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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:02 PM Apr 2016

If Clinton becomes nominee, "she is going to have to make the case to the American people"

http://www.wcnc.com/news/nation-now/will-sanders-support-clinton-in-november-that-depends-on-her-he-says/151822666

WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said Sunday he'll do everything he can to stop a right-wing Republican president in November. But he stopped short of saying he would enthusiastically support Hillary Clinton if she's the Democratic nominee.

"That is totally dependent on what the Clinton platform is and how she responds to the needs of millions of Americans who are sick and tired of establishment politics and establishment economics," Sanders told ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos.

"If Secretary Clinton is the nominee, she is going to have to make the case to the American people, not just to my supporters, but all Americans, that she is prepared to stand up to the billionaire class, she is prepared to fight for health care for all Americans, that she is prepared to pass paid family and medical leave, make sure that college is affordable for the young people in this country," he said.

Sanders' coolness comes as Clinton has increasingly called on Sanders supporters to unify behind her. In a town hall forum on Good Morning America last week, she reminded Democrats that she endorsed then-Sen. Barack Obama in 2008 after he became the presumptive nominee, and rallied the party around him. "So I'm hoping that the same thing will happen this time," she said.
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If Clinton becomes nominee, "she is going to have to make the case to the American people" (Original Post) Miles Archer Apr 2016 OP
You would think that after being in congress for a quarter of a century Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #1
No the president just sings them into law. But you knew that right? insta8er Apr 2016 #4
:) Lucinda Apr 2016 #8
No, they issue executive orders AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #10
yes, they can issue executive orders for agencies under their direct control Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #13
Yes they can AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #14
no they can't pass executive orders beyond their natural span of authority Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #15
"No They Can't" AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #16
apparently the Constitution doesn't mean a lot to you Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #17
Look up LBJ and the means and methods he used to get the civil rights and welfare bills passed AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #18
Yes, Congress enacted the laws Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #19
He did it by using the bully pulpit AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #20
no doubt he used the bully pulpit Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #22
Nor to Clinton JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #31
it pissed me off too Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #33
Clearly she is an expert on encryption and technology Aerows Apr 2016 #36
Then let's just elect Spongebob Squarepants and forget this election stuff Armstead Apr 2016 #12
Hopefully she can explain the Goldman Transcripts Cruz will release FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #2
She can say anything - and does - but we've seen her actions for decades... polichick Apr 2016 #3
She didn't endorse Obama until the convention on June 7, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #5
We voted for Obama for many reasons, one, he was not Hillary...n/t monmouth4 Apr 2016 #6
.that^ X100 840high Apr 2016 #7
+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #11
What a coincidence Aerows Apr 2016 #25
If she is the nominee, her weathervane will turn hard right and stay there AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #9
Camp Weathervane Aerows Apr 2016 #26
Of course she will make her case to the American people. Beacool Apr 2016 #21
Wait a second. Miles Archer Apr 2016 #23
He seems to have preconditions for his support Beacool Apr 2016 #24
No, she just brought up the assassination of Kennedy Aerows Apr 2016 #28
Well, I don't blame him Miles Archer Apr 2016 #32
Excuse me. Did you say blackmail? Aerows Apr 2016 #27
I'd be happy with a third Obama term, and a Hillary presidency would be the closest to that, Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #29
Sure we'll pretend libodem Apr 2016 #30
She knows that. She is awfully confident for some reason. silvershadow Apr 2016 #34
Good for him. ibegurpard Apr 2016 #35

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
1. You would think that after being in congress for a quarter of a century
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:05 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie would know that the President doesn't pass laws.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
13. yes, they can issue executive orders for agencies under their direct control
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:33 PM
Apr 2016

so he can issue an executive law allowing paid family and medical leave in federal agencies.
But he can't issue an executive order requiring companies or states to provide paid family and medical leave

thats the limit on executive orders.

BTW, don't federal agencies already have paid family and medical leave?

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
15. no they can't pass executive orders beyond their natural span of authority
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:38 PM
Apr 2016

if it were so, why wouldn't President Obama have been able to get more of his agenda accomplished?

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
17. apparently the Constitution doesn't mean a lot to you
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:46 PM
Apr 2016

because its the Constitution which sets up the separation of powers.

But you keep blaming Clinton: I'm sure it makes you feel better.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
18. Look up LBJ and the means and methods he used to get the civil rights and welfare bills passed
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:47 PM
Apr 2016

Then get back to us....

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
19. Yes, Congress enacted the laws
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:52 PM
Apr 2016

No doubt LBJ used wile to get it accomplished but it was not executive orders.
I don't deny the existence of a bully pulpit.
But Congress was actually somewhat more functional 50 years ago.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
22. no doubt he used the bully pulpit
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:04 PM
Apr 2016

you might have noticed Obama's tried the same thing
So how's it working in this century?

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
31. Nor to Clinton
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:31 PM
Apr 2016
"You’re going to hear all of the usual complaints, you know, freedom of speech, et cetera. But if we truly are in a war against terrorism and we are truly looking for ways to shut off their funding, shut off the flow of foreign fighters, then we’ve got to shut off their means of communicating. It’s more complicated with some of what they do on encrypted apps, and I’m well aware of that, and that requires even more thinking about how to do it."


https://vimeo.com/148092658

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
33. it pissed me off too
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

but the majority of american people were for it.
I can't explain why the majority of people were for it...but there is no doubt that they were

What I really found was incredible was that people in little towns were afraid.
The terrorists were looking for big targets not tiny towns...but the tiny towns were willing to give up our freedoms.

I can't fault the politicians for following the will of the people.
The problem is that people are too easy to lead through fear and anger and false flattery.

Its one of the reasons I'm so perturbed by the infighting here on DU.
Infighting just supports the PTB.

But as I've said before I'm far left

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
36. Clearly she is an expert on encryption and technology
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:22 AM
Apr 2016

considering that her server sat out there for months unsecured and unencrypted.



There is poor judgment, as many Darwin award winners discovered, and then there is warehousing state secrets unencrypted on the internet level of poor judgment.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
3. She can say anything - and does - but we've seen her actions for decades...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:07 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie is being as generous as he possibly can.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,776 posts)
5. She didn't endorse Obama until the convention on June 7,
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

almost a week after Obama had amassed enough delegates and superdelegates to win the nomination (June 1).

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
26. Camp Weathervane
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:13 PM
Apr 2016

is vexed because she can't pivot to the right as long as Bernie is in the running. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together believes she isn't going to go right if she's the nominee.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
21. Of course she will make her case to the American people.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

But, it will be her case to make. The loser doesn't get to decide the winner's platform. Hillary didn't do it to Obama in 2008 and she sure as hell is not going to bow down to Sanders. He seems to be trying to blackmail the DNC and Hillary to adopt his platform or else he won't support her.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
23. Wait a second.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:59 PM
Apr 2016

His actual words were:

"If Secretary Clinton is the nominee, she is going to have to make the case to the American people, not just to my supporters, but all Americans..."


And yes, it is her case to make, just as it is the right of every voter to accept or reject her case.

He's not trying to "decide the winner's platform."

He was asked if he would support Clinton as the nominee.

And what he responded with, quite simply, is his assertion that as long as certain elements are present in (or missing from) her platform, his support...today, on April 25, 2016...is not set in stone.

I see that as being entirely reasonable. Because if I don't see evidence that her priorities aren't in some form of alignment with mine, she's not getting my support, either.

I don't expect her to receive my list of demands and promise to meet every one of them. That's ridiculous. But as of right now, her overall track record and alliances are not what I'm looking for in a candidate. And whatever you may think of Sanders (and it is your right to think whatever you want to think, I have zero interest in trying to sway you), I believe he feels a responsibility to his supporters, and unless he sees something he can believe in, he's not going to encourage them to support her, either.

This is not about being a "team player"...there's too much at stake.

I agree with Sanders.

She's going to have to earn my vote.

Or not.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
24. He seems to have preconditions for his support
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:08 PM
Apr 2016

But he stopped short of saying he would enthusiastically support Hillary Clinton if she's the Democratic nominee.

"That is totally dependent on what the Clinton platform is and how she responds to the needs of millions of Americans who are sick and tired of establishment politics and establishment economics,"

Hillary did not try to twist Obama's arm in exchange for her support.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
28. No, she just brought up the assassination of Kennedy
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:17 PM
Apr 2016

in a veiled threat that anything can happen in the Primary.

And didn't concede that he had secured the nomination for a week or two.

And People United Means Action.

This probably isn't the road you want to go down.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
32. Well, I don't blame him
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:32 PM
Apr 2016

At this point, I don't "enthusiastically support" her either.

I don't think she'd have to "twist Bernie's arm" either.

What she said on June 7, 2008 was:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton formally ended her presidential campaign Saturday, saying to a packed house of thousands of supporters, "I will continue to stand strong with you every time, every place and every way that I can."

She urged the cheering crowd to support Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, in his bid for the White House, saying she and supporters should "take our energy, our passion and our strength and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama ... I ask all of you to join me in working as hard for Barack Obama as you have for me."

During her speech, Clinton encouraged party unity, acknowledging that the fight has been hard, but saying "the Democratic Party is a family, and now it's time to restore the ties that bind us together."

"To all those who voted for me, my commitment to you is unyielding. You have inspired and touched me. You have humbled me with your commitment," she said. "Eighteen million of you from all walks of life -- women, and men, young and old, Latino and Asian, African-American and Caucasian, rich and poor, middle-class, gay and straight ... you have stood with me," she said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/07/clinton.unity/index.html?eref=rss_us


So, three things with that.

1). This happened on June 7 (as others have pointed out), not April 25th.

2). It's support, granted...but "enthusiastic" support for Barack Obama, specifically? I'm not seeing it.

3). "I, I, me, me, me, my, me, me, me." It really is more about Hillary and less about Barack. And I'm not trying to be a smartass here, I really can't see the "enthusiasm." Saying "the Democratic Party is a family, and now it's time to restore the ties that bind us together" is about the Democratic Party, not about Barack Obama.

However you define Sanders "enthusiastically supporting" Clinton...if and when he's called upon to do so...I feel pretty confident he will match or exceed the "enthusiasm" Shown on June 7, 2008.

We probably aren't going to agree on this, and that is OK. I respect your viewpoint as much as I respect my own.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
27. Excuse me. Did you say blackmail?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:15 PM
Apr 2016

Do you mean like the loyalty oaths that your camp has doggedly demanded for months?

That sort of thing?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
29. I'd be happy with a third Obama term, and a Hillary presidency would be the closest to that,
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:19 PM
Apr 2016

compared to any of the other candidates.

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