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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,071 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:09 PM Apr 2016

Isn’t it obvious by now? Black votes matter

I often don't agree with Kathleen Parker but she's spot on here.

CHARLESTON, S.C. — African-Americans in the South can't get a break when it comes to voting, as history can't deny.

After all they've endured through slavery, Jim Crow and the fight for civil rights, their voices are still treated dismissively by tone-deaf politicians who would ask for their votes.

If you're thinking Bernie Sanders, you're partly right.

Earlier this month, having lost massively to Hillary Clinton across the Southeast, Sanders commented that the bevy of early Southern primaries “distorts reality.” In other comments soon thereafter, perhaps covering for what was obviously a lapse in political acumen, he clarified that those early states are the most conservative in the country.

Not really. And not really.

While some segments of the South are undeniably conservative, Dixie is also home to a large and reliably Democratic cohort — African-Americans. Many of the most liberal people serving in today's Congress were elected by Southerners, and especially black Southerners. The reality is that Sanders failed to earn their votes in part by treating the South as a lost cause.

Many took Sanders' remarks as insinuating that the black vote isn't all that important. Adding to the insult, actor Tim Robbins, a Sanders surrogate, said that Clinton's win in South Carolina, where more than half of Democratic voters are African-American, was “about as significant” as winning Guam.

Not cool, Mr. Robbins, but you were great in “The Shawshank Redemption.”

The gentleman from Vermont (black population: 1 percent) and the gentleman from Hollywood failed to charm Southern Democratic leaders, who recently responded with a letter condemning Sanders' remarks. The signatories, including the Democratic Party chairs of South Carolina (an African-American), Louisiana, Florida, Georgia and Mississippi, expressed concern that Sanders' characterization of the South minimized “the importance of the voices of a core constituency for our party.”

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20160425/OPINION04/160429628/Isn't-it-obvious-by-now-Black-votes-matter--

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Isn’t it obvious by now? Black votes matter (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 OP
Bring on the next slate of primaries so they can matter even more. oasis Apr 2016 #1
Unless Sanders can broaden the appeal of his message, there is no movement ... salinsky Apr 2016 #2
Nothing in your post is remotely true AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #4
Yeah, it was so "not true" your reply was positively overflowing with the reasons. IamMab Apr 2016 #11
White angst -- No, its human concern and aspiration Armstead Apr 2016 #10
But, Sanders' message doesn't resonate in minority communities ... salinsky Apr 2016 #13
Keep it up if you want -- But I'm done with such opportunistic divisive memes Armstead Apr 2016 #16
I don't think Bernie's economic message *doesn't* resonate forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #18
A grain of truth but in this context it's horse puckey Armstead Apr 2016 #41
Racism against white people in USA? sigh Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #26
He didn't "blame poor people for not voting" -- he blamed GOP politices that makes it difficult senz Apr 2016 #15
Exactly tonyt53 Apr 2016 #19
Poor people voted, just not for him. Voters don't count when they don't vote for Mr. Sanders. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #24
Yep! And what makes him thing that the poor, many POCs among them, would vote for him . . . brush Apr 2016 #53
America's oldest black newspaper endorsed Bernie & Sestak tblue Apr 2016 #3
Wow, thank you. senz Apr 2016 #17
And BLM protested Hillary on Friday. Unicorn Apr 2016 #20
Berniebros call the "low information voters". It's disgusting and racist. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #5
Actually it came from Hillary supporters AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #7
When she loses the general election they will know exactly how important their vote was AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #6
And THERE it is, I have been predicting for a while now these type of Bernie supporters Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #27
If she loses, yes AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #29
I just wish more of your buddies would admit they are going to blame anything that Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #31
If she loses whose fault is it? AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #32
Right here, Bernie supporter says BLACK PEOPLE ARE TO BLAME if the GOP takes WH. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #33
If she loses it is the fault of those who insisted on forcing her upon the Democratic electorate AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #34
Bernie supporter OPENLY stating BLAME BLACKS IF DEMOCRATS LOSE!!! Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #35
And when that time comes AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #36
Bernie supporter SAYS YES BLAME BLACK PEOPLE Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #37
Actually you are the one who keeps saying it AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #38
Get real please, who in the repug party is going to beat her? brush Apr 2016 #58
Why do people continue to proliferate Svafa Apr 2016 #8
Ugh! Another 'all Democrats in the South are black' posts. Dawgs Apr 2016 #9
That's not what it said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #60
Hillary can't even touch Bernie's record on civil rights for People of Color. senz Apr 2016 #12
But they, black people, just dont know this, right and if they did.... Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #28
Don't try to put words and attitudes in my mouth. senz Apr 2016 #42
I put nothing anywhere. You are the one "lecturing" about this, not me. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #43
Bullshit. I'm talking about the MSM blackout on Bernie Sanders. senz Apr 2016 #46
Lie? So if a black person tells you it is the age old lecturing, and they have Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #48
If anyone of any color thinks criticism of the MSM is "lecturing," senz Apr 2016 #54
You must be good a dodge ball. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #55
This message was self-deleted by its author snowy owl Apr 2016 #62
Did anyone ever say they didn't? nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #14
Their actions (and non-actions) and excuse-making (and blaming and dismissiveness) ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #22
She used the exact words in 2008 Armstead Apr 2016 #45
"Clinton cited an Associated Press article" NurseJackie Apr 2016 #59
I don't really care much WHY anyone votes for Hillary. Maedhros Apr 2016 #21
Will you carry any responsiibility for the harm done by a GOP White House if that Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #30
We're afraid of the harm another Clinton White House would do. senz Apr 2016 #49
Ahh, I see. So if she is the nominee, by not participating (wait, are you gonna vote GOP?) Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #51
No, we're going to try to head off the coronation before the nomination. senz Apr 2016 #56
yes, black votes matter oldandhappy Apr 2016 #23
Sanders is seeing the consequences of not doing better with the African American vote. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #25
Sanders is seeing the result of an MSM blackout. senz Apr 2016 #52
Hills and bills spent a long time pandering to AA,decades,their foundation wendylaroux Apr 2016 #61
1000s of people cheering his name could not deter Bernie from meeting with friends/family of Dontay. jillan Apr 2016 #39
The whole thing boggles my mind, frankly. There is a candidate right in front of you silvershadow Apr 2016 #40
And it's time that people remembered that KingFlorez Apr 2016 #44
Okay Armstead Apr 2016 #47
And in the present day, your candidate Sanders is doomed because he got crushed by black voters KingFlorez Apr 2016 #50
Bernie not good at kissing ass,then turning around and kicking the same ass. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #57

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
2. Unless Sanders can broaden the appeal of his message, there is no movement ...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:15 PM
Apr 2016

Unfortunately, Sanders' campaign and Trump's campaign are both fueled by the same impulse - white angst.

Sanders' messages of economic insecurity and income inequality ring hollow to minorities because they've always been insecure and unequal.

He has failed spectacularly in communicating to those communities.

Blaming poor people for not voting and discounting the Southern vote does his legacy no favors.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
11. Yeah, it was so "not true" your reply was positively overflowing with the reasons.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:30 PM
Apr 2016

Oh, right, that's the exact opposite of what happened.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
10. White angst -- No, its human concern and aspiration
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:26 PM
Apr 2016

But that doesn't fit the Clinton marketing and branding narrative, so go ahead and spread that moronic and racist stereotype.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
13. But, Sanders' message doesn't resonate in minority communities ...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:40 PM
Apr 2016

... are white dudes the only people who possess "human concern and aspiration"?

No, it's his economic message that's appealing to them and with some justification.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
18. I don't think Bernie's economic message *doesn't* resonate
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

The problem is that there's a perception that Bernie hasn't really walked the social justice walk up in Vermont. If only the Bernie campaign had really understood what John Lewis meant when he said "I never saw him" instead of getting defensive the way white progressives ALWAYS do.

Whenever you challenge white progressives on race, oftentimes many of them get defensive as FUCK, and you often see the dog-whistles come out because for them black people are just a means of virtue-signaling.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
41. A grain of truth but in this context it's horse puckey
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:16 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie's commitment to social justice -- including racial justice -- does not need defending. He has not had as high a profile as Clinton overall, within any community.

As for the rest of this post, the grain of truth is "Whenever you challenge white progressives on race, oftentimes many of them get defensive...." Okay mea culpa.

The bull puckey is that we are talking about a primary election, and it is not a race between a civil rights champion and a racist. It is between two white candidates, who have both been committed to those issues.

The difference is that one campaign decided to use race as a marketing tool, rather than compete on the other issues where there really is a difference between them.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
15. He didn't "blame poor people for not voting" -- he blamed GOP politices that makes it difficult
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:42 PM
Apr 2016

if not impossible, for poor people to vote.

Bernie cares a thousand times more about PoC than Hillary. He always has and always will.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
19. Exactly
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:50 PM
Apr 2016

You nailed it! But the sad thing is that Bernie-ites have zero comprehension about what you are talking about.

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
24. Poor people voted, just not for him. Voters don't count when they don't vote for Mr. Sanders.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:37 PM
Apr 2016

He has bern-'splained that pretty clearly.

brush

(53,794 posts)
53. Yep! And what makes him thing that the poor, many POCs among them, would vote for him . . .
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

unlike most better off POCS?

tblue

(16,350 posts)
3. America's oldest black newspaper endorsed Bernie & Sestak
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

Nation's oldest black newspaper rejected establishment candidates Hillary & McGinty & endorsed Bernie Sanders & Joe Sestak!

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2016/04/nations-oldest-black-newspaper-comes.html?m=1#sthash.UjFsopME.uxfs

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
7. Actually it came from Hillary supporters
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:22 PM
Apr 2016

They were saying for a month how 'Black voters in SC don't know him'

But don't let that stop your David Brock talking point.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
27. And THERE it is, I have been predicting for a while now these type of Bernie supporters
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:48 PM
Apr 2016

plan on blaming black people.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
31. I just wish more of your buddies would admit they are going to blame anything that
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:52 PM
Apr 2016

goes wrong on black people.


 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
32. If she loses whose fault is it?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:54 PM
Apr 2016

Who insisted she be the one? Who was her 'firewall'? Those are the people who will be at fault.

Ironically those who forced her on us will be the ones who suffer the most when she loses

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
34. If she loses it is the fault of those who insisted on forcing her upon the Democratic electorate
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:56 PM
Apr 2016

It's that simple. That's how life works.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
36. And when that time comes
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:58 PM
Apr 2016

I will have zero sympathy for those who insisted on forcing her upon us.

Yourself included.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
38. Actually you are the one who keeps saying it
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:00 PM
Apr 2016

Whose fault will it be when she loses and we have a Republican president? Yours or mine?

brush

(53,794 posts)
58. Get real please, who in the repug party is going to beat her?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:38 PM
Apr 2016

Kasich and Cruz are both ganging up on Trump now. It's all over the news today.

No one in that party, which will be in tatters after their convention where they'll try to steal the nomination from Trump, will be able to win an election for dog catcher.

Hillary on the other hand, will get most non-die hard left-leaning and moderate independents, plus the huge Obama coalition of African Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Amerians, women, gays, progressive whites and Native Americans that elected Obama twice.

The repugs, lead by Trump, have alienated all of the above with threats of exportation, wall building and insults on top of insults.

Yeah, one of those guys is going to win. R-i-i-i-i-g-h-t.

Svafa

(594 posts)
8. Why do people continue to proliferate
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:23 PM
Apr 2016

the myth that the only people who support Sanders are young, white men? Such talk completely discounts his supporters who are women and/or POC. It's insulting, and we aren't going to forget it when it comes time for you to court our votes in November.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
12. Hillary can't even touch Bernie's record on civil rights for People of Color.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie has fought for PoC his entire life. He does not have a racist bone in his body. He is outraged by the treatment that PoC have received in this country.

Hillary is a corporatist, a friend of the wealthiest interests in America and the world. The Mainstream Media is owned and run by the same wealthy interests. The MSM promoted Hillary and put a blackout on Bernie. So Southern AAs, especially middle-aged and older, never had a chance to get to know who this "old white man from Vermont' really is. You can't vote wisely without full information.

Interestingly, millennial AAs (like all millennials) trend higher toward Bernie because their use of social media bypasses the MSM.

Media truly matters.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
28. But they, black people, just dont know this, right and if they did....
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:49 PM
Apr 2016

It is amazing you are still (you being a collective) posting this nonsense.

This silliness, that if ONLY they knew him.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
42. Don't try to put words and attitudes in my mouth.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

Do you think people who get all their new from the MSM know much about Bernie Sanders?

Skin color doesn't matter when it comes to information.

Just because you KNOW how bad your candidate is, don't be trying to make her opponents mean things they don't mean.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
43. I put nothing anywhere. You are the one "lecturing" about this, not me.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

I am the type of Bernie voter who doesnt think what you are doing is productive.

did you see the other person here who has already decided it is the blacks fault if GOP wins?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
46. Bullshit. I'm talking about the MSM blackout on Bernie Sanders.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:24 PM
Apr 2016

"Lecturing" is another Hill fan lie. We're getting sick of them.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
48. Lie? So if a black person tells you it is the age old lecturing, and they have
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:26 PM
Apr 2016

here and elsewhere, are they confused again?

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
54. If anyone of any color thinks criticism of the MSM is "lecturing,"
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:30 PM
Apr 2016

they either own the MSM or they're a highly paid employee thereof.

Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #55)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
22. Their actions (and non-actions) and excuse-making (and blaming and dismissiveness) ...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:28 PM
Apr 2016

... have made it very clear what their views are and what their priorities are (and aren't). We aren't stupid. How much more do you need? There are many other ways that politicians get across their message without being dumb enough to say the "exact words".

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
45. She used the exact words in 2008
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:24 PM
Apr 2016

“I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article “that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
21. I don't really care much WHY anyone votes for Hillary.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:26 PM
Apr 2016

Those who do are voting for a person who colluded with the Bush Administration to wage an illegal war of aggression, and then tried her own hand at waging war based on lies when she orchestrated the Libya strikes.

Doesn't matter where you live: you condone those things, I have no respect for your decision.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
30. Will you carry any responsiibility for the harm done by a GOP White House if that
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 04:51 PM
Apr 2016

happens?

Or will you blame it on those who voted for Hillary?

The "if" is if they win the WH, NOT if they will do harm. They will do plenty of harm.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
49. We're afraid of the harm another Clinton White House would do.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:26 PM
Apr 2016

The last one did a lot of harm to all but the richest Americans.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
51. Ahh, I see. So if she is the nominee, by not participating (wait, are you gonna vote GOP?)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

but if you dont participate that way you can take all the credit if something good happens and none of the blame for the bad.

You see as an adult, I cant take that easy way out.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
56. No, we're going to try to head off the coronation before the nomination.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:34 PM
Apr 2016

Your talking points are worn out and boring.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
52. Sanders is seeing the result of an MSM blackout.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

Hill supporters are boasting about those results. Because that's who they are.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
61. Hills and bills spent a long time pandering to AA,decades,their foundation
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:47 PM
Apr 2016

gives money to black churches.The preachers in these churches tell their congregation how to vote,the clintons are "our friends".

just like the republican religious leaders tell their people who to vote for.

All the Clintons ever wanted was these peoples votes.All they ever did was hurt AA.

Many blacks did see the good in Bernie,in later voting states that is. the early ones never even

heard of him from the media blackout. Good job debby and her dnc.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
39. 1000s of people cheering his name could not deter Bernie from meeting with friends/family of Dontay.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:03 PM
Apr 2016


Obviously these people reached out to Bernie because they believe in him.

After constantly seeing Hillary & Bill throw out BLM protesters, and seeing videos like this...

I am getting really sick of Bernie being called a racist.
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
40. The whole thing boggles my mind, frankly. There is a candidate right in front of you
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:09 PM
Apr 2016

who will do what needs to be done in this country. I humbly ask you take as long a look at him as you need to, but then please choose him!

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
44. And it's time that people remembered that
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

No Democrat is going to win a primary without the black vote and they certainly will not win the general election without the black vote.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
47. Okay
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

“I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article “that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
50. And in the present day, your candidate Sanders is doomed because he got crushed by black voters
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

They don't like Sanders, so he lost. Game over.

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