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rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:43 PM Apr 2016

Bernie thinks Superdelegates should consider changing their mind

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/25/bernie-sanders-argues-clinton-superdelegates-deserve-chance-change-minds.html

Let’s talk about principle. Hundreds and hundreds of superdelegates parts of the Democratic establishment voted for Hillary Clinton, or chose to come on board her campaign before I even announced by candidacy, and those people have a right to rethink the decision that they made, and if they conclude that we are the stronger campaign for a dozen different reasons that we are a stronger campaign. And by the way, this is not just talking off the top of my head virtually every poll that’s out there as you know shows that Bernie Sanders does better against Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton does better against other Republican candidates. Should that be taken into consideration? Yeah, I think so.

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Bernie thinks Superdelegates should consider changing their mind (Original Post) rbrnmw Apr 2016 OP
They already have been. One of Bernie's just jumped ship. Lucinda Apr 2016 #1
Sweet delicious irony! nt IamMab Apr 2016 #18
yep from Vermont rbrnmw Apr 2016 #19
Extra tasty. Lucinda Apr 2016 #36
You beat me to it :) nt Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #30
So he wants super delegates to overturn the will of the people. nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 #2
That is pretty much what he said rbrnmw Apr 2016 #3
So much Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #15
He's not threatening them. He's trying to convince them...that's politics. I guess none of you sell snowy owl Apr 2016 #29
He's already insulted all of them and advocated against them having any influence Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #34
he isn't but some of his supporters are rbrnmw Apr 2016 #40
Just a few weeks ago superdelegates were tools of a corrupt & evil DNC. Now he's trying to woo them. baldguy Apr 2016 #4
Right? rbrnmw Apr 2016 #5
Team Used Car Salesmen (Devine Weaver) has good marketing uponit7771 Apr 2016 #9
They are undemocratic tools and should be nixed. morningfog Apr 2016 #11
you can't possibly be serious rbrnmw Apr 2016 #20
They wouldn't. I was explaining that the argument is not morningfog Apr 2016 #24
OK I understand sorry if I came of harsh rbrnmw Apr 2016 #28
He's has to -it's the rules . . . which so many of you keep talking about. "dem's the rules..." snowy owl Apr 2016 #31
he absolutely does not have to rbrnmw Apr 2016 #41
No offense, but until the Primary is called that's not an unbiased source. moriah Apr 2016 #6
I was just shocked he would say that rbrnmw Apr 2016 #8
Please see edit. Jst seen my fellow Hillary supporters use the *other* website I thought that was... moriah Apr 2016 #10
it's cool rbrnmw Apr 2016 #13
Superdelegates should not vote. Refuse to use the undemocratic perk they have. Just say no. snowy owl Apr 2016 #7
Bernie joined the Democratic Party to increase his campaign's "media awareness." kstewart33 Apr 2016 #16
Did say they shouldn't follow the rules? No, I did not. I said SD's are undemocratic. snowy owl Apr 2016 #22
I read your post. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #27
it's called "playing by the rules" he didn't make. Right? snowy owl Apr 2016 #32
I guess we disagree. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #35
Bernie wants to rig the election. That can't be respected. Not one bit. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #12
So, if the superdelegates commit to a candidate before a single vote is cast winter is coming Apr 2016 #21
This is why I dislike communicating with Clintonites. They don't comprehend... snowy owl Apr 2016 #23
That's a tad sensationalistic. Can you prove it? Or is it just more yellow journalism? snowy owl Apr 2016 #33
the most important poll Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #14
But he's done great with caucuses. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #17
So? Put away your crystal ball. Nobody cares. No, Bernie did not win which doesn't mean he isnt best snowy owl Apr 2016 #25
I do too gopiscrap Apr 2016 #26
I'm so shocked rbrnmw Apr 2016 #37
Those clutching pearls while their hero is Under FBI Investigation crack me up in this thread. silvershadow Apr 2016 #38
Kicking! Recommending! lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #39

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
29. He's not threatening them. He's trying to convince them...that's politics. I guess none of you sell
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016

for a living. He's selling himself to voters. Hillary sells herself to the highest bidder. There's a difference you know. You people are sort of on the ridiculous side. Get real.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
34. He's already insulted all of them and advocated against them having any influence
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

above the will of the voters. That's real.


From the Los Angeles Times

Sanders campaign's new strategy on superdelegates leaves some unimpressed
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-sanders-superdelegates-pennsylvania-20160424-story.html

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
4. Just a few weeks ago superdelegates were tools of a corrupt & evil DNC. Now he's trying to woo them.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:48 PM
Apr 2016

And Berniestas say Clinton has a problem with honesty & integrity.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
11. They are undemocratic tools and should be nixed.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

Until that happens, they should either go with Bernie or abstain from voting at the convention.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
20. you can't possibly be serious
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016
they should either go with Bernie or abstain from voting at the convention.


why would that happen if Hillary has the most Pledged Delegates?

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
31. He's has to -it's the rules . . . which so many of you keep talking about. "dem's the rules..."
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

Make up your minds.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
41. he absolutely does not have to
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

do you understand how any of this works? there is no rule that he has to stay in and have a floor fight at the convention.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
6. No offense, but until the Primary is called that's not an unbiased source.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

I would strongly encourage you find other sourcing for such things, at least until we have a nominee and that organization, too, goes to GE footing.

Edit: Sorry, thought that was from Priorities USA, not Politucs USA. Would self-delete except to preserve the warnings about the other site the URL looked loke.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
10. Please see edit. Jst seen my fellow Hillary supporters use the *other* website I thought that was...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

... and pass it off as unbiased.

Totally my bad.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
7. Superdelegates should not vote. Refuse to use the undemocratic perk they have. Just say no.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 09:51 PM
Apr 2016

Yes, Bernie would probably lose at this point. I'm for Bernie. But giving anyone 1000 extra votes (I read that a super delegate's one vote was equal to a thousand of our votes) is undemocratic, unjust and people given this undemocratic perk should refuse to use it.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
16. Bernie joined the Democratic Party to increase his campaign's "media awareness."
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:11 PM
Apr 2016

Translation: for sheer personal gain.

But there is one requirement of party membership: obey party rules.

Them's the rules and Bernie has the audacity to use the party for his gain (where's a dime for down ballot races, Bern?) and gripe about party rules.

Hard to see any integrity in that.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
22. Did say they shouldn't follow the rules? No, I did not. I said SD's are undemocratic.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:44 PM
Apr 2016

Read more carefully please.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
27. I read your post.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016

And if they are so undemocratic, why is Bernie working as hard as he can to get them to switch?

He complains loudly about the rule ad nauseum because it doesn't work his way. But like everyone else, he's very quietly playing the game, scrounging for SD support.

I agree that the SD rule should be changed, but for now, that's the rule. And Bernie is a member of the party. So for now, it's a dead issue until after the election when the party convenes to consider national election rules.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
32. it's called "playing by the rules" he didn't make. Right?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:59 PM
Apr 2016

Agree with last paragraph but silly to ask Bernie to not play by rules. Is it a rule that you can't ask SD's to change? Really? Didn't they do it for Obama? Somebody is confused here and I don't think it's me...

So, if you're playing chess and you try hard to win legally and by the rules, it's called "scrounging?" Really.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
35. I guess we disagree.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:20 PM
Apr 2016

I just don't believe in Bernie's 'honesty' and 'integrity' as Bernie supporters do. He yells about the rule ad nauseum loud and clear throughout the land, and then very quietly starts lobbying super delegates. They sure don't talk about that much.

If he is so true to his democratic values and so consistent in what he believes, why is Bernie acting like just another pol when he realizes that lobbying for SD, a hopeless task, is the only possible way he might win? But when you look at the results, he's has picked up only one SD in the last couple of weeks. Over the last week, Hillary picked up 11.

Now, why is that? Hillary has 490 endorsements. Bernie has 13. (538.com). Are 490, mostly public and elected officials, are they all corrupt, criminal, evil, hopelessly committed to corporations? Or perhaps there are other less reasons that aren't so adoring. Logically, there must be.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
21. So, if the superdelegates commit to a candidate before a single vote is cast
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

and those delegates are used to artificially inflate a candidate's delegate count for the purpose of suppressing competition, that's not rigging the election, but encouraging the supers to consider the electability of candidates after they've actually had a chance to size up the field is? That's some high-grade bullshit you're peddling.

I think Sanders may have a tough job ahead of him, convincing the supers that he's the better bet, but he's not rigging the election. His actions are completely within the system the Party set up when they gave superdelegates the power to vote "for the best interests of the party". If they follow previous behavior, they'll back the candidate leading in pledged delegates. If, however, they feel the front-runner doesn't represent our best chance for winning in November, they can vote as they please. You may disagree with that system--I can't say I'm a big fan of it--but that is the way things were set up.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
23. This is why I dislike communicating with Clintonites. They don't comprehend...
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

Super Delegates are free to commit, uncommit, or do whatever they choose to do. They don't even have to use their delegate status and vote. I wish somebody would write a primer for Clinton supporters. As I recall, several committed to Clinton in 2008 but they changed their minds.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
33. That's a tad sensationalistic. Can you prove it? Or is it just more yellow journalism?
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton supporters. Always sliming.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
14. the most important poll
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:07 PM
Apr 2016

Is election day. You did not win period end of story. Thus, Bernie will not be the nominee. Supers vote for the one who gets the most delegates. Personally, I do not think Bernie would be good in the General if he can't win a primary

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
17. But he's done great with caucuses.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:14 PM
Apr 2016

Here's an idea: let's have the entire general election vote by caucus.

If things go as expected, that just might become the new meme for Bernie's campaign.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
25. So? Put away your crystal ball. Nobody cares. No, Bernie did not win which doesn't mean he isnt best
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

candidate. Clintonites = lowest common denominator. Bernie? Active, informed voters. I know which side I'm on.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
38. Those clutching pearls while their hero is Under FBI Investigation crack me up in this thread.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:59 PM
Apr 2016

Where is the infirmary around here?

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