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Clock is ticking Bernie supporters (Original Post) realmirage Apr 2016 OP
are we grave dancing or just eatin popcorn dlwickham Apr 2016 #1
Those who have gone off the cliff realmirage Apr 2016 #2
Hillary is our gal Rass Apr 2016 #78
Could you be any more poorly informed? I don't think so. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #88
Mmmm talking points taste good! realmirage Apr 2016 #93
Empty calories. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #144
+10 840high Apr 2016 #103
this is about issues, not celebrities GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #3
Didn't realize Clooney was on the ballot? realmirage Apr 2016 #6
I want to be wrong, I really do... GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #13
It's about beating republicans realmirage Apr 2016 #15
so Social Security is fine, healthcare system perfect and affordable,... ? GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #22
It's about realizing the primary realmirage Apr 2016 #25
So California doesn't get to vote, PA, CT, all of those GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #29
The math realmirage Apr 2016 #33
are you not allowed to say an issue? GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #41
Someone with 43 posts tells us the debate has raged for months AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #67
And yet another poster who though only here artislife Apr 2016 #66
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #95
that is a sexist attack and dispicable. Unicorn Apr 2016 #132
Who's trying to stop California from voting? griffi94 Apr 2016 #45
If they can vote there will be no problem. Unicorn Apr 2016 #142
If it's over stop trying to shut him down. You people make no sense. Your fearful desperation Ed Suspicious Apr 2016 #120
Until the Bernie or Bust/Hillary's suddenly the devil noise machine stops realmirage Apr 2016 #123
Not to them, in the Kardeshian age it is about fandom, money and the status quo..that they are the insta8er Apr 2016 #50
Off to ignore you go, little puppet Marrah_G Apr 2016 #4
You're a good little soldier. Broward Apr 2016 #5
On the winning side realmirage Apr 2016 #8
Are you a one percenter? If not, you're not winning anything. Broward Apr 2016 #16
Get ready for war Depaysement Apr 2016 #65
Many mercenaries are. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #10
Good one? realmirage Apr 2016 #12
Yep, nt. Broward Apr 2016 #18
So are you, lockstep with the corporate line...why do you want to call yourself a democrat anyway? insta8er Apr 2016 #53
Useful idiots abound. Broward Apr 2016 #56
Constructive Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #7
Just like the zillion anti Hillary posts in GDP? realmirage Apr 2016 #9
Or the Zillion Anti Bernie post. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #19
Count them realmirage Apr 2016 #21
Why. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #24
You might not like the results realmirage Apr 2016 #27
is that your game then? Ellipsis Apr 2016 #28
I wonder. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #47
The only one who apparently cares about post count is you. I don't give a shit realmirage Apr 2016 #52
l fuckin' care and it IS flamebait! Ellipsis Apr 2016 #85
I have counted your days. nt artislife Apr 2016 #68
Murder? realmirage Apr 2016 #69
The number of days you have belonged to this site artislife Apr 2016 #72
I believe your theory is correct. Autumn Apr 2016 #75
BUT MOMMY, THEY DID IT FIRST!!! jack_krass Apr 2016 #139
Delegate count and trends.... HumanityExperiment Apr 2016 #11
Absolutely. realmirage Apr 2016 #14
Just like Obama in 2008. With the same result. hack89 Apr 2016 #35
... Ellipsis Apr 2016 #17
Yes, tomorrow Hillary will be officially the 2016 Democratic Oarty's presumptive nominee. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #20
Tick-tock! Not much time left! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #23
My primary is in June. I will have my vote. SalviaBlue Apr 2016 #26
So is mine and mimi85 Apr 2016 #32
Mine, too Rob H. Apr 2016 #101
Yea I know... nc4bo Apr 2016 #30
Why donate to a candidate who has been eliminated? realmirage Apr 2016 #34
Bernie has NOT been eliminated Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #42
Your concern... tonedevil Apr 2016 #74
Me too! Thanks for kicking this. Chipping in another $27 riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #40
UBS Octafish Apr 2016 #31
Still fighting the primary war which is long over I see... realmirage Apr 2016 #39
Truth doesn't change. Octafish Apr 2016 #44
So you've convinced yourself, anyway. realmirage Apr 2016 #46
No. I ask people to show where I'm wrong. Like with UBS or AIG or the S&Ls. Octafish Apr 2016 #71
Unpleasant little person. redwitch Apr 2016 #70
I am absolutely delighted Aerows Apr 2016 #36
Following the democratic party these days, she will go far rightward IMO. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #38
Of course she will. Aerows Apr 2016 #54
Give her time. She's been 840high Apr 2016 #104
So sad about the democratic party of today! Unrecognizable! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #37
The clock is ticking for Hillary to convince Bernie's base she is worthy of their support. bluedigger Apr 2016 #43
Who are you kidding, the off-the-cliffers will never support her anyway. realmirage Apr 2016 #49
That's a pretty dismissive view of Bernie's supporters. bluedigger Apr 2016 #58
A vote for Bernie is a vote for his agenda. pat_k Apr 2016 #48
Hillary's climate change proposals are too little, too late riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #51
Now she's responsible for the end of the world realmirage Apr 2016 #55
Ah, another low information Hillary supporter @ climate change riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #59
Don't cry to us when you elect trump. And yes I will be saddened if my onecaliberal Apr 2016 #57
Defeatism isn't healthy realmirage Apr 2016 #62
Do you need cheese to go with your whine? Call someone who cares. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #63
How can this be anything but a shit stirring exercise? artislife Apr 2016 #60
Sorry, Hillary has already lost. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #61
Calm down, you sound extremely stressed realmirage Apr 2016 #64
I am not. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #73
Ask me again after the Convention. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #76
Tomorrow? nolawarlock Apr 2016 #77
What cliff? Bernie has always been a long shot. He's done an amazing job Live and Learn Apr 2016 #79
and surely you thought all this back when Bernie was never heard of realmirage Apr 2016 #116
I have known of Bernie for a long time and was elated when he agreed to run. Live and Learn Apr 2016 #143
times ticking on your temp job here too,brocktool. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #80
Whee! +10 840high Apr 2016 #106
programming code realmirage Apr 2016 #119
You are voting for a multimillionaire who loves wars Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #81
They should be on the front line in the next foreign country she invades onecaliberal Apr 2016 #82
It's still early, but The republican nominee will do an excellent job of galvanizing dubyadiprecession Apr 2016 #83
I agree realmirage Apr 2016 #100
I never thought he could win. But I am glad he has tried. Vattel Apr 2016 #84
Lol talking points are tasty snacks realmirage Apr 2016 #102
Her horrible record on issues of military issues is not a talking point. Vattel Apr 2016 #105
If you care about the truth as you insinuate that you do realmirage Apr 2016 #108
I would say to fuck off, but don't want to break any rules. polichick Apr 2016 #86
Those who are Democrats say no. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #87
Thanks, n00b. frylock Apr 2016 #89
Over there in the land of Oz ... nolawarlock Apr 2016 #90
Divisive arrogance. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #91
Precious. Just precious and "Bless your heart". 7wo7rees Apr 2016 #92
Have you realmirage Apr 2016 #94
Rude. Nothing else to say. Just rude. nt 7wo7rees Apr 2016 #96
I'm a Hillary supporter but this kind of thread achieves nothing (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #97
Satisfaction. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #122
He's been done for a while now. Like Rubio who was going to drive around America in his pickup truck Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #98
sounds like a winning ticket realmirage Apr 2016 #99
Drop out Bernie! Meteor Man Apr 2016 #107
Don't worry, when she clinches, it will trigger the four horsemen realmirage Apr 2016 #111
Forget it. k8conant Apr 2016 #109
When you put your dollar under the pillow for the indictment fairy, realmirage Apr 2016 #112
You'd better be hoping for that indictment-erasing fairy if you think that. k8conant Apr 2016 #114
the credible experts have all explained that there's no case against her realmirage Apr 2016 #128
So the FBI isn't credible? k8conant Apr 2016 #129
It's Hillary supporters going off the cliff with someone under FBI investigation jfern Apr 2016 #110
Indictment fairy, surely you can make my guy win realmirage Apr 2016 #113
So the FBI isn't credible? k8conant Apr 2016 #115
See the dictionary for the difference in the following terms - investigation, and indictment realmirage Apr 2016 #130
Credible = believable k8conant Apr 2016 #137
She wouldn't be under investigation if it was nothing worth prosecuting jfern Apr 2016 #117
The Bernie supporters have to decide if they want to quit the Dem Party or whatever. You can't kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #118
I dare you to go to GDP right now and post that realmirage Apr 2016 #124
F DJ13 Apr 2016 #121
Please indictment fairy, overturn the will of the people realmirage Apr 2016 #126
The will of the people DJ13 Apr 2016 #138
I think you missed the memo. Many are shifting their support right out of the Dem party. Unicorn Apr 2016 #125
Sounds like it could be a viable party realmirage Apr 2016 #127
You really missed the memo. And it's people like you that are fracturing the Unicorn Apr 2016 #131
Yep, not taking my ball and going home, taking it on the road for Bernie and beyond riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #135
+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #136
For less than one-100th of the effort needed to create a viable "new" national party ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #140
I do hope you get paid well nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #133
Newbie sock puppet. Buddyblazon Apr 2016 #134
haha internet guy lays down "the law" whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #141
 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
2. Those who have gone off the cliff
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:07 PM
Apr 2016

Are the only ones who will be overly upset. Reasonable people already know Hillary has always been a great candidate. Just as I would have been had Bernie won.

 

Rass

(112 posts)
78. Hillary is our gal
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:11 PM
Apr 2016

More policies to lock up minorities. More wars that need no justification. Let's send all of our jobs overseas. Who cares about universal health care or a free college system? Rah Rah Hillary!

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
6. Didn't realize Clooney was on the ballot?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

Since last year Bernie made it clear who the best 2 candidates are. Except when he started losing

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
13. I want to be wrong, I really do...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:14 PM
Apr 2016

Are there any issues or policies you want to move or is this just about Hillary?

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
22. so Social Security is fine, healthcare system perfect and affordable,... ?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016

For me that is the difference, issues before celebrity.

I don't give anyone a blank check and I don't believe that you win just because the other guy loses -- in some games you BOTH lose.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
29. So California doesn't get to vote, PA, CT, all of those
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:27 PM
Apr 2016

you are taking their votes away.

And you haven't named even one issue that you like Hillary on.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
33. The math
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

The time for debating issues is over. That's been going on for months. This thing is mathematically over, so, to answer your question, California's votes don't matter except in the symbolic sense.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
67. Someone with 43 posts tells us the debate has raged for months
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

And the time for talking about issues is over?

A million dollars buys a lot of 'loyalty'.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
66. And yet another poster who though only here
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

for a handful of days, knowing the ropes and pretty pissy that half the board hasn't fallen into line.


You are a "real mirage".

Response to artislife (Reply #66)

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
45. Who's trying to stop California from voting?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:38 PM
Apr 2016

They can vote.
It's not going to change the outcome.
Hillary has this.
But they can still vote.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
142. If they can vote there will be no problem.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:06 AM
Apr 2016

The problem is that too many states had institutionalized problems preventing people from voting.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
120. If it's over stop trying to shut him down. You people make no sense. Your fearful desperation
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:51 PM
Apr 2016

is palpable.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
123. Until the Bernie or Bust/Hillary's suddenly the devil noise machine stops
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:59 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary supporters will keep reminding them that their party has chose the nominee, and she's a very good one.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
50. Not to them, in the Kardeshian age it is about fandom, money and the status quo..that they are the
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:39 PM
Apr 2016

ones paying the bill does not register with them.

 

insta8er

(960 posts)
53. So are you, lockstep with the corporate line...why do you want to call yourself a democrat anyway?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:40 PM
Apr 2016

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
47. I wonder.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:38 PM
Apr 2016

You wouldn't be posting this flamebait just to up your post count would you?
Because it is a good technique.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
72. The number of days you have belonged to this site
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

Please someone who has paid for this site, let me know if this one has a star. Because I have a theory.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
11. Delegate count and trends....
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:12 PM
Apr 2016

HRC won't have enough delegates to reach nomination without SDs BEFORE convention...

Who's going 'off the cliff' again?

convention should be VERY interesting, I'm looking forward to it, are you?

Rob H.

(5,352 posts)
101. Mine, too
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:27 PM
Apr 2016

Isn't it awesome how some people think those of us who've not yet voted may as well not even bother?

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
30. Yea I know...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:28 PM
Apr 2016

I'm a little late donating this week.

Gonna get right on that in a few!

Thanks for reminding me. Wha a pal!

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
34. Why donate to a candidate who has been eliminated?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

Which he basically has, mathematically. Don't waste the money!

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
40. Me too! Thanks for kicking this. Chipping in another $27
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

Need him to stay in and get his message out.


Octafish

(55,745 posts)
31. UBS
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:28 PM
Apr 2016

UBS is a Swiss bank that is enjoying better days, thanks to the US taxpayer and a number of key US political leaders.





Hillary Helps a Bank—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons

The Wall Street Journal’s eyebrow-raising story of how the presidential candidate and her husband accepted cash from UBS without any regard for the appearance of impropriety that it created.


by CONOR FRIEDERSDORF, The Atlantic, JUL 31, 2015

The Swiss bank UBS is one of the biggest, most powerful financial institutions in the world. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened to help it out with the IRS. And after that, the Swiss bank paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speaking gigs. The Wall Street Journal reported all that and more Thursday in an article that highlights huge conflicts of interest that the Clintons have created in the recent past.

The piece begins by detailing how Clinton helped the global bank.

“A few weeks after Hillary Clinton was sworn in as secretary of state in early 2009, she was summoned to Geneva by her Swiss counterpart to discuss an urgent matter. The Internal Revenue Service was suing UBS AG to get the identities of Americans with secret accounts,” the newspaper reports. “If the case proceeded, Switzerland’s largest bank would face an impossible choice: Violate Swiss secrecy laws by handing over the names, or refuse and face criminal charges in U.S. federal court. Within months, Mrs. Clinton announced a tentative legal settlement—an unusual intervention by the top U.S. diplomat. UBS ultimately turned over information on 4,450 accounts, a fraction of the 52,000 sought by the IRS.”

Then reporters James V. Grimaldi and Rebecca Ballhaus lay out how UBS helped the Clintons. “Total donations by UBS to the Clinton Foundation grew from less than $60,000 through 2008 to a cumulative total of about $600,000 by the end of 2014, according to the foundation and the bank,” they report. “The bank also joined the Clinton Foundation to launch entrepreneurship and inner-city loan programs, through which it lent $32 million. And it paid former president Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS Wealth Management Chief Executive Bob McCann, making UBS his biggest single corporate source of speech income disclosed since he left the White House.”

The article adds that “there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.” Maybe it’s all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasn’t even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.

SNIP...

As McClatchy noted last month in a more broadly focused article that also mentions UBS, “Ten of the world’s biggest financial institutions––including UBS, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Goldman Sachs––have hired Bill Clinton numerous times since 2004 to speak for fees totaling more than $6.4 million. Hillary Clinton also has accepted speaking fees from at least one bank. And along with an 11th bank, the French giant BNP Paribas, the financial goliaths also donated as much as $24.9 million to the Clinton Foundation––the family’s global charity set up to tackle causes from the AIDS epidemic in Africa to climate change.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/



About UBS Wealth Management

It's Buy Partisan

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought on former President Bill Clinton. What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what's a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.



The fact the nation's "news media" isn't really following this story should also be of great concern -- for the 99-percent. The one-percent don't like people knowing stuff like this so they hire propaganda artists specializing in disinformation and misinformation.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
71. No. I ask people to show where I'm wrong. Like with UBS or AIG or the S&Ls.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:52 PM
Apr 2016

Money and power corrupt people. It's Buy Partisan.

This is from 2014:

Swiss-based international banking giant UBS welcomed deregulator extraordinaire Phil Gramm as Vice Chairman after his career in Washington. In other news that never seems to make it into Corporate McPravda, UBS was on the receiving end of $183 Billion in U.S. taxpayer bailout dollars. Small world.



UBS was one of eight large investment banks that benefited from the now-infamous backdoor bailout of AIG—resulting in government cash infusions totaling $182.5 billion—in the dark days of September 2008. At the hearing, the Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, Neil Barofsky, revealed to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that UBS was the only bank willing to settle its soured credit default swaps (CDS) contracts for less than their face value. Why did UBS play ball when all the other banks didn't? As the Washington Independent reported, "Barofsky speculated that the firm probably simply recognized that the American taxpayers 'had taken the global economy on its back.'"

The financial crisis has proved time and again, big banks don't account for taxpayers—except when they need their help. And that's the more likely explanation for UBS' good behavior during the AIG rescue. Like the rest of the global financial industry, UBS was hurting from the subprime mortgage meltdown. (The bank's colossally bad bet on the US housing market—it had already written down $38 billion in bad loans as of April 2008—earned UBS the nickname Used to Be Smart.) But unlike its intransigent peers on Wall Street, the Swiss banking giant also faced the mounting threat of a US federal investigation. It was in no position to play hardball.

SOURCE:

http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2010/01/ubs-good-bank-aig-bailout



UBS made billions off the US taxpayer and paid millions to former Sen. Phil Gramm and former President Bill Clinton, the two people most responsible for the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the New Deal regulations that had protected taxpayers from the Wall Street casino. Their actions led directly to the crash of 2008.

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
70. Unpleasant little person.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:52 PM
Apr 2016

Off to ignore you go. So nice of you to show up to make DU suck harder than it already does lately.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
36. I am absolutely delighted
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

by the attempt at creating a sense of urgency so that Hillary can stop having to be on the left and pivot rightward for the GE.

Keep trying, but this isn't over quite yet. She still has to talk out of the left side of her mouth for a couple of months.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
54. Of course she will.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

That's why Hillary supporters are squirming. They know the longer she has to compete with Bernie, the longer she has to keep up the facade of being anywhere near the left. It's really intriguing to watch the machinations going on.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
43. The clock is ticking for Hillary to convince Bernie's base she is worthy of their support.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:37 PM
Apr 2016

And it's not looking good.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
58. That's a pretty dismissive view of Bernie's supporters.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

It's okay, though, it hasn't stopped us.

It's symptomatic of why we started, after all.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
48. A vote for Bernie is a vote for his agenda.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:39 PM
Apr 2016

It's pretty straightforward. Why would anyone "shift" if Hillary is already a given?

Every vote Bernie gets demonstrates the extent of the support for his agenda.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
51. Hillary's climate change proposals are too little, too late
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:40 PM
Apr 2016

Her "incrementalism" and tepid proposals will doom the planet as surely as climate change deniers.

You'll own that.

Personally I have to live with myself so Bernie needs to stay in to the convention and keep getting the message out.

The planet is in its 11th hour.

Those who are clear thinking Democrats know the most important issue is climate change and will fight like hell to keep the only candidate out in the public eye, Bernie Sanders for as long as Bernie can go.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
59. Ah, another low information Hillary supporter @ climate change
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:46 PM
Apr 2016

I'll stay classy and won't say I told you so.

But I'll be thinking it.

Go do some research. The increasingly severe weather and earth events are going to start snowballing within the next 5 years.

Madame President will go down as the worst president ever for her failure to take bold muscular climate change leadership immediately.

And you'll own that.

onecaliberal

(32,864 posts)
57. Don't cry to us when you elect trump. And yes I will be saddened if my
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:44 PM
Apr 2016

Fellows sell out future humanity because of greed and ignorance. 67% think she's a liar, Indies hate her and they number more than republicans or democrats. That coupled with all republicans coming out to vote against her, spells LOSER any way you spin it. Put it in 4th and drive the country off the cliff, don't cry about the results.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
61. Sorry, Hillary has already lost.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:46 PM
Apr 2016

She failed to get enough delegates even with all of the corruption, bribes, and Machiavellian tactics. That is a bad sign for the GE that on of the poorest senators that is older, less overtly religious, and Jewish (I am listing those because polls show that she should have had an advantage on him since far more people will not vote for a Jewish or less religious person than a white woman). Come the convention if she is still running she may have enough left to bribe the remaining delegates over to her side like she did with the earlier super delegates and the "Hillary victory fund".

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
73. I am not.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:54 PM
Apr 2016

I am just worried that the HRC crew will be to high up on the house of cards when it finally comes down. I am just looking at it from and Osha safety stand point.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
77. Tomorrow?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

Most of this site has been in meltdown mode for weeks. How could tomorrow be any worse?

Nonetheless, I am greatly looking forward to tomorrow, almost as much as Annie. And just think, it's only a day away.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
79. What cliff? Bernie has always been a long shot. He's done an amazing job
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:11 PM
Apr 2016

of trying to save the country despite it being a rigged system.

So have his supporters. None of us are doing this for ourselves.

It is the children and their futures that you are ruining. I don't see that as something to celebrate.

But don't feel bad for us Bernie supporters, we will continue on without tears. We really didn't expect much out of you anyway.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
116. and surely you thought all this back when Bernie was never heard of
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:46 PM
Apr 2016

Surely you weren't pulled in and convinced by his talking points and solidified those thoughts in anger when his loss became apparent

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
143. I have known of Bernie for a long time and was elated when he agreed to run.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:39 AM
Apr 2016

I also know about Hillary which is why I could never support her.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
119. programming code
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:50 PM
Apr 2016

for those times when the math becomes overwhelming

If math becomes obstacle, then assume paid bot
If disagreeing fellow democrat confronts and is not brock-bot, then reiterate
and insist other poster definitely brock-bot. 1st line plus 2nd line = feel better

free of charge code. all legal, no medical license needed

dubyadiprecession

(5,714 posts)
83. It's still early, but The republican nominee will do an excellent job of galvanizing
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:20 PM
Apr 2016

support on the left. Bernie will help Hillary, because he will be as outraged as anyone.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
84. I never thought he could win. But I am glad he has tried.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:23 PM
Apr 2016

Nice to have someone who is not a warmonger in the race.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
105. Her horrible record on issues of military issues is not a talking point.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:33 PM
Apr 2016

And it is not tasty. It kind of makes me want to vomit.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
108. If you care about the truth as you insinuate that you do
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

Read this honestly. You know what I expect? I expect you'll misunderstand the whole thing and say it's proof that you were right all along. Let's see.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html?_r=0

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
91. Divisive arrogance.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:06 PM
Apr 2016

It does no harm for Bernie to stay in the race 'through the end of the primaries.

Only the far right wing of this party would benefit from HRC being nominated by acclimation.

No one who wants a progressive future for this country would gain.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
92. Precious. Just precious and "Bless your heart".
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:37 PM
Apr 2016

Keep on keeping on Hillary supporters. The end is going to be harsh.

For all of us.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
94. Have you
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

Outfitted your survival bunker with food enough for the next 80 years? Surely Armageddon will occur at her inauguration. You sound ready for that though

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
122. Satisfaction.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016


On the bright side, it won't last nearly as long as what Hillary supporters have had to put up with.

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
98. He's been done for a while now. Like Rubio who was going to drive around America in his pickup truck
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:21 PM
Apr 2016

Remember that? Perhaps they can carpool.

Meteor Man

(385 posts)
107. Drop out Bernie!
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

So Joe Biden or John Kerry can be thr DNC choice at the convention when Hillary is indicted.

I guess I should add (snark).

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
111. Don't worry, when she clinches, it will trigger the four horsemen
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:39 PM
Apr 2016

but the Bernie or busters here are fully ready

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
112. When you put your dollar under the pillow for the indictment fairy,
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

be sure to also ask her to make the superdelegates overturn the will of the people. Then the revolution will be complete.

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
128. the credible experts have all explained that there's no case against her
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:06 AM
Apr 2016

but that doesn't help bernie win does it?

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
113. Indictment fairy, surely you can make my guy win
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:44 PM
Apr 2016

and send someone to jail who all credible experts say has done nothing worth being prosecuted over, including Bernie Sanders, who doesn't care about the "damn emails."

Make it happen fairy

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
130. See the dictionary for the difference in the following terms - investigation, and indictment
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:08 AM
Apr 2016

and please, for pete's sake start reading credible sources on this topic. The credible experts on this have all explained that there's no case. Go research it if you actually do care about the truth. But i already know, you won't spend a second researching it. Cause that doesn't help bernie win.

k8conant

(3,030 posts)
137. Credible = believable
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:16 AM
Apr 2016

Apparently the only "experts" you believe are the ones who say what you want them to.

I've already researched it. How many of the emails have you read? How do you reconcile her actions with the agreement she signed?
She was SOS and knew what was classified. She's a lawyer, for chrissake, and knew better but thought her "fame" would save her. It may, of course, but not because she's innocent.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
118. The Bernie supporters have to decide if they want to quit the Dem Party or whatever. You can't
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:49 PM
Apr 2016

force them to do so. If you want to get them to decide to support Hillary you need to come up with a more persuasive argument.

I would like to say:
"Dear Sanders supporters, we have the utmost respect for you and your candidate. We would love for you to support Hillary Clinton when you are ready, if Bernie does not become the Dem candidate. We will most certainly support Bernie if he does become the nominee."

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
126. Please indictment fairy, overturn the will of the people
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:03 AM
Apr 2016

oh please, I just gotta have my candidate win. At any cost.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
138. The will of the people
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:22 AM
Apr 2016

Have been overturned every step of this election so far, one more might balance the scales.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
125. I think you missed the memo. Many are shifting their support right out of the Dem party.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

I bet there ends up being a new progressive liberal party out of this.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
131. You really missed the memo. And it's people like you that are fracturing the
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:08 AM
Apr 2016

dem party. Going for corruption is what's killing it.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
135. Yep, not taking my ball and going home, taking it on the road for Bernie and beyond
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:12 AM
Apr 2016

The OP is a typical low information Hillary voter on climate change (amongst other things. ....)

They think we actually have time....



I won't say I told you so to Hillary supporters.

But I'll be thinking it.

And cursing them as more and more extreme weather and environmental events snowball.


NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
140. For less than one-100th of the effort needed to create a viable "new" national party ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:34 AM
Apr 2016

... maybe you guys could try a bottom-up "revolution" instead. First step: actually register as Democrats and participate.

Otherwise you're just wasting your time, and it looks like whining and sour-grapes.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
133. I do hope you get paid well
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:12 AM
Apr 2016

now name ONE issue you like Hillary on, IN full detail. Go on.

I mean that. I will be easy on you. What is her sand on the minimum wage?

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