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moriah

(8,311 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:06 PM Apr 2016

Face it, if you support Donald Trump, you aren't a true Democrat.

The moon really did get landed on, the world is a sphere, and we won the American Revolution.

Those are facts.

I still am rooting for Pluto, though, but that is what's called an opinion.

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moriah

(8,311 posts)
3. Sorry, copycat that I couldn't resist, you may have that person on Ignore.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:09 PM
Apr 2016

Hope you have a lovely day.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
5. No worries. I fixed the title to reflect the copycat more clearly.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

I am in a snarky mood tonightx though. I probably shouldn't stoop to copycats.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. How about Democrats who act in concert with Republicans?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:36 PM
Apr 2016

Case in Point: UBS, a Swiss bank that is enjoying better days, thanks to the US taxpayer and a number of key US political leaders.





Hillary Helps a Bank—and Then It Funnels Millions to the Clintons

The Wall Street Journal’s eyebrow-raising story of how the presidential candidate and her husband accepted cash from UBS without any regard for the appearance of impropriety that it created.


by CONOR FRIEDERSDORF, The Atlantic, JUL 31, 2015

The Swiss bank UBS is one of the biggest, most powerful financial institutions in the world. As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton intervened to help it out with the IRS. And after that, the Swiss bank paid Bill Clinton $1.5 million for speaking gigs. The Wall Street Journal reported all that and more Thursday in an article that highlights huge conflicts of interest that the Clintons have created in the recent past.

The piece begins by detailing how Clinton helped the global bank.

“A few weeks after Hillary Clinton was sworn in as secretary of state in early 2009, she was summoned to Geneva by her Swiss counterpart to discuss an urgent matter. The Internal Revenue Service was suing UBS AG to get the identities of Americans with secret accounts,” the newspaper reports. “If the case proceeded, Switzerland’s largest bank would face an impossible choice: Violate Swiss secrecy laws by handing over the names, or refuse and face criminal charges in U.S. federal court. Within months, Mrs. Clinton announced a tentative legal settlement—an unusual intervention by the top U.S. diplomat. UBS ultimately turned over information on 4,450 accounts, a fraction of the 52,000 sought by the IRS.”

Then reporters James V. Grimaldi and Rebecca Ballhaus lay out how UBS helped the Clintons. “Total donations by UBS to the Clinton Foundation grew from less than $60,000 through 2008 to a cumulative total of about $600,000 by the end of 2014, according to the foundation and the bank,” they report. “The bank also joined the Clinton Foundation to launch entrepreneurship and inner-city loan programs, through which it lent $32 million. And it paid former president Bill Clinton $1.5 million to participate in a series of question-and-answer sessions with UBS Wealth Management Chief Executive Bob McCann, making UBS his biggest single corporate source of speech income disclosed since he left the White House.”

The article adds that “there is no evidence of any link between Mrs. Clinton’s involvement in the case and the bank’s donations to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, or its hiring of Mr. Clinton.” Maybe it’s all a mere coincidence, and when UBS agreed to pay Bill Clinton $1.5 million the relevant decision-maker wasn’t even aware of the vast sum his wife may have saved the bank or the power that she will potentially wield after the 2016 presidential election.

SNIP...

As McClatchy noted last month in a more broadly focused article that also mentions UBS, “Ten of the world’s biggest financial institutions––including UBS, Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Goldman Sachs––have hired Bill Clinton numerous times since 2004 to speak for fees totaling more than $6.4 million. Hillary Clinton also has accepted speaking fees from at least one bank. And along with an 11th bank, the French giant BNP Paribas, the financial goliaths also donated as much as $24.9 million to the Clinton Foundation––the family’s global charity set up to tackle causes from the AIDS epidemic in Africa to climate change.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/



About UBS Wealth Management

It's Buy Partisan

After his exit from the US Senate, Phil Gramm found a job at Swiss bank UBS as vice chairman. He later brought on former President Bill Clinton. What a coincidence, they are the two key figures in repealing Glass-Steagal. Since the New Deal it was the financial regulation that protected the US taxpayer from the Wall Street casino. Oh well, what's a $16 trillion bailout among friends?



It's a Buy-Partisan Who's Who:

President William J. Clinton
President George W. Bush Heh heh heh.
Robert J. McCann
James Carville
John V. Miller
Paula D. Polito
Anthony Roth
Mike Ryan
John Savercool

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

One of my attorney chums doesn't like to see his name on any committees, event letterhead or political campaign literature. These folks, it seems to me, are past caring.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.



If you don't understand why this matters, great. I can understand, given the nation's "news media" isn't really following the UBS story. If you understand why it matters and chose to stay silent, you sicken me.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
10. Sadly, most of your images were broken, so it was hard to keep up with your post.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:27 PM
Apr 2016

But I am an Arkansas Democrat who still very much resents having to write to John Boozman and Tom Cotton instead of "DINOs" Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor.

So when it comes to looking at the reality of our current political process, the same reality that encouraged the DSCC to fund a Sanders run for Senate in 2006 despite him being an I at the time (that usually he caucused with Democrats, even if sometimes be had bowerd to the opinions of the more Independent people who were his constituents -- the gun bill being a prime example) also makes me value people like Blanche and Mark.

Because even if they weren't as liberal as Sanders by a long shot, when it came to the biggest issues (breaking filibusters, SC nominees, reproductive rights, etc) they were there.

Now my senator, literally, thinks the fact he's an eye doctor means that he knows my lady parts better than my doctor.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. Sorry. Darn phone. Try this...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:11 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511768396

Most of the reply above is there.

I am more interested in integrity these days, as the banksters walk free and all the wars without end for profits without cease aren't doing Democracy any favors.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
11. Dems rock. :)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:40 PM
Apr 2016

I still am rooting for Pluto cuz, well, I thought that rock rocked too.

But I did see an interesting article theorizing that I might legitimately have an incorrect opinion there..

moriah

(8,311 posts)
13. I perhaps should self-delete this now that its original is also self-deleted.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:51 PM
Apr 2016

Except that I still love Pluto.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
15. Appreciate the appreciation.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:33 PM
Apr 2016

It was a snarky copycat, and I usually try to avoid them. And since the original is self-deleted and there's little to compare it to. But I am glad some people got a laugh.

I also want to make it clear to anyone who is sensitive right now -- I've always rooted for Pluto. I'm in no way comparing the scientific community probably being right about Pluto not really being a true planet because it hasn't cleared its orbit, but me still rooting for Pluto, to the current primaries in any way. At all.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
16. I'll use the same words for Trump supporters that Susan Sarandon used toward Hillary supporters ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:28 AM
Apr 2016

"FUCK THEM!"

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