts for the result.

Obama held a larger % of democratic leaners, whereas Romney didn't.

Thus, Romney lost.

This confirms the "myth" of the independent voter and shows how important they are to the swing of the election.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
2. So 12% of the people will decide the election?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

I've read that previously. And since the polling is very sophisticated and since voters can be identified so specifically, why spend all this money? Just poll the 12% and be done with it!!

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
16. Actually, Florida and Ohio will decide this election.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

The Republican nominee can't reach 270 without those 2 states.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
7. Presumably that this new majority of voters is truly independent.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:17 PM
Apr 2016

This seems to show that most actually lean one way or another.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
10. My guess:
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:25 PM
Apr 2016

The "myth" is that there should be any concern about it. Independents do not exist, they are just a right-wing or Sanders talking point.

Neoliberal New "Democrats" are great, will always win. All this noise about more people hating the system and its two parties more than ever is a myth. The country is in great shape and life is wonderful. Vote Clinton. Math endorses her.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
15. I asked a Neoliberal New "Democrat" what he thought about Sanders's supporters.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:33 PM
Apr 2016

Don't blame me for this, I'm only the messenger. He said, "They're a bunch of lazy, whiny freeloaders who run on pure emotion and are too lazy to research anything -- including what it takes to vote in a primary. Thank God Bernie is not a reflection of his fans base in any manner, or he'd be guilty of being the biggest jackass to ever run for political office."

For the record, I agree with only a fraction of what he said.

=========

On edit: that fraction is very close to 1.

angrychair

(8,717 posts)
20. Yes, you have a "friend"
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:02 PM
Apr 2016

who thinks Sanders supporters are "Whiny freeloaders" and that Sanders could have been the biggest jackass to run for political office...you said you don't believe all of it....just posting what you "hear from a friend"
Except for many of the post you make on DU that follow that same thought process...

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
6. Nearly 70% of so-called 'independents' are either moderate or conservative.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:13 PM
Apr 2016

I do not want them picking our candidates.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
11. Then maybe you should pick candidates that they will vote for.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

Judging from the last 30 years or so that hasn't been the case in most states at all levels.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
13. That graphic is deceiving..
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:33 PM
Apr 2016

Putting Ind in the middle to me seems disingenuous.. even the "dem-leaning" and "gop-leaning" seems out of place - Republicans & Democrats are not the furthest point of the spectrum... IMO it's an over simplification of a broader ideological picture..

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
14. What myth? I see Indies are the largest block, with both parties declining
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:33 PM
Apr 2016

The takeaway from this is that if a candidate doesn't appeal to Indies, forget it in the GE. HRC has long been in deep negative numbers among Indies. Not a good sign for November.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
17. The myth is that they're impartial, issue-based voters.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

And not merely a bunch of folks who like the sound of being "independent." I'm sure many Tea Party types love referring to themselves as "independent."

Obama lost the Independent vote in nearly every swing state in 2012, yet he still crushed Romney.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
18. Indys are all over the place. But, in 2008 they were largely Dem-leaning (light blue).
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

Look at the combined deep blue and light blue total, and how deep that combined sector was. They amounted to fully 50% eight years ago, compared to less than 45% today.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
19. If so then the op is a classic strawman argument.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

As others have noted, unaffiliated voters are all over the spectrum politically. When it comes to casting a ballot they have the same duopoly to contend with as anyone else, so unsurprisingly most of them consistently vote for one party or the other. Shocking!

I'm unaffiliated because the Democratic Party is a corrupt center right shit-show. It's cousin the Republican Party is a corrupt far right shit-show. So when casting a ballot the corrupt rightwing shit-show that comes closest to representing me is the Democratic Party.

Both of these organizations should disappear.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
21. Agree. No surprise here. Unfortunately, voters have few places to go so do default to party.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie is changing that sort of. 2020 we are back to the samo samo unless a leader - maybe Bernie? - takes it to the next step whatever that is.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
24. Some Republicans vote for Democrats. Some Democrats vote for Republicans.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

Some Democrats vote 3rd party.

Some Republicans vote 3rd party.

Some Independent do the same.

Conclusion: Some people think that labels are meaningless and choose to think for themselves.

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