2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAn honest question in regard to Sanders' promise that we won't have more people in jail
than any other nation. We currently have a bit over 200,000 people in federal prison. If he were to release every one of them, and he most surely wouldn't since some are in for things like child pornography. We would still have over 2,000,000 in prison and the highest rate. So how would be lower our rate enough to keep his promise? Has this ever been addressed.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Would be to stop jailing African Americans at a 4-1 rate over drugs(mainly pot) Than whites are. There are several 1000 people surviving a life sentence. Some of them over pot possession because of 3 strike drug laws that came during Bill Clinton White House stay.
dsc
(52,162 posts)There are 211,000 people in prison at the federal level period. Not a single other person. The rest of them are in state prisons many sentenced under laws that pre dated Clinton and in any case, he didn't vote for, he didn't sign.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Get those that need treatment into treatment.
Stop the war on drugs (Bernie's vowed to do that). Decriminalize or legalize MJ (another Bernie proposal). Just stopping arresting non-violent drug offenders will drop our prison population by 20,000/year.
Begin aggressive campaigns with those groups committed to ending mass incarceration like Partners for Prison Justice who are active on the state levels.
Begin closing for profit prisons and work actively with schools to end the school to prison pipeline (another Bernie proposal).
Prison experts who've evaluated Bernies plan say he's easily able to get to his target of releasing 500k prisoners in his 1st term by releasing federal non-violent drug prisoners and stopping MJ arrests alone.
And yes, there's been numerous threads on this but these are policy discussions that always sink.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,378 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,378 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)lets assume all 211,000 federal inmates are in for that, and no they aren't, but lets assume they are. That leaves 2,000,000 in state and local jails and prisons.
icecreamfan
(115 posts)It'd be very difficult to reduce the prison population by 500-600K people, but not impossible. Regardless, the US cannot and should not maintain its obscene level of incarceration. We need to start treating drug addictions as illnesses, and massive theft/fraud by the financial services industry as crimes.
dsc
(52,162 posts)icecreamfan
(115 posts)Also, California's prison population got so high it was ruled unconstitutional.
States can't afford their prison populations and want/need the political cover to reduce them.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,378 posts)downward?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)many states are struggling with budgets, I am sure it can be done.
dsc
(52,162 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)release of non-violent criminals?
I am against promising to do things which we have no power to do. States, and only states, run state prisons. The Medicaid expansion ran into trouble because SCOTUS ruled that the only funding that could be linked to the expansion was that which was being spent upon it. Thus, there is no financial leverage to be had. We can't deny them funds for prisons as a whole to get them to let people out of prison. If we want state prisoners released we need to elect state officials who will release them.
icecreamfan
(115 posts)States with Republican governors that passed the medicaid expansion.
You've already stated you agree with the overall premise that we need to reduce the prison population. It sounds like you just want to reduce it by less and over a longer period of time.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Stop the war on drugs (stop arresting non-violent drug offenders) and legalize MJ will easily get us to his target of reducing incarceration by 500k in his 1st term.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)honest question for you. Is reducing the prison population in the US a desirable goal in your estimation? If so do you have some method of doing so?
dsc
(52,162 posts)but that would require actually helping elect down ticket candidates.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It's silly to pretend he doesn't understand the importance of that.
dsc
(52,162 posts)and even during the townhall he provided no plans at all for increasing our ranks at the federal level let alone the state level. If he finds this important he sure isn't showing it by his actions.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)We're cutting out the middle man DNC which isn't really funnelling $$ down ticket. Its a money laundering scheme where virtually everything Hillary raises goes thru the DNC to her Victory Fund.
Bernies asking us to donate directly. We've raised nearly a million bucks for Tim Canova for example. No DNC involvement. Just Bernies request.
beedle
(1,235 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)if she did, she shouldn't have. I recall her saying she would work to reduce the population (not giving a rank or number) and work to help those who were out of prison but had been in prison.