2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie thinks Superdelegates should consider changing their mind
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/25/bernie-sanders-argues-clinton-superdelegates-deserve-chance-change-minds.htmlLets talk about principle. Hundreds and hundreds of superdelegates parts of the Democratic establishment voted for Hillary Clinton, or chose to come on board her campaign before I even announced by candidacy, and those people have a right to rethink the decision that they made, and if they conclude that we are the stronger campaign for a dozen different reasons that we are a stronger campaign. And by the way, this is not just talking off the top of my head virtually every poll thats out there as you know shows that Bernie Sanders does better against Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton does better against other Republican candidates. Should that be taken into consideration? Yeah, I think so.
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Lucinda
(31,170 posts)IamMab
(1,359 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)for his famed 'integrity'.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)for a living. He's selling himself to voters. Hillary sells herself to the highest bidder. There's a difference you know. You people are sort of on the ridiculous side. Get real.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)above the will of the voters. That's real.
From the Los Angeles Times
Sanders campaign's new strategy on superdelegates leaves some unimpressed
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-sanders-superdelegates-pennsylvania-20160424-story.html
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)And Berniestas say Clinton has a problem with honesty & integrity.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Until that happens, they should either go with Bernie or abstain from voting at the convention.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)why would that happen if Hillary has the most Pledged Delegates?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)inconsistent.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Make up your minds.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)do you understand how any of this works? there is no rule that he has to stay in and have a floor fight at the convention.
moriah
(8,311 posts)I would strongly encourage you find other sourcing for such things, at least until we have a nominee and that organization, too, goes to GE footing.
Edit: Sorry, thought that was from Priorities USA, not Politucs USA. Would self-delete except to preserve the warnings about the other site the URL looked loke.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)I am a Hillary supporter
moriah
(8,311 posts)... and pass it off as unbiased.
Totally my bad.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Yes, Bernie would probably lose at this point. I'm for Bernie. But giving anyone 1000 extra votes (I read that a super delegate's one vote was equal to a thousand of our votes) is undemocratic, unjust and people given this undemocratic perk should refuse to use it.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Translation: for sheer personal gain.
But there is one requirement of party membership: obey party rules.
Them's the rules and Bernie has the audacity to use the party for his gain (where's a dime for down ballot races, Bern?) and gripe about party rules.
Hard to see any integrity in that.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Read more carefully please.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)And if they are so undemocratic, why is Bernie working as hard as he can to get them to switch?
He complains loudly about the rule ad nauseum because it doesn't work his way. But like everyone else, he's very quietly playing the game, scrounging for SD support.
I agree that the SD rule should be changed, but for now, that's the rule. And Bernie is a member of the party. So for now, it's a dead issue until after the election when the party convenes to consider national election rules.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Agree with last paragraph but silly to ask Bernie to not play by rules. Is it a rule that you can't ask SD's to change? Really? Didn't they do it for Obama? Somebody is confused here and I don't think it's me...
So, if you're playing chess and you try hard to win legally and by the rules, it's called "scrounging?" Really.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)I just don't believe in Bernie's 'honesty' and 'integrity' as Bernie supporters do. He yells about the rule ad nauseum loud and clear throughout the land, and then very quietly starts lobbying super delegates. They sure don't talk about that much.
If he is so true to his democratic values and so consistent in what he believes, why is Bernie acting like just another pol when he realizes that lobbying for SD, a hopeless task, is the only possible way he might win? But when you look at the results, he's has picked up only one SD in the last couple of weeks. Over the last week, Hillary picked up 11.
Now, why is that? Hillary has 490 endorsements. Bernie has 13. (538.com). Are 490, mostly public and elected officials, are they all corrupt, criminal, evil, hopelessly committed to corporations? Or perhaps there are other less reasons that aren't so adoring. Logically, there must be.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)and those delegates are used to artificially inflate a candidate's delegate count for the purpose of suppressing competition, that's not rigging the election, but encouraging the supers to consider the electability of candidates after they've actually had a chance to size up the field is? That's some high-grade bullshit you're peddling.
I think Sanders may have a tough job ahead of him, convincing the supers that he's the better bet, but he's not rigging the election. His actions are completely within the system the Party set up when they gave superdelegates the power to vote "for the best interests of the party". If they follow previous behavior, they'll back the candidate leading in pledged delegates. If, however, they feel the front-runner doesn't represent our best chance for winning in November, they can vote as they please. You may disagree with that system--I can't say I'm a big fan of it--but that is the way things were set up.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Super Delegates are free to commit, uncommit, or do whatever they choose to do. They don't even have to use their delegate status and vote. I wish somebody would write a primer for Clinton supporters. As I recall, several committed to Clinton in 2008 but they changed their minds.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Clinton supporters. Always sliming.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Is election day. You did not win period end of story. Thus, Bernie will not be the nominee. Supers vote for the one who gets the most delegates. Personally, I do not think Bernie would be good in the General if he can't win a primary
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Here's an idea: let's have the entire general election vote by caucus.
If things go as expected, that just might become the new meme for Bernie's campaign.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)candidate. Clintonites = lowest common denominator. Bernie? Active, informed voters. I know which side I'm on.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Where is the infirmary around here?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)I think they shouldn't consider it - I think they should just do it.