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Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:10 PM Apr 2016

Jewish group rips Sanders for linking Baltimore, West Bank

A major Jewish advocacy organization on Monday blasted Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) for saying parts of Baltimore and the West Bank have comparable suffering.

“What do the serious issues Baltimore’s leadership and population are confronting have to do with Palestinian life in the West Bank?” American Jewish Committee CEO David Harris asked in a statement.

“Inserting the Israel-Palestinian conflict into unrelated American political discourse serves only one purpose — to encourage those who are narrowly focused on assailing Israel for any shortcomings, failings by the Palestinian Authority.”
Sanders on Saturday said that the worst areas of Baltimore resemble the dire living conditions of some Palestinians in the West Bank.

more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277521-jewish-group-rips-sanders-for-linking-baltimore-west-bank

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Jewish group rips Sanders for linking Baltimore, West Bank (Original Post) Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 OP
Sanders lost the Jewish vote in New York and will lose it again in Maryland Gothmog Apr 2016 #1
Because he wouldn't pander to Israel like Mrs. Clinton nichomachus Apr 2016 #2
He is simply out of step with Jewish voters Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 #5
28 people at our Sedar on Saturday night leftynyc Apr 2016 #7
Good. So glad to see people paying attention. grossproffit Apr 2016 #9
All tuned in professionals leftynyc Apr 2016 #10
High information voters. People the Sanders campaign hates. grossproffit Apr 2016 #11
Have you read leftynyc Apr 2016 #13
Thanks. I hadn't seen this. grossproffit Apr 2016 #16
Polls suggest it will leftynyc Apr 2016 #18
This Jewish person is voting for Sanders Madam Mossfern Apr 2016 #14
I actually GO to Israel leftynyc Apr 2016 #15
So you go to Israel... Madam Mossfern Apr 2016 #17
Where did I say it was leftynyc Apr 2016 #19
"only legitimate Jews..." Madam Mossfern Apr 2016 #20
I didn't say I agreed with them leftynyc Apr 2016 #22
Mainly among those who support the extreme pro-war right-wing regime in Israel. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #3
Sanders Campaign Suspends Jewish Outreach Coordinator Over Netanyahu Comments oberliner Apr 2016 #6
It's just one thing after another with him, isn't it? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #4
He disgusts me. grossproffit Apr 2016 #8
This kind of UNFILTERED "stream-of-consciousness" reminds me of another candidate ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #12
As a Baltimorean, I'd say he's right and the same for D.C. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #21

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
2. Because he wouldn't pander to Israel like Mrs. Clinton
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016

She is shameless in her support of Israel's horrid policies. She's exactly what we don't need in the White House. She's a disgrace.

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
14. This Jewish person is voting for Sanders
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:15 AM
Apr 2016

and so is my sister and the other people at the Seder on Friday night. He has the Jewish Progressive vote. Do you know what kind of conditions Palestinians live under? Do you approve of the illegal settlements by the Brooklyn Orthodox community? It's time to open your eyes and lean more toward Hillel than Shammai.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
15. I actually GO to Israel
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:27 AM
Apr 2016

to see what's going on there so I'm very well aware. Everyone (except for one independent) sitting at that table on Saturday has been a Democrat their entire lives. And the reasons they're not voting for Bernie cover the gamut. They think he's a foreign policy novice, that socialism breeds laziness and when it comes to the I/P debate, they think he's naive (as we all were at one time on that issue). This also covers the ones in their 20s - all voting for Hillary. YOu may want to read the article I linked to above:

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/200643/bernie-sanders-jewish-problem?utm_source=tabletmagazinelist&utm_campaign=1d02012318-Monday_April_25_20164_25_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c308bf8edb-1d02012318-206638286

It may help explain.

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
17. So you go to Israel...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:39 AM
Apr 2016

How does that make your opinion more legitimate? When you go to Israel, do you visit the West Bank and Gaza? I base my political decisions on larger issues facing the United States. "Socialism breeds laziness?" Honestly? Do you know anything about the founding of Israel? Do you consider those particular Socialists lazy?

I'll read your article later, but I don't base my opinions on a narrowly focused publication.

That which is unpleasant to you, do not to your neighbor. That is the whole law and the rest but it's exposition.

Rabbi Hillel (fl. 30 BC - 10 AD)
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
19. Where did I say it was
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:45 AM
Apr 2016

more legitimate? What's with the Bernie supporters shoving words into people's mouths? I DO think actually being in Israel gives one a broader sense of the story but saying it's more legitimate are your words, not mine. Is Israel still an entirely socialist country? No, it's not. Because they also know that socialist countries are not known for their innovation. It HAD to be started as socialist country - so many of the founding members had NOTHING as they were just leaving the camps. The article isn't about the socialism - it's about the ridiculous notion that the only "legitimate Jews" are those like Bernie.

Madam Mossfern

(2,340 posts)
20. "only legitimate Jews..."
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

Who said that?
It was you who was implying the opposite in your post.
You coined the term "lazy Socialist," not me.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
22. I didn't say I agreed with them
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

about socialism making a people intellectually lazy - they asked me which socialist country was known for innovation - I couldn't come up with one. Can you? We ALL believe in a social safety net - welfare, social security, that's why we're all Democrats which is not the same thing as believing in socialism. Between state and federal, some of us are paying over 45% of our income in taxes - we don't want to be paying even more. NONE of us use off shore tax shelters - we love our country.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
3. Mainly among those who support the extreme pro-war right-wing regime in Israel.
Mon Apr 25, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

Do you unconditionally support that regime?

I hope not.

Progressive Jewish people in Israel and the United States are opposed to the reactionary and racist policies of the right-wing regime.

Many are supporting Bernie Sanders.


Bernie Sanders’ new Jewish outreach director is outspoken critic of Israeli occupation
By Uriel Heilman

http://www.jta.org/2016/04/12/news-opinion/politics/sanders-campaigns-new-jewish-outreach-director-is-outspoken-critic-of-israeli-occupation
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
6. Sanders Campaign Suspends Jewish Outreach Coordinator Over Netanyahu Comments
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:40 AM
Apr 2016
Simone Zimmerman’s tenure at the Bernie Sanders campaign might be over before it started. Days after her appointment as the campaign’s new Jewish outreach coordinator, the New York Times reports that Zimmerman was suspended after disparaging comments she had made about Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu came to light.

On Wednesday, the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative outlet, dug up a Facebook post of Zimmerman’s from last March in which she wrote: “Bibi Netanyahu is an arrogant, deceptive, cynical, manipulative asshole … Fuck you, Bibi, for daring to insist that you legitimately represent even a fraction of Jews in this world.”

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/sanders-camp-suspends-simone-zimmerman.html

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. It's just one thing after another with him, isn't it?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:02 AM
Apr 2016

After another after another after another. Does he think before speaking? How can someone like this be trusted to have the job of Commander in Chief? He can't just go around blurting out whatever comes into his head. No matter how good the analogy may seem at the time, he needs to be better prepared. He's just not ready ... and apparently the voters who are paying attention are realizing that too.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. This kind of UNFILTERED "stream-of-consciousness" reminds me of another candidate ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:56 AM
Apr 2016

... who's willing to say whatever without regard to the truth, accuracy, or who it may offend. The fact that Bernie's gotten to the "anything goes" stage, and the "fuck-it, what have we got to lose" mentality... well ... it's clear to me that they KNOW they're not going to win the nomination, and so what other choice do they have than to "let 'er rip" and "get 'er done"

Ugh! Looks like the paragon of honesty and virtue is just like any other politician after all. (We've always known this, so it's absolutely no surprise to me ... but it's good to have the hypocrisy of his supporters laid out in plain view for all to behold.)

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
21. As a Baltimorean, I'd say he's right and the same for D.C.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:07 AM
Apr 2016

The only difference is bombs aren't dropping, but as far as living conditions, they're pretty bad in some places. And overall, both cities have changed a LOT for the worse since the 1960s prior to the riots.

The money grubbers running amok, and the drug dealers' influx up and down I-95 has been horrific.

I'm glad he's bringing up things like this and he's the ONLY one doing it. It's about time someone did. Most civic leaders are too busy sucking up to the graft machine that all of them are part of like some infected country club, to disturb everyone's hypothetical fantasies of personal prosperity which only the few at the top actually have.

Until recently, the 99% didn't realize that nobody was on our side anymore. We thought we had few leaders. But no, that isn't the case. And hasn't been for some time.

Anybody bashing Sanders for this is despicable.

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