2016 Postmortem
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In the Democratic nomination process, entrance polls have shown that Hilary Clinton has been supported by the majority of registered Democratic Party voters while Bernie Sanders has done better among who self identify as independent. In fact, Hilary has won almost every caucuses and primary which was closed, where only registered Democrats were allow to vote. Sanders has done much better in caucuses and primaries which were open to all voters meaning that independents and Republicans could also vote. So that brought up a question in my mind who are these independents who are voting for Bernie Sanders.I used to think that all of the independents voters were moderates. I assumed they are people who did not want to be associated with either political party either because they are tired to the partisan gridlock in Washington and/or because they were unhappy with move of the Republican Party further to the right and the Democrats further to the left.
There are a lot of these so called independents out there. Gallup has done annual polling on the subject for years and currently 29% of Americans self identify as Democrats, 26% as Republicans, and 42% identify as independents. That leaves about 3% who I assume belong to third parties or never bother to vote.
I said so called independents because while they may not want to be identified as Democrats or Republicans 16% of those polled said they were independents who voted reliably for Democrats and another 16% were independents who voted reliably with the Republicans. So when we add in the 29% Democrats from above we come up with 45% who vote reliably for Democratic candidates. In the same manner we come with 26% + 16% = 42% of Americans who vote reliably Republican. That leaves only 10% of Americans who are truly independent, who might vote for a Democratic candidate in one election and a Republican in the next. I used to think that all of the independents were moderates. It looks like these 10% are only ones who are the true moderate independents in the middle.
Over the last few months have come to realize that there are a number of independents who are politically on the far left and have left the Democratic Party because it wasnt liberal enough for their tastes.
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LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)They can claim they are but that would be a lie.
Regarding all state parties amending their rules to close primaries to just Democrats that would not be possible except through the caucuses. All primaries are conducted under state laws. The state laws determine the date, hours, and locations. Maybe a threat to state legislators that the Democratic Party will not participate in a primary might make it happen. The citizens would not be happy about conducting an election that only one party participates and paid with taxpayer money.
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CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)...that the political parties paid for primaries and caucuses in at least some of the states. I am certainly aware that each state party has its own rules and in some states one party's primary might be open and the other closed. So I'm confused.
LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)Primaries are run by local election boards under authority of state law. There is at least one state that provides parties the option of open or closed. Otherwise, state law determines whether they are closed or open.
Some states will consider changing the date of Presidential primary that is different from the usual date.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)Independent is used in a variety of ways to try and pigeonhole voters who simply choose not to be affiliated with a political party.
It's not some deep, dark secret. It's not nefarious, underhanded, or wrong.
It only pisses off the pundits and the pollsters who can't get a good handle on people who don't wear their political leanings on their sleeve.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)How in hell can you tell. Hillary is a (D) and so is Senator Warren. One ran to fight Wall Street because she saw our government ie Obama letting them get away with Fraud. Other ran to take money from Wall Street. And after NY/PA I am confused about Clinton's stance on guns. In NY she was all about how she would pass laws that would cause gun manufactures to stop making guns because of lawsuits. And now in PA she is all I'm a rootin tootin cowgirl who grew up shootin with my dear old pappy.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)...a girl who grew up shooting guns with her father and an adult who wants to pass laws to limit access to guns, especially to those who shouldn't have them.
Politicians often emphasis different sides of themselves to different types of people. So what?
It must be working - she won NY by 16 points and is set to win Pennsylvania by a like margin. Maybe Sanders could learn something - he has the same boring talking points wherever he goes and its really getting real old.