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dsc

(52,162 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:52 PM Apr 2016

An honest question in regard to Sanders' promise that we won't have more people in jail

than any other nation. We currently have a bit over 200,000 people in federal prison. If he were to release every one of them, and he most surely wouldn't since some are in for things like child pornography. We would still have over 2,000,000 in prison and the highest rate. So how would be lower our rate enough to keep his promise? Has this ever been addressed.

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An honest question in regard to Sanders' promise that we won't have more people in jail (Original Post) dsc Apr 2016 OP
Well a good start Gwhittey Apr 2016 #1
No they aren't there because of the federal law which is my point dsc Apr 2016 #3
100k in federal prisons are nonviolent drug offenders. Release them asap riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #23
Maybe he can get Marijuana decriminalization and let out folks incarcerated for that? GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #2
How many of the 200000 are in Federal Prison on Marijuana possession? Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #4
Not sure, but one is too many. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #9
One will not complete his promise. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #10
He can, and should, do so at the federal level dsc Apr 2016 #6
98K non-violent drug offenders in federal prison, 805K in state prisons icecreamfan Apr 2016 #5
He can't release state prisoners dsc Apr 2016 #8
He can help provide political cover icecreamfan Apr 2016 #11
True, but perhaps in releasing the federal ones, he can set a precedent that will slowly trickle GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #12
It's called using federal funding as a carrot to the states to push early release. Considering how Skwmom Apr 2016 #16
like it did for medicaid dsc Apr 2016 #17
Apples and oranges. Medicaid is JOINTLY financed by federal and state. Are you against early Skwmom Apr 2016 #22
No I am not dsc Apr 2016 #24
Arizona, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky, Arkansas, Louisiana, Montana, North Dakota, and Alaska icecreamfan Apr 2016 #27
Bernie’s proposals to start by releasing the 100k federal non-violent drug offenders riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #28
Just fodder for his supporters. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #7
He could issue a new emancipation proclamation. reformist2 Apr 2016 #13
It feels great to live in a reality based universe. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #14
Here is an... tonedevil Apr 2016 #15
yes and electing governors and state legislators who will do it dsc Apr 2016 #18
Which Sanders would do if President Armstead Apr 2016 #21
He refuses to lift a finger right now dsc Apr 2016 #25
That's a lie. Here's a list of 190+ he's organized for us to support riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #26
It's the same promise that Hillary just made on the Townhall. beedle Apr 2016 #19
I don't recall her saying those words dsc Apr 2016 #20
 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
1. Well a good start
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 08:59 PM
Apr 2016

Would be to stop jailing African Americans at a 4-1 rate over drugs(mainly pot) Than whites are. There are several 1000 people surviving a life sentence. Some of them over pot possession because of 3 strike drug laws that came during Bill Clinton White House stay.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
3. No they aren't there because of the federal law which is my point
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:03 PM
Apr 2016

There are 211,000 people in prison at the federal level period. Not a single other person. The rest of them are in state prisons many sentenced under laws that pre dated Clinton and in any case, he didn't vote for, he didn't sign.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
23. 100k in federal prisons are nonviolent drug offenders. Release them asap
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:13 PM
Apr 2016

Get those that need treatment into treatment.

Stop the war on drugs (Bernie's vowed to do that). Decriminalize or legalize MJ (another Bernie proposal). Just stopping arresting non-violent drug offenders will drop our prison population by 20,000/year.

Begin aggressive campaigns with those groups committed to ending mass incarceration like Partners for Prison Justice who are active on the state levels.

Begin closing for profit prisons and work actively with schools to end the school to prison pipeline (another Bernie proposal).

Prison experts who've evaluated Bernie’s plan say he's easily able to get to his target of releasing 500k prisoners in his 1st term by releasing federal non-violent drug prisoners and stopping MJ arrests alone.

And yes, there's been numerous threads on this but these are policy discussions that always sink.


dsc

(52,162 posts)
6. He can, and should, do so at the federal level
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:04 PM
Apr 2016

lets assume all 211,000 federal inmates are in for that, and no they aren't, but lets assume they are. That leaves 2,000,000 in state and local jails and prisons.

icecreamfan

(115 posts)
5. 98K non-violent drug offenders in federal prison, 805K in state prisons
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:04 PM
Apr 2016
http://nonprophetnews.com/social-justice/the-pundits-are-wrong-bernie-can-cut-our-prison-population-in-half/

It'd be very difficult to reduce the prison population by 500-600K people, but not impossible. Regardless, the US cannot and should not maintain its obscene level of incarceration. We need to start treating drug addictions as illnesses, and massive theft/fraud by the financial services industry as crimes.

icecreamfan

(115 posts)
11. He can help provide political cover
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:08 PM
Apr 2016

Also, California's prison population got so high it was ruled unconstitutional.

States can't afford their prison populations and want/need the political cover to reduce them.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,378 posts)
12. True, but perhaps in releasing the federal ones, he can set a precedent that will slowly trickle
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:08 PM
Apr 2016

downward?

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
16. It's called using federal funding as a carrot to the states to push early release. Considering how
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:43 PM
Apr 2016

many states are struggling with budgets, I am sure it can be done.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
22. Apples and oranges. Medicaid is JOINTLY financed by federal and state. Are you against early
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:11 PM
Apr 2016

release of non-violent criminals?

dsc

(52,162 posts)
24. No I am not
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:19 PM
Apr 2016

I am against promising to do things which we have no power to do. States, and only states, run state prisons. The Medicaid expansion ran into trouble because SCOTUS ruled that the only funding that could be linked to the expansion was that which was being spent upon it. Thus, there is no financial leverage to be had. We can't deny them funds for prisons as a whole to get them to let people out of prison. If we want state prisoners released we need to elect state officials who will release them.

icecreamfan

(115 posts)
27. Arizona, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Kentucky, Arkansas, Louisiana, Montana, North Dakota, and Alaska
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016

States with Republican governors that passed the medicaid expansion.

You've already stated you agree with the overall premise that we need to reduce the prison population. It sounds like you just want to reduce it by less and over a longer period of time.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
28. Bernie’s proposals to start by releasing the 100k federal non-violent drug offenders
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016

Stop the war on drugs (stop arresting non-violent drug offenders) and legalize MJ will easily get us to his target of reducing incarceration by 500k in his 1st term.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
15. Here is an...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:25 PM
Apr 2016

honest question for you. Is reducing the prison population in the US a desirable goal in your estimation? If so do you have some method of doing so?

dsc

(52,162 posts)
18. yes and electing governors and state legislators who will do it
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:03 PM
Apr 2016

but that would require actually helping elect down ticket candidates.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
21. Which Sanders would do if President
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:11 PM
Apr 2016

It's silly to pretend he doesn't understand the importance of that.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
25. He refuses to lift a finger right now
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:20 PM
Apr 2016

and even during the townhall he provided no plans at all for increasing our ranks at the federal level let alone the state level. If he finds this important he sure isn't showing it by his actions.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
26. That's a lie. Here's a list of 190+ he's organized for us to support
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:36 PM
Apr 2016
http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?4694-Bernie-s-Coat-Tails-Important-List-of-Bernie-Democrats-Running-for-Office

We're cutting out the middle man DNC which isn't really funnelling $$ down ticket. Its a money laundering scheme where virtually everything Hillary raises goes thru the DNC to her Victory Fund.

Bernie’s asking us to donate directly. We've raised nearly a million bucks for Tim Canova for example. No DNC involvement. Just Bernie’s request.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
20. I don't recall her saying those words
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:10 PM
Apr 2016

if she did, she shouldn't have. I recall her saying she would work to reduce the population (not giving a rank or number) and work to help those who were out of prison but had been in prison.

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