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kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:21 AM Apr 2016

Why are some people and news orgs now using a (I) after his name now and calling him an Indie?

Has he rejected the Democratic-Socialist label now? Does this mean he may now going to run as an Independent if he doesn't get the Dem nomination?

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Why are some people and news orgs now using a (I) after his name now and calling him an Indie? (Original Post) kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 OP
Maybe because they consider the primaries over and he is listed as an Indy still for his Lucinda Apr 2016 #1
I saw some on here posting it and then on a few media outlets. Makes me a bit nervous. kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #4
Why? He said he only ran as a D for the media and party benefits. He was correct Lucinda Apr 2016 #8
So he used the party and now that he didn't win he sees no reason to stay a Dem? brush Apr 2016 #12
I guess we will see if he changes his designation for the Senate run. Lucinda Apr 2016 #15
well as long as you won't think less of him. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #51
Yes, but he was not found pure enough. But the funny thing is that the D's need insta8er Apr 2016 #25
Don't you have that backwards? Seems everyone but Bernie supporters in the party are not . . . brush Apr 2016 #36
No, the above posters are talking out of their asses. He's staying a Dem. morningfog Apr 2016 #57
Links to anybody doing this? And the answer to your second question is no. eom mikehiggins Apr 2016 #2
Have seen on this board and then on CNN and on MSNBC. Will try to provide a link next time I see kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #9
He's already filed the necessary paperwork ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #3
I figured as much. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #5
No one ever explained to BS ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #10
suck and blow,that a technique of yours there nance? lol wendylaroux Apr 2016 #56
And you can't talk and listen at the same time. I get the impression ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #59
That became apparent ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #63
lol,sound like a child,your not in our club,you don't think like we do, wendylaroux Apr 2016 #54
Ok- hopefully that's it.... kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #6
Bullshit jfern Apr 2016 #20
I doubt this was a decision from the campaign. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #7
I saw a Sanders supporter on here using it. Then saw it on CNN/MSNBC. Maybe I'm making too kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #11
OK smile dunno oldandhappy Apr 2016 #13
+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #16
Sounds like another attack on him. The media is certianly showing their 1% owners donated to the Unicorn Apr 2016 #14
Read 17, this is hardly an attack nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #18
Because (VT-I) is the AP standard nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #17
However he's running as a Democrat. It should say D. Unicorn Apr 2016 #19
However his state does not have partisan registration nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #21
Okay. I'm from Washington State so I had no idea. I will take your word. Unicorn Apr 2016 #22
Most bloggers don't but look at NYT or WAPO, or MSNBC nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #24
Thanks. 840high Apr 2016 #23
It's not JUST Leahey Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #38
KEY WORD nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #39
It's always been clear Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #47
Whatever dude, continue to chew on that bone nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #48
Um, Bernie is running as a Democrat Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #27
It is his state registry that matters here nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #29
There is no party registration in Vermont Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #31
Why he is an I, exactly nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #33
But he has said he is a Democrat Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #34
Yes, but he is still saying he is running for the nomination nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #37
That's what he is (VT-I). Beacool Apr 2016 #26
Do you have links? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #28
IT IS AP STYLE GUIDE nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #30
Do you have links? northernsouthern Apr 2016 #35
Yup nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #40
I meant to the reports on Bernie... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #49
Because some are sticklers to AP style nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #50
Lol, I knew about the "I" northernsouthern Apr 2016 #52
It is. And I am not going to do that search nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #53
Why are you responding then? :P northernsouthern Apr 2016 #61
Look up specifically San Diego media nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #62
Fortress Hillary is pulling a "birther" moment against Bernie Sanders... No better than Trump. Kip Humphrey Apr 2016 #58
I agree on that. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #60
Because he's always been an I Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #32
Try Google ROFF Apr 2016 #41
Because they are still trying to influence voters. Because she has not won yet. bjo59 Apr 2016 #42
The memo went out. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #43
For the same reason Hillary is still "Secretary" Clinton. auntpurl Apr 2016 #44
He was elected as an independent Senator from Vermont and Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 #45
I believe he is running for senator of VT right now, as an indy. nt boston bean Apr 2016 #46
Email the news organizations to which you are referring and ask them. merrily Apr 2016 #55

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
1. Maybe because they consider the primaries over and he is listed as an Indy still for his
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

next congressional race?
Just conjecture on my part.
I know he is listed as (I) for his next race and I haven't seen the media things your OP references...

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
8. Why? He said he only ran as a D for the media and party benefits. He was correct
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:32 AM
Apr 2016

when he said Indys are ignored in the media. But I see no reason why he'd remain a D now.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
15. I guess we will see if he changes his designation for the Senate run.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:54 AM
Apr 2016
I certainly won't think any less of him if he doesn't. But i'm pretty mad at him as it is. And if he hadn't run, someone else would have anyway. No one expected this to be a cakewalk for Hillary. She certainly didn't. She has been working a serious ground game from day one.
 

insta8er

(960 posts)
25. Yes, but he was not found pure enough. But the funny thing is that the D's need
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:09 AM
Apr 2016

The I's to win the presidency, but you know since "they" are not pure enough "they" might sit this one out. Great job £hillsters!

brush

(53,787 posts)
36. Don't you have that backwards? Seems everyone but Bernie supporters in the party are not . . .
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:43 AM
Apr 2016

pure enough, not worthy to even be dems, even though they were dems long before Sanders.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
3. He's already filed the necessary paperwork ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:28 AM
Apr 2016

... to run again for his senate seat in Vermont as an (I) Independent.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
10. No one ever explained to BS ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:34 AM
Apr 2016

... that you can't suck and blow at the same time. Throughout his campaign, he has been the "political outsider" (who has never had a career outside of politics), and he's tried to woo Democrats to support him while still railing about how corrupt Democrats are.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
59. And you can't talk and listen at the same time. I get the impression ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:44 AM
Apr 2016

... that he has a difficult time listening.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
63. That became apparent ...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

... during the debates. When BS spoke, Hill watched him and listened, jotted down notes. When she spoke, Bernie spent most of his time trying to get the attention of the moderators - "Can I say something? Do I get to respond to this? Can I answer this?"

I get the distinct impression that Bernie rarely listens to anyone while they speak. He's one of those people who is too busy thinking about what he wants to say to be bothered listening to anyone else.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
54. lol,sound like a child,your not in our club,you don't think like we do,
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:36 AM
Apr 2016

and your candidate is the fair weather dem,has she ever

acted like a true democrat?

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
7. I doubt this was a decision from the campaign.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:31 AM
Apr 2016

This looks suspiciously like a very prejudiced decision on the part those trying to relabel things. We have no respect for each other anymore. This drives people away, it does not bring people together.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
11. I saw a Sanders supporter on here using it. Then saw it on CNN/MSNBC. Maybe I'm making too
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:36 AM
Apr 2016

much of it or it's just coincidence. I hope so......

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
13. OK smile dunno
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:51 AM
Apr 2016

Still think someone or some stealth group is relabeling. Sanders never backed up from the socialist democrat label. My trust level for CNN/MSNBC is mighty low. You said you saw it and I do trust that. Another supporter used it. OK I am out of the loop. I intend to become I myself after the primary. So I have no trouble with I. Just a surprise. I am really sorry about all the overt attacks recently. Was reading about the Bernie FB groups being taken down. Seems so unnecessary. Makes me sad. This actions certainly are not about unity!! or democracy. I hope some serious research is done on this election cycle and a book written.

Am watching the PBS program on national parks. Monday night at 8 pm. It is a new series. I do not know how many program but really good and worthwhile. Check it out next week!

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
14. Sounds like another attack on him. The media is certianly showing their 1% owners donated to the
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:54 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary campaign.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. Because (VT-I) is the AP standard
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:56 AM
Apr 2016

has been from the beginning.

Jesus, this ignorance is just astounding.

news organizations have used this with Bernie and any other Independent of the two major parties for like the last 50 years.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
21. However his state does not have partisan registration
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 12:59 AM
Apr 2016


We have used (VT-I) from well anytime we have reported on Sanders. It is the AP standard. Leahey, Senior Senator, uses a D, since he choses to do that, but Sanders does not. So who am I to question that from him?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. Most bloggers don't but look at NYT or WAPO, or MSNBC
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:07 AM
Apr 2016

Though NPR at times does, and at times does not, but they forget party often.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
38. It's not JUST Leahey
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:57 AM
Apr 2016
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
39. KEY WORD
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:00 AM
Apr 2016

MEMBER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, in that state it means, I know the translation is needed they are part of the PARTY MAINTAINED ROLLS

And you know what. This should be the standard across every state in the Union. The State, as in the Registrar, or the BOE or any other name you want, should have no hand in maintaining those PARTY ROLLS.

Is this now Crystal clear?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
48. Whatever dude, continue to chew on that bone
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:24 AM
Apr 2016

I wish at times he ran as an independent, which he will not. Your party needs to wake the fuck up...but then again, after the endorsement from Charles Kock, yours is a chamber of commerce right wing party. So enjoy it. You still need the despised left if only to win. These tactics will make sure more than a few will stay home in November.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
31. There is no party registration in Vermont
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:33 AM
Apr 2016

" Do I have to register as a Democrat, Republican, Independent or some other party in Vermont?"

"No. There is no party registration in Vermont. "

https://www.sec.state.vt.us/elections/frequently-asked-questions/voter-registration.aspx

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
33. Why he is an I, exactly
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:38 AM
Apr 2016

you got it. As I said, it is manual of style.

The other State Senator is registered with the PARTY. Which is the choice for D.

And for the record EVERY state should do the same, Parties should handle those party registrations.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
34. But he has said he is a Democrat
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:42 AM
Apr 2016

and he is running in the Democratic primary.

George Wallace was a Democrat, but he was listed as AIP (American Independent Party) in the '68 election.

John Anderson was a Republican, but he was listed as "Independent" in the '80 election.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
37. Yes, but he is still saying he is running for the nomination
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:50 AM
Apr 2016

but the manual is quite clear. Until he JOINS THE STATE PARTY, he he has not. (And for the record I don't blame him).

It is quirk in the damn manual of style. Don't shoot me, shoot the AP slylists. I am not seeing a great conspiracy here, because I know it is the manual and media has been referring alternatively as independent ruining for the Democratic nomination, or running for the democratic nomination.

With Clinton they have been using Secretary Clinton, (I do use the (D), or simply running for the democratic nomination the first time they come in an article.

Personally I think the AP style will have to come with a new way of doing this, becuase I doubt Sanders will be the last I to run. But they don't ask me, but will gladly take my money every year.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
28. Do you have links?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:27 AM
Apr 2016

If it is happening then it is most likely to do with the Correct the Record and the HRC camp's attempt to delegitimize him. As a Dem on the DU, I want him top stay to the end, since right now neither person has enough to win.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
35. Do you have links?
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:43 AM
Apr 2016

I was asking because there are no links. Correct the Record is just the tip of a concerted effort that has been going on since the start with the fake Bernie Bro meme. So I am just using that to refer to the Machiavellian propaganda arm of the HRC campaign. I would also be worried if they start showing him as an I more since people may use the I as a reason to kick people that support him from places that are supposed to support Democrats only. He will always be a dem in my heart.


I could only find...

democratic socialism Sen. Bernie Sanders' self-described political leaning, akin to European democratic socialism.

https://www.apstylebook.com/?do=topical
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
40. Yup
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:12 AM
Apr 2016

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, I-Conn., spoke with Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.

http://writingexplained.org/ap-style/ap-style-party-affiliation

The other way is just (I-Conn)

Both are correct, That website is not the complete guide (they want you to buy the book, duh). In San Diego most press uses it with the parenthesis, why I do, readers are used to it.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
49. I meant to the reports on Bernie...
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:26 AM
Apr 2016

The OP said Why are some people and news orgs now using a (I) after his name now and calling him an Indie?.

I could not find the source of this.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
50. Because some are sticklers to AP style
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

Some are not.

That is what I tried to answer

There are some evil things going on, but when people start seeing Ill everywhere, that is a problem as well

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
61. Why are you responding then? :P
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:48 AM
Apr 2016

This question was for the OP asking if they had proof? I did a targeted search on google, and could not find any results. It seems this could just be a lie.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
62. Look up specifically San Diego media
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:53 AM
Apr 2016

Or any tribune paper if this is widespread through tribune. Reuters as well. This would be the first line when candidates are addressed.

And I responded to the OP originally since this is well silly

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
60. I agree on that.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016

I am amazed how many of her supporters are fine with her racist attacks on Obama, but these are the same people using racism and sexism as an attack on the followers of an old jewish civil-right's activist... so I am pretty sure they are anniversiry-rights-activists (they only care about people's rights on special occasions).

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
44. For the same reason Hillary is still "Secretary" Clinton.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:36 AM
Apr 2016

Because they use their last title until/unless they get a new title (like POTUS). So Bernie is Senator Sanders (I-VT) and Hillary is Secretary Clinton.

Thus has it ever been so.

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
45. He was elected as an independent Senator from Vermont and
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:42 AM
Apr 2016

he has yet to formally inform the Senate that he is now a Democrat. He is still listed as a Democrat in the Senate website:

http://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

merrily

(45,251 posts)
55. Email the news organizations to which you are referring and ask them.
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

They may not answer truthfully, but at least they have more of a clue about why they do what they do.

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