2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI was deleted from a Bernie Group on FB now I tried to post on another (nothing bad) now 4 more grps
and I could not. Here is an article from Reddit. That Million Dollars from good old Hillary is actually attacking the FB groups for Bernie Sanders.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4ggmpi/bernie_groups_are_gone_from_facebook_urgent/
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)From the above link: "Groups with 30-60 thousand people - ACTIVE groups are suddenly gone it's seriously hard to believe. When the last couple are gone too thousands of people will lose their way of staying connected."
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)I reported some porn images a few weeks back and FB told me there was nothing wrong with them. Then I was not getting any Bernie Groups notices in my newsfeed at all. Then I noticed there was a huge drop in likes on some sites as if they used algorithms to knock back numbers. This is not a democracy people. It has left the station.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,629 posts)It's not a good situation.
I'm going to link your post to the Bernie Sanders Group, if you don't mind.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,629 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,629 posts)HERE IS THE SOURCE OF OUR BERNIE PAGE SHUT DOWNS:
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Click on the pic and you can see that it's "Casey Champagne"'s post bragging about reporting and having shut down a Bernie page for "threats of violence".
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,629 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Click on the pic and you can see that it's "Casey Champagne"'s post bragging about reporting and having shut down a Bernie page for "threats of violence".
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Crazy stuff!
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)#BernieorBust, Bernie Sanders Is My Hero, Bernie Sanders Activists, Bernie Believers
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)Bernie Sanders for President 2016 (118k members), Bernie Sanders 2016, Bernie Sanders 2016 - Ideas Welcome, Bernie Sanders Activists, Bernie Believers, and Bernie Sanders is my HERO.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)How in the F can you attribute this to Hillary without proof?
insta8er
(960 posts)n? maybe anonymous, no they hate hillary....hmmm...wait, who hates Bernie? Hillary? nah...cannot possible be.
dchill
(38,502 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)she sees all and controls all
we are just cogs in the great Hillary Clinton oligarch Illuminati machine
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Response to metroins (Reply #7)
Name removed Message auto-removed
metroins
(2,550 posts)And other HRC supporters.
Way to go.
You haven't shown any proof of anything, just insults.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Bernie. Up threadbtherenismamfacebookmscreenshot of one troll bragging he got. Bernie FB page brought down. He is also a Hillary supporter.
So it is Hillary supporters shutting down Bernie sites, not actually Hills herself. But then, she doesn't dirty her hands. It's always up to the help.
insta8er
(960 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)still there . as well as Bernie Sanders for President 2016. I have no idea what these people are talking about.
WolverineDG
(22,298 posts)Response to WolverineDG (Reply #165)
dlwickham This message was self-deleted by its author.
Marr
(20,317 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)There's no need to spend time arguing about every single shit flinging troll attack, when your candidate has an undisputed Shit Flinging Troll fund.
metroins
(2,550 posts)This thread is full of inflammatory remarks about Clinton with unsubstantiated claims.
I am educating you that this was not Clinton supporters.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Here's some shit flung by trolls.
Stop equivocating and own it.
metroins
(2,550 posts)Sanders has a 16 million dollar Shit Flinging Troll fund.
But honestly, I do not care anymore about Bernie Sanders Presidency campaign. Hillary had the election won in early March, it's been a fun 1 1/2 months since then, but there is no reason to pay attention to Bernie Sanders campaign. The voters, sure....the campaign, nope.
So I'll end it here.
Have a good night watching the primary results.
Marr
(20,317 posts)We're talking about the Hillary campaign's $1 million fund for online trolls. Sanders doesn't have such a fund, Hillary does.
metroins
(2,550 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)surprise surprise surprise
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)Surprise?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)was wait a few minutes.
Petrushka
(3,709 posts)As of 23:55 ET all groups pages affected appear to be back up and running. Thank you all for your concern and reporting on the situation. Let's go onwards and focus on getting more victories!
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)I've seen nothing to indicate that Clinton controls facebook.
So why did facebook remove the groups?
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)but the simplest explanation is that Facebook took down the group
Occums razor and all that...
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)The net is the enemy of those who want to win bad enough to stop those who are not voting for them. She said tonight she does not care about Bernie's supporters or his issues. And then so confident "I'm winning"
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'm not jumping to any conclusions but it's kinda odd.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)Facebook has its own rules
you show a breastfeeding breast...and you are censored
but a stripper breast is okay
Show a fat naked lady and you are censored, though skinny naked ladies are okay
I would imagine that promoting violence against individuals will also shut you down
maybe the groups were passing around fat naked hillary breastfeeding the Koch bros pics
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)This stinks something fierce!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)the whole thing.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'll fill it in and see what happens.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)I'm not disputing what you are saying I just can't verify at the moment.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)The one I was on was Bernie Sanders Discussion Group.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Over 400,000 members in the 4 groups affected. That's 400,000 more people definately not going to vote for Hillary in Nov. Correct The Record's trolls are doing a lot of damage to her.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that her own campaign is going to be part of what does her candidacy in.
Well, that and being dumb enough to hire David Brock.
ALittleBirdie
(91 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I expect they'll be back up in a day or so, but it does hurt networking and GOTV in states voting tomorrow. Typical Clintonian scorched earth dirty tactics. Not a chance of those group members voting for her in Nov now. One more example why she's so hated.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)After a review, it was reinstated. You can read about it on the page you keep linking to.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)I've reported pages that showed violence against animals and Facebook leaves them up. You have got to be fucking kidding me with this crap.
enid602
(8,620 posts)Maybe Bernie himself had the sites taken down so when he loses tomorrow he'll have a good excuse.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)That's
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)supports the people striking against one of her campaign contributors. She should return that money, for starters. I don't believe she has ever spent time on a picket line with union labor to any sicnigicant degree whatsoever, nor do I believe she pays labor anything but lip service.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Time's up, nothing of substance here. Bye.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)the Bernie Groups with thousands of people are GONE>>>GONE>>>GONE>>> there is nothing to show there was ever those groups. One was called Bernie Sanders is my Hero. The other one I belonged to was Bernie Sanders Discussion Group.
Bull Shit!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)reinstated.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Followed your link and there it was. This whole thing sounds like BS to me. How can they claim it's not there when it is?
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)but there are several groups so I'm not sure if I seeing a different one than you expect
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And there is a closed group called "Bernie Sanders Discussion Group" that is still up. But it only has 12 members. Are you sure about that name?
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)nt
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)can't find it to tell you but this one you have does not look like it. It had Bernie shadowed by blue.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)something wrong with your connection, because I can and so can others here.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Every dumbass stunt costs Hill votes.
You'd think Clinton, Inc. learned a lesson.......this mess always backfires on her, always.
for shooting her campaign in the foot again and again and again.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)the ones with his supporters thousands.
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)This is the most active they've been in weeks.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)This is on reddit:
"We need a list (and screen caps if you got 'em) of the pages you're taking about here, so that the campaign can ask Facebook about them.
Please help all of us help you."
They said they were spending 1 million to go after Bernie supporters on the net...so HRC group what do you think.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Interesting
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Can you post a Screenshot of the group?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)So why hasn't he or she followed the link to see that the site is working.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Thousands belong to it.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)with that name? Maybe they changed their background color. That happens sometimes.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)any evidence. Most of these things turn out to be completely different than the imaginations of those who "react" without knowing what's going on.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)"Please share this to any Bernie groups you're in. The "online activist" group Hillary's super PAC hired(basically paid trolls) are striking tonight. By spamming the "report post to Facebook" feature on posts in Bernie groups, they've successfully shut down 3 of the largest Bernie groups within the past 20 minutes. Bernie Believers, Bernie Activists, and Bernie Sanders is my Hero had over 120,000 group members.
Don't panic! This should only be temporary until Facebook reviews the situation. Forgetting for a moment that this is easily one of the slimiest tactics I've ever seen in politics, you can still go to reddit to keep current on what's going on in the campaign. They hit us the night before tomorrow's primaries for a reason. Stay organized and stay informed."
And Bernie Sanders Discussion Group.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I've seen it posted 100x on reddit without verification.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Most think they will be back and aren't sure who could have pulled this off, though they seem convinced that any HRC group isn't sophisticated enough.
Edit, for instance: https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4ggmpi/bernie_groups_are_gone_from_facebook_urgent/d2hg9ox
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)with Bernie supporters on the news yesterday and then this happens. Excuse me! A million bucks can pull this off!
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Makes no sense for HRC to do this. Can you think of a logical reason? Phone banking is shut down - it's after 11 EST.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)so hard that you found it posted 100x?
Oh, wait. Nevermind.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)"UPDATE - now SIX of the largest Bernie groups have disappeared from Facebook within the last 15min's! I've given the link to this Reddit as a way to stay in touch for people who had never been on or heard of Reddit.
Edit to add - they have now also removed Bernie Sanders for President 2016 (118k members) and Bernie Sanders 2016 - Ideas Welcome. Both are now gone. Along with Bernie Sanders Activists, Bernie Believers and Bernie Sanders is my HERO."
This is how you control the masses cut off their ability to talk to each other...this is disgusting!
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)I have no idea why some can't but they're all there for me.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)I wonder if there is a strategic aspect?
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Can't you see this? But the OP claims the site is down.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1659435744327248/
Dem2
(8,168 posts)It's probably a prank.
insta8er
(960 posts)we can only assume who it could be, I wonder who could hate Bernie so much that he/she would do something like this..clearly not the right wing guys right? because they hate Hillary she proudly tells us (yeah right, Koch?).
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)supporters. You think there is a connection? Wasn't that just yesterday and tonight is the night before the 5 state primaries. Bet rigging tomorrow's primary and censoring discussion or petitions they just want what they want.
insta8er
(960 posts)Forcefully refute it (without proof, facts or anything).Seems to be working for them... but yes I have heard and being in IT myself I just hope the anon guys will not start retaliating.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)insta8er
(960 posts)This happened to about 4 Bernie groups that I am a member off. That prompted me to try and find out what was going on.
Found the notifications:
Kerry N Laura changed the privacy of the group Bernie Buzz from Public to Closed.
Shaun Buchite changed the privacy of the group BERN-ING BRIGHTLY!! from Closed to Secret.
Andrea Kennedy changed the privacy of the group Bernie's Revolutionaries! from Public to Closed.
Diane Dalton changed the privacy of the group A Purple Revolution for Bernie Sanders; For The BI-par...
So I don't know if the admins try to bounce any attempts to shut them down by making the groups closed or if what others are saying that the groups were being closed by the FB report system. If there is something that is so un-democratic as hell it is to stop the ability of others to voice their opinion.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)if some were closed, how do you know the owners of the groups didn't decide to do it for whatever reason? Have you tried to contact them?
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)my list of comments completely. Like it does not exist any longer.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)My sig pics just came back.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)into thin air the day before another primary fight.
These fuckers will never, ever, ever get my vote. I'm done. This whole primary makes me want to puke.
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY. I'll vote down ticket, but I will not lend my support to this travesty of a candidate. I'm also going to let my family and friends know why I won't be casting my vote for Hillary in the general if it comes to that.
BERNIE OR BUST.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)should be called "Demockery in progress"
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)But Facebook working quickly now to restore them
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Here is one the OP was claiming was down, but I could view it right after the OP was posted.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1659435744327248/
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)radical noodle
(8,003 posts)I can see posts on Bernie Believers and I'm not even a member.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Now restored.
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)Glad to hear they're back up.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)radical noodle
(8,003 posts)when they were back up. Peace
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I don't care who you support.
That's shit.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)My Photobucket sig pic links have also crapped out though the photos show up in Photobucket so let's hope it's all better soon.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Nice try.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)I thought the criticism of you was unfair.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)to make me look bad for something I knew nothing about. I don't know what had happened that the poster was talking about and I explained that. Renew Deal
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)And aggressive on their part. Maybe you're doing something that's setting these people off? People in these protected groups are very sensitive these days.
RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)Ignore the noise and do ya thang!
writes3000
(4,734 posts)Why would Clinton and her team do this on the eve of winning several more primaries? She wouldn't. She already has the advantage and the momentum.
But the Bernie campaign and their supporters would benefit from this tonight. First, they need to put out a story that there are thousands of fake Clinton out there with bad intentions....etc, etc.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)What are people doing after 11PM on election night besides chatting amongst themselves?
writes3000
(4,734 posts)But many of the Bernie folks want to delegitimize every Clinton win. Including tomorrow's.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)into OR and CA, states that have not voted yet.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I also posted about this after you did. LOL
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Bernie's going to lose tomorrow because FACEBOOK GROUPGATE.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)But there's just as much reason to believe it was an inside job as it was a ploy by Anonymous to motivate Bernie supporters. HRC who's sitting in a good position before these primaries? Way down the list IMO.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)We didn't lose, we was cheated!
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I can feel that sick feeling in my gut when I feel like something is about to implode due to human frailties.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)And I just picked one site..there are plenty more that are reporting this:
"A Super PAC headed by a longtime Clinton operative is spending $1 million to hire online trolls to "correct" Bernie Sanders' supporters on social media. Correct The Record (CTR), which is operated by Clinton attack dog and new owner of Blue Nation Review David Brock, launched a new initiative this week called "Barrier Breakers 2016" for the purpose of debating supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders -- or "Bernie Bros," as they're referred to in Correct the Record's press official release -- on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, and other social media platforms. The "Barrier Breakers" will also publicly thank Hillary Clinton's superdelegates and fans for supporting her campaign. The paid trolls are professional communicators, coming from public relations and media backgrounds. "The task force staff's backgrounds are as diverse as the community they will be engaging with and include former reporters, bloggers, public affairs specialists, designers, Ready for Hillary alumni, and Hillary super fans who have led groups similar to those with which the task force will organize," CTR stated.
https://politics.slashdot.org/story/16/04/22/059204/pro-clinton-super-pac-caught-spending-1-million-on-social-media-trolls
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Well you know the rest . . .
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Please, you're embarrassing yourself.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Other than vacations to Rome and a down payment for Tad Devine's yacht, that is.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Why do you assume they'd spend big cake to commit suicide?
No, this is somebody taking advantage of the extreme paranoia of many Bernie supporters.
This is when people like yourself need to step back and think before acting.
It makes no sense what you're suggesting. Really none. This has to be a set-up. Don't fall for it...
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)You posted that you thought the Hillary group was behind this, I say that's wrong and paranoid thinking.
That is NOT name calling, it's my opinion.
wysi
(1,512 posts)Cha-ching!
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Has nothing to do with Hillary or the CTR PAC (was it CTR or did they just announce? ) anyway...nothing to do with anyone but the groups creators, or FB itself.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)to mass alert on the Bernie Facebook groups. Apparently the algorithm states that when a bunch of alerts are received the group is shut down automatically until a review takes place. By that time the organizing time for tomorrow's primary will be lost. But the groups will likely be back up after a review shows the alerts are bogus. Hillary Clinton has debased the political process to an astonishing level.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I assume this is supposition...
Chezboo
(230 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)That's not how any of this works.
jillan
(39,451 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)Do you really think there are millions of people out there who were actually considering voting for Hillary who will now withold their vote because? I don't think so. The Bernie or bust troops decided weeks or months ago that they'd never vote for Hillary. Those ranks aren't growing. They are what they always have been: a fringe of a fringe.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)If Ds are roughly half the population, and Sanders supporters as a whole are less than half of the D population, and only 25% of that subset of a subset won't vote for Hillary, then, yeah, that's a fringe.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)"I am/was an Admin at Bernie Sanders is my Hero. We've been taken down by FB along with Bernie Believers and Bernie Activists. Please spread the word on Twitter w/#suppressed and contact The Young Turks. We are being censored, silenced, suppressed the night before a crucial 5 state primary! This was no accident. It was a coordinated attack!!!" https://twitter.com/search?q=bernie%20groups%20shut%20down&src=typd
Note yesterday ElectionJustice.org was shut down too.
Chezboo
(230 posts)Tonight, Facebook has shut down 3 of the main Bernie Sanders forums-- Bernie Believers, Bernie Sanders Activists, and Bernie Sanders is My Hero, which between all three groups, account for approximately 150,000 people.
Today, several very vocal activists, came onto the forums to advise that their accounts were shut down directly after the NY primary and had just been reactivated today.
Last week, the FB page for Election Justice USA (the group behind the NY election fraud lawsuit) was removed from FB for over a week directly after the NY primary, and they've been fighting to get it reinstated despite FB not responding.
This is not what Democracy looks like Facebook. If Clinton can only win by denying Sanders supporters their right to speech, she shouldn't be running for the highest office in our country.
Facebook gets paid by us enduring their advertisements and just because Mark Zuckerberg supports Clinton doesn't mean they get to shut down the voice of the opposition.
We all need to shed light on the lengths the establishment has gone, and will continue to go, to silence us - please share this injustice. Copied and pasted
xloadiex
(628 posts). they said delete Bernie's VOTES. I'm sure they will get it straightened out by tomorrow.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)/done with topic.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)seems so to me.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Click on the pic and you can see that it's "Casey Champagne"'s post bragging about reporting and having shut down a Bernie page for "threats of violence".
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1578373369120191/permalink/1578386305785564/
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Threat of violence, that is.
By the way, I belong to a couple closed groups (for FB games), and it's not uncommon for admin to open them to allow adding people, then close them again.
glinda
(14,807 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)and then alerted in it.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Now that it was proved to be just a glitch that affected many more groups than just Bernie groups.
writes3000
(4,734 posts)Too much fun screaming righteous indignation.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)What shall we do?
dana_b
(11,546 posts)it's the best solution
MFM008
(19,814 posts)stil working on the others... lol.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)attacked by Bernie-bots?
djean111
(14,255 posts)Reddit folks and Facebook folks figured out what was going on, and who is responsible, within seconds.
This is either monumentally stupid, or monumentally nasty for the thrill of being nasty. Actually, both things would cover her campaign.
reddread
(6,896 posts)and she will slit the throats of any available goat to get what she wants?
djean111
(14,255 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)would be a hack and cause for immediate ban.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I saw "Daily Beast" and was skeptical, but I'm not one of those who disregards information based upon source.