2016 Postmortem
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He is not lying down and letting the machine operate in its merry way without a fight.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)It's really quite simple.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)I'd be pissed too if I was losing to an absurd reality tv host with a dead squirrel on his dead.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Are you relating to a general feeling here, or do you have anything substantive to base on how we'll vote tomorrow?
Because when you have to start bringing Trump into the conversation, I think you might just be a little mad yourself. We aren't comparing Bernie Sanders to anyone during the primary outside of your candidate, and you didn't even mention her.
Crabby Abbey
(66 posts)Exit polling would indicate he's doing way better than the actual counts. What in the world could be going on? Seriously - I don't know anyone excited about Hillary running. Nobody. Some will reluctantly vote for her if the DNC crams her down the collective democratic throat, however their party will be in ruins because of all the shenanigans. I will never vote for a cheater or support a corrupt party. We're going to have to start all over.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)I wonder...Vote flipping machines? I'd say the numbers are mighty peculiar. Voter Suppression, a certainty. I don't believe the outcome in NY is the will of the people and I say the same about MA and AZ.
I agree. Don't know one actual Hillfan in the real world. Only online.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Republican family members are voting for Kasich. Some indies say anybody but Hillary. I don't know anyone voting for her.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I do know one person. Former state congresscritter and deeply involved in the elect a woman president ideal.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Crabby Abbey
(66 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)and informed you all are with great frequency.
Crabby Abbey
(66 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Crabby Abbey
(66 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)But then I grew up.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Only in his dreams.
Crabby Abbey
(66 posts)Enjoying your minimum wage shill job? If Bernie was president you would be earning more trolling for Hillary.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Go back to whichever cave you inhabit.
Crabby Abbey
(66 posts)The one that no longer exists. Vote for Clinton. Go ahead. But don't expect anything better than the status quo that is suffocating and killing the poor and downtrodden. I will vote for someone who doesn't say single payer "will never happen" or that tuition-free state college is "a pipe dream". Fuck that. Go bold and go strong. Go Birdie!
liberal from boston
(856 posts)This Country is at a pivotal moment does not need a status quo Candidate. Bernie is only Candidate talking about progressive agenda. Vice President Biden likes Bernie's Big Ideas. Love the last sentence in the article: "This is not the first time Biden has praised Sanders at the expense of Clintons image. Biden also praised Bernies crusade for income inequality last January. Bernie is speaking to a yearning that is deep and real. And he has credibility on it, he said, while adding, Its relatively new for Hillary to talk about that.
http://usuncut.com/politics/biden-more-inspired-by-sanders/
LibraLiz1973
(8,197 posts)Watching this is painful.
I love that we're being told we're stupid for supporting Hillary by his surrogates.
This party......... This election....... I can't even.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Jennylynn
(696 posts)not a one!
Beacool
(30,250 posts)don't mean much in the long run. Hillary supporters listened to both sides and then showed up where it matters: at the voting booth.
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)I have not seen any exit polls that vary in any great margin from the counted votes.
samson212
(83 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)My crowd is over the top enthusiastic to vote for Hillary.
We just don't go to rallies.
But VOTE? Oh baby , we vote.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)as should you if you don't like excessive concentrations of wealth and power and an elite corporate class that has basically bought our government.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)leaving school mired in debt and people who need medical care and can't get it. Just because you support someone who wants to ride the coattails of another president is so disgusting.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Beyond tiresome.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)We have your back, Bernie👍
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)well, we can be happy if our personal lives merit it...But pissed at how our country has been sold to the highest bidders.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)JudyM
(29,251 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)And it's quite clear that there are a lot of inattentive or willfully blind 'Democrats.'
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)vs The Constitution.
Vilis Veritas
(2,405 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)die.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)have gone to one too many presentations of Les Miserables.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)It's incumbent on HC to win my supporters if it comes to that (paraphrasing).
Good to see a renewed fire in his belly!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)The first was that he can not snap his fingers and deliver his supporters. He then said that HRC will have to reach for those people. He listed issues she can move on ... which I doubt she will, as she has already moved to the left on many issues.
The second part was that he said he knew how extreme the Republicans are - and that he would fight to keep a Republican out of the Oval Office.
(The funny thing is that I had lunch today with a Burlingtonian, who like most Burlingtonians, knew Bernie very well from when he was mayor. When the question of what Bernie would do if he lost --- her answer was so close to something like this that my husband and I were stunned.
The fact is that that answer is FAR more compelling and real than if he answered that he would become a leading surrogate. If he did that, he would lose credibility with the very people he needs to influence -- those who are not wanting to vote for HRC. He can be more effective - staying true to the causes that he has had for decades -- and making the case that a Republican in the Oval Office are detrimental to those causes.
Think about it as if you were a Sanders supporter, who thinks Clinton is not a good alternative and you care about the issues that they differ on, which impresses you more:
- Sanders appearing to thrash all those issues and become a cookie cutter surrogate for Clinton
OR
- Sanders remaining himself and making a case that a Republican would be far worse and devastating on both the issues that he and Clinton differ on, but those they disagree on.
My take is the latter works far better with Sanders' real authenticity.
Further, compare the second part to Nader 2000 -- Sanders does not equate HRC with a Republican and says he will work to keep a Republican out.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)Chris Hayes head looks like a honeydew melon.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)I think it is the suit that is making his noggin look like melon
hack89
(39,171 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)he is losing and is frustrated by it. Hopefully he will not screw up the end game and undo all the good he has done these past 6 months.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Bernie is obviously both. I know plenty of smart people. It goes with my job.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)both my wife and I come from blue collar roots - there are plenty of working poor in our families.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)was that merely another brainless retort directed at me because I disagree with you? In that case I apologize.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Clinton Family wealth puts them in the top 1% of the top 1% not counting their Foundation nor their daughters $15,000,000. Idolization of the wealthy.
hack89
(39,171 posts)i am not a simplistic single issue voter.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)How about her position on fracking or the TPP or medical marijuana? She is on the wrong side of all those issues.
Oh I know you like her Prisons For Profits
Here are some important points made by Black Lives Matter Activist Ashley Williams:
Here's the truth: the Clinton legacy has left our prisons bursting at the seams. Real lives have been destroyed as a result. It is an indisputable fact that millions of Black people were locked up for drug crimes and provided the bodies for the expansion of the prison industry.
The 1994 Crime Bill that she so vigorously defended not only expanded incarceration, but stripped funding for college education from prisoners. The Clinton legacy allowed for policies that prevented anyone convicted of a felony drug offense from receiving food stamps or income assistance. Clinton-led welfare reform fundamentally ripped apart the social safety net.
Make no mistake, Hillary Clinton's efforts to push these policies resulted in the continued destruction of Black communities and the swift growth of our mass incarceration crisis.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Have a good evening.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)put amassing wealth before helping those among us struggling. We are not going quietly into the night one way or the other.
We have 2.5 million children homeless and Clinton will assure that Goldman-Sachs gets bigger profits.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)arrogant and haughty any day.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)someday.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Response to Gomez163 (Reply #22)
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Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)tell a lot more about the gloater then the person who lost?
Carolina
(6,960 posts)about the person and the person s/he supports
TDale313
(7,820 posts)Troll. Or sock. Or both.
And yeah, this may get me a hide, but screw it. People behaving like this deserve to be called, particularly since the new rules let them keep doing it.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)What's funny is that they call Bernie supporters "Bros" and complain that we're bullies, but nearly all the bad behavior in on their part.
I don't think they can stand to see other people happy. Hm, that might explain their lack of concern about what their candidate could do the American people.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)After the pitiless and cruel treatment of Hillary supporters ... after the lies and smears about Hillary ... after being stalked and juried to death, bullied, insulted, silenced and expelled through the abuse of a flawed system ... it's time for the winning minority at this site to celebrate and enjoy our candidate's insurmountable lead and her forthcoming and inevitable victory.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)It may be the only thing you have going with your life.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Some of you seem to think that anger in itself is virtuous. It isn't.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Maybe angry isn'y the right word....He's not yelling and throwing tantrums,. But he is laying down the gauntlet to Clinton and the Dem Establishment to take up the issues he has been raising, and not backslide into their complacency.
randome
(34,845 posts)I'm all for expanding the Democratic platform and taking specific stands on issues. And that's what I'm hoping comes out of all this.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)His answers are so smart and complete and well thought out. This is his best interview.
senz
(11,945 posts)Strong, clear, logical, passionate.
Universal pre-K is on Bernie's platform.
Armstead, I wish we didn't have to watch this with the jokers...
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But maybe it's like rubbing a cavity with the tongue.
senz
(11,945 posts)(Hits home, too. I have a chipped tooth since Friday. tmi)
Armstead
(47,803 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)but I wouldn't want to unduly worry the young 'uns.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Other than lack of natural choppers, and the eyesight issue, I don't aches and pains or the otehr issues.
Some of my friends on the otehr hand.....
senz
(11,945 posts)it was kind of bitter-sweet to sing him the first few bars of the Beatles song but couldn't go much further without risking some hurt.
As someone with OA and RA, I've got serious aches and pains but try not to let them get me down. You're doing great, Armstead.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I have adjusted to it, but it sucks. I couldn't resist jumping into this old fart discussion...I'm 65.
senz
(11,945 posts)It's a real challenge. Have you had it long, Punkingal? I was diagnosed 18 mos. ago, and since it coincided with other medical events, it's been an upheaval. I'm still trying to understand what's happening.
There seem to be quite a few old farts here on DU. Boomers are nice people.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I was diagnosed in 2005, but had it as early as 2000 I know now. I have other issues, too, pernicious anemia for one.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Glad he explained his comment on the soda tax. Also glad I wasn't the one that asked him that question as a Hillary supporter....talk about feeling small after his response....ouch.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)He's always been a corrupt corporate toady when talking about or to Bernie. The schmuck,
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Response to Armstead (Original post)
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senz
(11,945 posts)I hope he has a strong stomach. He's been excellent so far.
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senz
(11,945 posts)I'm watching the Hill segment now and there have been no interruptions.
Really hating on the media...
senz
(11,945 posts)Aww, so cheesy...
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)I've always liked that he was up and moving across the stage, but I have to say, this is fantastic. He's clear, direct and not backing down.
And I loved his response on whether he needed to sell his supporters on Hillary. No, absolutely not. That's her job, and if she can't provide solutions or support issues important to us, then it's clear our votes aren't important to her.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)He is in top form tonight.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)In other news...water is wet.
Flim at 11.
senz
(11,945 posts)It might do you some good.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Now if he was talking about how he would get all the legislation that he proposes past the teabag house, which would be like holy water to vampires, that would be interesting.
senz
(11,945 posts)Learn the difference.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I hope you can forgive me
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Or not. I will for sure though.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)You're working - or not? - but are watching Bernie - or not? - on company time - or not? - but you critiquing something you're not watching - or are?????
BTW, I'm feeling totally awesome because my candidate answered questions with intelligence and without anger unlike yours.
Hmmm. So are you watching or not watching at work your favorite candidate?
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Are you paying attention or just finding things to be cranky about?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)which shows that you have zero credibility.
senz
(11,945 posts)So watch the repeat and you'll know what he said.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Oh the horror!!!!
Stop drinking haterade and listen. No one is asking for you to vote for him. Many of the things he's discussing, our democratic leaders have spoken out on for eons. It's about damn time we're getting some serious airtime on it.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Practically the only time Bernie gets mentioned is when it's in regards to Socialism.
Amazing how far he's taken his campaign. He's not going to give up. He's almost there.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)He doesn't need an ounce of coaching on anything.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)And he will be brilliant tomorrow and the next day and all the days thereafter.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But he's angry and determined to keep the fight up -- for the right reasons
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I will not even click to MSNBC any longer if I can avoid it.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)MSNBC hasn't been putting videos on line lately that show Bernie in a good light.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Joanie Baloney
(1,357 posts)End private ownership of prisons! Immediately!
Take marijuana off Schedule 1! Yes!!
Go Bernie, go!!
-JB
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Response to snowy owl (Reply #75)
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)Absolutely awesome, and so heartfelt.
senz
(11,945 posts)He always has been.
pa28
(6,145 posts)The establishment media will gladly use that particular narrative to sweep Sanders and his supporters under the rug as irrelevant at convention time. The fact they want so badly for Bernie to drop out now is evidence he shouldn't do it.
senz
(11,945 posts)But... SHE looks pissed. Wonder why? She probably heard his go round...
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Bernie stuck to issues. HRC makes it personal. That's why I have so little patience with her supporters who accuse Bernie of it. They are so loyal they can't see truth, hear truth or even speak truth anymore.
senz
(11,945 posts)and she's doing some cheapo bragging about having more votes at present.
She's all negative.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)The contrast between them...She is now a female Charlie Sheen.
I don;t have to listen to sanders ajnd his supporters because I'm winnnnnnnning.
Time for the TV to go off.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)But I hope the peopel who have yet to vote appreciate the contrast.
Integrity vs. ewwwwwwwwww
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)She just released her Delegates at the Convention f I recall.
Releasing Delegates and telling your voters to back a person is two different things.
She didn't answer the question. Bernie said she would have to give his voters a reason to vote for her.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts)I remember that part. The part where they twisted what Bernie meant by giving his voters someone to vote for is different from Forcing her hand on her platform which is what they seem to be implying
Beacool
(30,250 posts)She repeatedly told her voters to support Obama.
napi21
(45,806 posts)I didn't attribute his demeanor as being pissed, but maybe you're right.
The other thing I have to say is, I'm very close to turning off my TV now. Hillary is pissing me off. I already screamed "STFU" at the TV. I just might go back to listening to the radio for the next 2 hrs.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)It's as hard for me to watch Maddow as it is to watch Clinton.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Do they go back beyond MSNBC days?
senz
(11,945 posts)Bernie seems so wonky but his human side, which comes out quickly and naturally at odd moments, is completely lovable and disarming.
They said something about having had many interviews over the years -- but I don't know where else.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)During MSNBC Town Hall hosted by Chris Hayes:
Lets talk about principle. Hundreds and hundreds of superdelegates parts of the Democratic establishment voted for Hillary Clinton, or chose to come on board her campaign before I even announced by candidacy, and those people have a right to rethink the decision that they made, and if they conclude that we are the stronger campaign for a dozen different reasons that we are a stronger campaign. And by the way, this is not just talking off the top of my head virtually every poll thats out there as you know shows that Bernie Sanders does better against Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton does better against other Republican candidates. Should that be taken into consideration? Yeah, I think so.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/25/bernie-sanders-argues-clinton-superdelegates-deserve-chance-change-minds.html
Beacool
(30,250 posts)would switch their allegiance to the candidate with far less pledged delegates. She's also ahead in the popular vote.
They will not subvert the will of the people, it would be undemocratic. It's offensive that Sanders and his two hustlers (Devine and Weaver) would even suggest such a move.
Talk about attempting to steal an election........
Beacool
(30,250 posts)Did I miss any talking point?
senz
(11,945 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Too bad you think the systematic robbing of the average and poor majority to feed the greed of Wall St. crooks and Corporate Empires. and a tiny sliver of the Elite who have obscene wealth is just a "talking point."
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Convincing the super delegates to switch to the candidate who is losing in the pledged delegate and the popular vote.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and the attacks and smears and insults and stalking are about to end.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)expect that to end the smears and insults. To the contrary I fully expect the more virulent Berniebots to become even more unhinged. Perhaps we can resurrect Whitewater - or Travelgate - or Vince Foster's suicide, bringing in more videos from Judge Napolitano. Who knows? But you can be sure that it will become more unhinged as the only path to 'victory' becomes 'flipping the SDs'.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'll have to un-ignore my huge ignore list so that I can watch the fireworks in living color ... and so that I can witness the flameouts. That should be entertaining.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)You never do. Your posts so often mimick the insults from others. But you really don't watch this stuff do you?
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)I don't have cable or sat, trying to navigate MSNBC website for the right link is cluttered with other stuff or I'm just not getting how it works there.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)like "Chris Hayes and Bernie Sanders" etc
2banon
(7,321 posts)or maybe I need to check those links out again, later when I have time.
thanks.