that she made those statements when said supporter complained that Bernie Sanders was politically blackmailing her (yes, it stunned the fuck out of me, too).

with Tim Robbins stating the obvious!

Bernie must stay in because who knows, H must be saying in private,

Meanwhile, Clinton learned the lessons of 2008 and is running a near-clone of Obama's 2008 campaign.

Sanders hired the Obama media company, Revolution Media, while Clinton hired Obama's delegate team. Is there any doubt which one was the winning strategy?

Bernie could not be more different from Hillary. I request that you reconsider your comment, because its completely wrong.

His philosophy is diametrically opposed to Hillary's. They are not similar.

Which is doubly funny that she is supposedly running an Obama campaign while stabbing him in the back.

She done lawyered up and some of her underlings are singing. The FBI is right wingers, too. They are hot on her trail. She knows it.

Cant get any more right wing than that.

some left-winger endorsed Ted Cruz. He's now a left-winger."

I believe it was only one of the Koch brothers. Must everything be so blown out of proportion when it comes to Hillary AND Bernie too. It's gets a bit old.

Whatever happened to discussing REAL matters of importance?

The fact remains that at least one of the Kochs is on record saying, in effect, that he would be OK with a Clinton presidency.

If he's saying it, don't doubt for a second that it's a popular (if largely unspoken) sentiment among the 1%.

It's misleading using quotation marks for things that someone never said.

"I'm staying in case Obama gets assassinated" as the original post claims. It even uses quotation marks that indicate that's what she said. It's just flat out false.

If you'd like to provide a full quote feel free.

Is exactly what she said.

Feel free to explain how the OP is mischaracterizing the meaning behind that.

The meaning behind it is similar. The actual quote is not the same. As I've said elsewhere here, I don't think it's that awful of an argument to make for staying in a race. It's similar to the arguments being advanced for why Sanders should stay in the race. Someone can die, be killed in a car crash, be indicted, everyone hasn't voted yet. Whatever. It would have been highly offensive if Clinton had used the exact words as quoted, considering that candidate Obama was still alive.

You'd have to be pretty dumb to think she was not implying exactly what the OP said.

RFK was assassinated, so I'm staying in. How, exactly, is that not implicitly stating she was staying in in case Obama was assassinated?

You know what, you don't need to bother to answer. It's abundantly clear you don't actually give a fuck about her actual history.

Simple.

Another argument that I've seen some Sanders supporters (not you) use is that Hillary could die. It's not out of the ordinary. People die.

And it wasn't "he could die." The statement from Hillary suggested that the first black nominee could be assassinated. She made the statement while violent racism was ramping up in response to Obama's rise. It was horribly offensive.

an Obama supporter. I guess I've forgiven that comment because she served well with President Obama. I came into the thread because I didn't like the attribution being made with direct quotes that are not accurate (in the original post). We all get outraged about different things. There are enough reasons to criticize Clinton or Sanders based on accurate quotes. Have a good evening!

If you think that then you really do not pay attention to Foreign policy at all. Hillary left as SoS because Obama did not give her another term. He has said that his first term his FP was his biggest embarrassment. All the mistakes he made he was swayed by HRC War Hawk policies.
He is just not such a scumbag he would throw her under the boss like she has done to him in some speeches. Well not her but Bill has and since she has been running on coattails of him she is responsible for what he says.

...but that the reference came during the batshit-crazy wingnuts' Muslim-Kenyan-socialist-Marxist-dictator era makes it uncomfortably close to certain Teahadist wet dreams of 2nd Amendment solutions.

In context, well, it's a lame pose and a lie. Clinton stayed in the race because she is ambitious, and wanted to win as much as she could. Saying that, though, probably would have offended even more people.

1. It ain't over, he hasn't lost; and
2. As he has said so many times, but many just refuse to understand it, he/we are fighting a POLITICAL REVOLUTION! Whether he wins or loses the Primary the revolution will continue! Before someone gets their panties/boxers in a knot, no he is not thinking of running as an Independent, probably too late if he did. But he continues to get his message out and it continues to resonate and grow our movement. We are sick and tired of the corruption caused by campaign donations, many from the Oligarch's/Plutocrats supporting Hillary. The most recent being the Koch brothers!

didn't say it until you do a little research. She did.

Those are Her own words.

Feel free to explain how the OP is a mischaracterization of what she said.

The primary in 1968 was still contested in June. She didn't say that she is staying in the primary in case Obama got assassinated.

In addition, there are plenty of other cases where the primary lasted longer.

Instead, she decided to talk about assassination. So, is she utterly tone-deaf and unable to comprehend the implications of her statements, or was she talking about Obama getting assassinated?

But a lot of people would thereby be reminded that the primary did go into June because people do remember when RFK was assassinated. The charitable interpretation is just that it was a historical reference point that was incidental to her point and not intended to suggest anything about the possibility of Obama being assassinated. I guess I can agree that it was tone deaf, given the context. But given the horrible shit that Hillary has done, I ain't gonna worry too much about a little tone deafness.

I can see why you might favor a less charitable interpretation and maybe we will have to agree to disagree.

... Hillary stating, "I'm staying in case Obama gets assassinated"?

TIA!!!

She was staying in because RFK was assassinated in June. So, the implication was pretty clear. Totally disgusting woman. Just the sort of woman we DON'T need in the White House. Anyone who doesn't see how scurrilous her remarks were needs to do some soul searching.

... she was "staying in because RFK was assassinated in June".

She was responding to the fact that she was staying in the race, and that it was not unusual to do so. She pointed out how long Bill stayed in, and mentioned that RFK was assassinated in June because MOST PEOPLE KNOW that he was assassinated while still campaigning in June - in fact, within minutes of giving a campaign speech.

There was no "implication" - it was an association to a date that MOST PEOPLE would remember, and the fact that Bobby was assassinated while STILL campaigning.

Jesus Hussein Christ. The straw-grasping has now reached epic proportions.

when she was in sixth grade.

She outgrew it well before high school.

And most people would associate the date with the fact that RFK was still campaigning at the time it happened.

I was an absolutely rabid Obama Girl in '08 - and I never saw that comment of Hillary's to mean anything but what it was meant to convey: that Bobby was STILL on the campaign trail in JUNE when tragedy struck.

Nice try at rewriting history.

because of RFK's assassination.

Clinton was attempting to justify staying in the race despite the mathematical impossibility of a win due to RFK being assassinated.

You're trying to reduce the offense of that statement by implying RFK was staying in the race, similar to Clinton staying in the 2008 primary. That way you can pretend Clinton was not talking about Obama getting assassinated.

I have NO idea what you're trying to say.

to have a race still not wrapped up by June. She gave examples of other primaries that were still going on in June. She mentioned her husband's race. She mentioned the 1968 race, and she accented the word JUNE.

There wasn't even a conversation taking place about whether or not she could still win.

Hillary, for better or worse, had rejected the argument that the pledged delegate winner was the rightful nominee. She had rejected it for months, and the Obama supporters criticized her for rejecting it. The assertion you are making is premised on the notion that Hillary was in agreement with the PD count argument.

2008 was the first time that the PD winner was regarded as the de facto automatic winner and that pledged delegates were treated as the equivalent of electoral votes. A new precedent was set in that election. The last race that had been close enough to make it an issue was in 1984, which was just 12 years after the people started picking then nominees in 1972.

So it was to be expected that in 2008 there would still be contention over that point. Clinton and her supporters were pointing to other standards, like who won the states that, taken together, constituted a majority of the electoral college in the general election.

I was really on her case in those days, wasn't I?

I didn't recall feeling anything untoward about the comment at the time - but I guess being a rabid Obama Girl, I was quick to jump on anything.

In retrospect, I still don't think it was a matter of "I'm staying in because Obama could be assassinated".

"Jesus Hussein Christ. The straw-grasping has now reached epic proportions." Today
"Jesus H. Christ. The idea that anyone would make excuses for this behaviour is almost as sickening as the behaviour itself." 8 years ago.
Sure in the hell looks like you felt something about her comment. "Still don't think" Ohh so now you never thought or wrote any of that. You sure know how to spin don't ya?

I remember that, made everyone sick.

for him to stay in the race. I don't have a problem with it. But that's the argument. That she could die or be killed or be indicted. I actually think it's an okay argument to use. But it shouldn't be used in quotation marks that put words into the person's mouth that the person didn't actually use.

when referring to an AA candidate, IMHO. That went over the top for everyone.

& it's incredulous, on so many levels, that she thought that it was a fitting thing to say.

too much ambition no moral compass.

The lights are on, but not a soul in sight.

That isn't even close to what Hillary was saying. The conversation wasn't even about whether she could still win. They were talking about whether it hurt party unity to still have a race on-going in June. Hillary gave a number of examples of other races that were still going on in June, like her husband's race in 1992 and the Kennedy race in 1968.

was first reported.

How low will you Bernie-bots go?

If you're really bothered by it then you can take comfort in the fact that it never happened.

That isn't even close to what Hillary was saying. The conversation wasn't even about whether she could still win. They were talking about whether it hurt party unity to still have a race on-going in June. Hillary gave a number of examples of other races that were still going on in June, like her husband's race in 1992 and the Kennedy race in 1968.

should remain in the race until the convention.

...at the party. He'll get to speak at the convention, negotiate some planks in the platform, and generally do what candidates who make a good showing but lose.