2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Clinton becomes nominee, "she is going to have to make the case to the American people"
WASHINGTON Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said Sunday he'll do everything he can to stop a right-wing Republican president in November. But he stopped short of saying he would enthusiastically support Hillary Clinton if she's the Democratic nominee.
"That is totally dependent on what the Clinton platform is and how she responds to the needs of millions of Americans who are sick and tired of establishment politics and establishment economics," Sanders told ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos.
"If Secretary Clinton is the nominee, she is going to have to make the case to the American people, not just to my supporters, but all Americans, that she is prepared to stand up to the billionaire class, she is prepared to fight for health care for all Americans, that she is prepared to pass paid family and medical leave, make sure that college is affordable for the young people in this country," he said.
Sanders' coolness comes as Clinton has increasingly called on Sanders supporters to unify behind her. In a town hall forum on Good Morning America last week, she reminded Democrats that she endorsed then-Sen. Barack Obama in 2008 after he became the presumptive nominee, and rallied the party around him. "So I'm hoping that the same thing will happen this time," she said.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)Bernie would know that the President doesn't pass laws.
insta8er
(960 posts)You'd certainly think so!
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)so he can issue an executive law allowing paid family and medical leave in federal agencies.
But he can't issue an executive order requiring companies or states to provide paid family and medical leave
thats the limit on executive orders.
BTW, don't federal agencies already have paid family and medical leave?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And they can use the bully pulpit and a host of other things.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)if it were so, why wouldn't President Obama have been able to get more of his agenda accomplished?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)You must support Hillary, you just repeated her slogan...
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)because its the Constitution which sets up the separation of powers.
But you keep blaming Clinton: I'm sure it makes you feel better.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Then get back to us....
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)No doubt LBJ used wile to get it accomplished but it was not executive orders.
I don't deny the existence of a bully pulpit.
But Congress was actually somewhat more functional 50 years ago.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Yes he did.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)you might have noticed Obama's tried the same thing
So how's it working in this century?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)https://vimeo.com/148092658
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)but the majority of american people were for it.
I can't explain why the majority of people were for it...but there is no doubt that they were
What I really found was incredible was that people in little towns were afraid.
The terrorists were looking for big targets not tiny towns...but the tiny towns were willing to give up our freedoms.
I can't fault the politicians for following the will of the people.
The problem is that people are too easy to lead through fear and anger and false flattery.
Its one of the reasons I'm so perturbed by the infighting here on DU.
Infighting just supports the PTB.
But as I've said before I'm far left
Aerows
(39,961 posts)considering that her server sat out there for months unsecured and unencrypted.
There is poor judgment, as many Darwin award winners discovered, and then there is warehousing state secrets unencrypted on the internet level of poor judgment.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)Bernie is being as generous as he possibly can.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,776 posts)almost a week after Obama had amassed enough delegates and superdelegates to win the nomination (June 1).
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)That's exactly why I voted for him, too.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)is vexed because she can't pivot to the right as long as Bernie is in the running. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together believes she isn't going to go right if she's the nominee.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)But, it will be her case to make. The loser doesn't get to decide the winner's platform. Hillary didn't do it to Obama in 2008 and she sure as hell is not going to bow down to Sanders. He seems to be trying to blackmail the DNC and Hillary to adopt his platform or else he won't support her.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)His actual words were:
And yes, it is her case to make, just as it is the right of every voter to accept or reject her case.
He's not trying to "decide the winner's platform."
He was asked if he would support Clinton as the nominee.
And what he responded with, quite simply, is his assertion that as long as certain elements are present in (or missing from) her platform, his support...today, on April 25, 2016...is not set in stone.
I see that as being entirely reasonable. Because if I don't see evidence that her priorities aren't in some form of alignment with mine, she's not getting my support, either.
I don't expect her to receive my list of demands and promise to meet every one of them. That's ridiculous. But as of right now, her overall track record and alliances are not what I'm looking for in a candidate. And whatever you may think of Sanders (and it is your right to think whatever you want to think, I have zero interest in trying to sway you), I believe he feels a responsibility to his supporters, and unless he sees something he can believe in, he's not going to encourage them to support her, either.
This is not about being a "team player"...there's too much at stake.
I agree with Sanders.
She's going to have to earn my vote.
Or not.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)But he stopped short of saying he would enthusiastically support Hillary Clinton if she's the Democratic nominee.
"That is totally dependent on what the Clinton platform is and how she responds to the needs of millions of Americans who are sick and tired of establishment politics and establishment economics,"
Hillary did not try to twist Obama's arm in exchange for her support.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)in a veiled threat that anything can happen in the Primary.
And didn't concede that he had secured the nomination for a week or two.
And People United Means Action.
This probably isn't the road you want to go down.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)At this point, I don't "enthusiastically support" her either.
I don't think she'd have to "twist Bernie's arm" either.
What she said on June 7, 2008 was:
She urged the cheering crowd to support Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, in his bid for the White House, saying she and supporters should "take our energy, our passion and our strength and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama ... I ask all of you to join me in working as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me."
During her speech, Clinton encouraged party unity, acknowledging that the fight has been hard, but saying "the Democratic Party is a family, and now it's time to restore the ties that bind us together."
"To all those who voted for me, my commitment to you is unyielding. You have inspired and touched me. You have humbled me with your commitment," she said. "Eighteen million of you from all walks of life -- women, and men, young and old, Latino and Asian, African-American and Caucasian, rich and poor, middle-class, gay and straight ... you have stood with me," she said.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/07/clinton.unity/index.html?eref=rss_us
So, three things with that.
1). This happened on June 7 (as others have pointed out), not April 25th.
2). It's support, granted...but "enthusiastic" support for Barack Obama, specifically? I'm not seeing it.
3). "I, I, me, me, me, my, me, me, me." It really is more about Hillary and less about Barack. And I'm not trying to be a smartass here, I really can't see the "enthusiasm." Saying "the Democratic Party is a family, and now it's time to restore the ties that bind us together" is about the Democratic Party, not about Barack Obama.
However you define Sanders "enthusiastically supporting" Clinton...if and when he's called upon to do so...I feel pretty confident he will match or exceed the "enthusiasm" Shown on June 7, 2008.
We probably aren't going to agree on this, and that is OK. I respect your viewpoint as much as I respect my own.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Do you mean like the loyalty oaths that your camp has doggedly demanded for months?
That sort of thing?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)compared to any of the other candidates.
libodem
(19,288 posts)We elected her. And be pacified that she is a Democrat.
Ok.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)She is not owed anyone's support and Bernie couldn't deliver it even if he wanted to.